Political Roundtable Part XVI

[Wizardspride]

I get being on a certain "team" (Rep/Dem) but if this doesn't at least make you pause for a second then I don't know what to say....

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[dckingsfan]

Charter Schools can be good but at the type DeVos pushes the new model? I'm a firm believer in a non secular public school system that gives equal opportunity to all.

Growing up in private evangelical Christian schools, Bishop saw the world in extremes, good and evil, heaven and hell. She was taught that to dance was to sin, that gay people were child molesters and that mental illness was a function of satanic influence. Teachers at her schools talked about slavery as black immigration, and instructors called environmentalists “hippie witches.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/school-voucher-evangelical-education-betsy-devos_us_5a021962e4b04e96f0c6093c

What we have now is so utterly broken - I could easily be convinced to go for a combination of vouchers, charters and public schools where there is some competition.

What is fascinating is that soooo many wanted federal involvement in education until it wasn't what they wanted

[dckingsfan]

Hi everyone, how's it going today? hey remember that time when the Roy Moore accuser had a yearbook with his signature? and anyonewith half a brain could see the "7's" didn't match??

yeah, me too. She admitted to doctoring the year book. which makes her credibility complete garbage.



http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/08/moore-accuser-admits-the-yearbook-was-doctored/?utm_medium=push&utm_source=daily_caller&utm_campaign=push

Yeah. That does bring her credibility into question but let me correct you.

She isn't THE Roy Moore accuser. She's A Roy Moore accuser.

I think there's 4-5.

And you know it is way Moore

[Wizardspride]

Hi everyone, how's it going today? hey remember that time when the Roy Moore accuser had a yearbook with his signature? and anyonewith half a brain could see the "7's" didn't match??

yeah, me too. She admitted to doctoring the year book. which makes her credibility complete garbage.



http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/08/moore-accuser-admits-the-yearbook-was-doctored/?utm_medium=push&utm_source=daily_caller&utm_campaign=push

Yeah. That does bring her credibility into question but let me correct you.

She isn't THE Roy Moore accuser. She's A Roy Moore accuser.

I think there's 4-5.

And you know it is way Moore

[cammac]

Charter Schools can be good but at the type DeVos pushes the new model? I'm a firm believer in a non secular public school system that gives equal opportunity to all.

Growing up in private evangelical Christian schools, Bishop saw the world in extremes, good and evil, heaven and hell. She was taught that to dance was to sin, that gay people were child molesters and that mental illness was a function of satanic influence. Teachers at her schools talked about slavery as black immigration, and instructors called environmentalists “hippie witches.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/school-voucher-evangelical-education-betsy-devos_us_5a021962e4b04e96f0c6093c

What we have now is so utterly broken - I could easily be convinced to go for a combination of vouchers, charters and public schools where there is some competition.

What is fascinating is that soooo many wanted federal involvement in education until it wasn't what they wanted

I'm a great believer in the Public School system and it works in many countries. But even in Ontario we have a system that has a public English & French system which I'm in favor of but also a Catholic and Jewish system that is funded by allowing both faiths to allocate the educational portion of the taxes to the system of there choice. In the area I live in there has been a growth of Christian fundamentalist Churches Schools which are private and mostly run by the Dutch Christian Reform Church.

[Zonkerbl]

Charter Schools can be good but at the type DeVos pushes the new model? I'm a firm believer in a non secular public school system that gives equal opportunity to all.

Growing up in private evangelical Christian schools, Bishop saw the world in extremes, good and evil, heaven and hell. She was taught that to dance was to sin, that gay people were child molesters and that mental illness was a function of satanic influence. Teachers at her schools talked about slavery as black immigration, and instructors called environmentalists “hippie witches.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/school-voucher-evangelical-education-betsy-devos_us_5a021962e4b04e96f0c6093c

What we have now is so utterly broken - I could easily be convinced to go for a combination of vouchers, charters and public schools where there is some competition.

What is fascinating is that soooo many wanted federal involvement in education until it wasn't what they wanted

I feel like we have a lot of private sector responsiveness built into the school system already. In the DC area, the houses in the "high quality" public school pyramids are much, much more expensive than houses in the "low quality" areas, and in fact I did the math once (between BCC and Einstein, if memory serves) and the difference in price is basically equivalent to $13-$20k/year, interestingly enough the cost of sending one to one and a half children to private school.

The high property values consequently get baked into the school's funding as well, because we finance schools through property taxes.

Teachers also aggressively seek employment in the "higher quality" school districts. So we already have market response informing the funding the school district gets and the quality of teacher talent that gets attracted to the "high quality" school.

In other words, rich people can *already* pick up and move to "high quality" school districts, and the schools have an incentive to cater to wealthy families, by providing high quality education (including hiring high quality instructors), because property values go up and they get more property taxes as a consequence.

We *already have* a "public" school system that is highly responsive to market incentives.

The only thing that is missing is a way for highly talented children of poor parents to have access to the "higher quality" school districts. But Montgomery County has that in the form of the whole magnet school system. I took advantage of it myself, sending my kids to Spanish immersion schools in elementary school and then science/math magnet schools in Middle and High School.

I'm a little confused as to what the problem is the Republicans are trying to fix. If the problem is poor neighborhoods have crap schools, which IS A RESULT OF THE CURRENT SYSTEM RESPONDING TO MARKET FORCES (right?), how is making the system EVEN MORE RESPONSIVE TO MARKET SIGNALS going to make things *better*?

[Wizardspride]

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[cammac]

Charter Schools can be good but at the type DeVos pushes the new model? I'm a firm believer in a non secular public school system that gives equal opportunity to all.



http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/school-voucher-evangelical-education-betsy-devos_us_5a021962e4b04e96f0c6093c

What we have now is so utterly broken - I could easily be convinced to go for a combination of vouchers, charters and public schools where there is some competition.

What is fascinating is that soooo many wanted federal involvement in education until it wasn't what they wanted

I feel like we have a lot of private sector responsiveness built into the school system already. In the DC area, the houses in the "high quality" public school pyramids are much, much more expensive than houses in the "low quality" areas, and in fact I did the math once (between BCC and Einstein, if memory serves) and the difference in price is basically equivalent to $13-$20k/year, interestingly enough the cost of sending one to one and a half children to private school.

The high property values consequently get baked into the school's funding as well, because we finance schools through property taxes.

Teachers also aggressively seek employment in the "higher quality" school districts. So we already have market response informing the funding the school district gets and the quality of teacher talent that gets attracted to the "high quality" school.

In other words, rich people can *already* pick up and move to "high quality" school districts, and the schools have an incentive to cater to wealthy families, by providing high quality education (including hiring high quality instructors), because property values go up and they get more property taxes as a consequence.

We *already have* a "public" school system that is highly responsive to market incentives.

The only thing that is missing is a way for highly talented children of poor parents to have access to the "higher quality" school districts. But Montgomery County has that in the form of the whole magnet school system. I took advantage of it myself, sending my kids to Spanish immersion schools in elementary school and then science/math magnet schools in Middle and High School.

I'm a little confused as to what the problem is the Republicans are trying to fix. If the problem is poor neighborhoods have crap schools, which IS A RESULT OF THE CURRENT SYSTEM RESPONDING TO MARKET FORCES (right?), how is making the system EVEN MORE RESPONSIVE TO MARKET SIGNALS going to make things *better*?

Ontario has what is called regional government in my case I live in the Niagara Region which encompasses 12 communities and my area called Niagara On The Lake is by far the most wealthy area with average property values approaching 1 million and over 10% of homes are secondary residences. But the municipal tax money is pooled in the regional government for education, policing, fire and municipal services. The quality of teachers and school funding is the same across the region and the Province also sets out maximum class sizes and teachers are paid the same.

[Wizardspride]

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[dckingsfan]

Charter Schools can be good but at the type DeVos pushes the new model? I'm a firm believer in a non secular public school system that gives equal opportunity to all.



http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/school-voucher-evangelical-education-betsy-devos_us_5a021962e4b04e96f0c6093c

What we have now is so utterly broken - I could easily be convinced to go for a combination of vouchers, charters and public schools where there is some competition.

What is fascinating is that soooo many wanted federal involvement in education until it wasn't what they wanted

I feel like we have a lot of private sector responsiveness built into the school system already. In the DC area, the houses in the "high quality" public school pyramids are much, much more expensive than houses in the "low quality" areas, and in fact I did the math once (between BCC and Einstein, if memory serves) and the difference in price is basically equivalent to $13-$20k/year, interestingly enough the cost of sending one to one and a half children to private school.

The high property values consequently get baked into the school's funding as well, because we finance schools through property taxes.

Teachers also aggressively seek employment in the "higher quality" school districts. So we already have market response informing the funding the school district gets and the quality of teacher talent that gets attracted to the "high quality" school.

In other words, rich people can *already* pick up and move to "high quality" school districts, and the schools have an incentive to cater to wealthy families, by providing high quality education (including hiring high quality instructors), because property values go up and they get more property taxes as a consequence.

We *already have* a "public" school system that is highly responsive to market incentives.

The only thing that is missing is a way for highly talented children of poor parents to have access to the "higher quality" school districts. But Montgomery County has that in the form of the whole magnet school system. I took advantage of it myself, sending my kids to Spanish immersion schools in elementary school and then science/math magnet schools in Middle and High School.

I'm a little confused as to what the problem is the Republicans are trying to fix. If the problem is poor neighborhoods have crap schools, which IS A RESULT OF THE CURRENT SYSTEM RESPONDING TO MARKET FORCES (right?), how is making the system EVEN MORE RESPONSIVE TO MARKET SIGNALS going to make things *better*?

I think Montgomery County has it right - solid public schools, solid charter schools and solid private schools. They are responding to market forces.

In lower performing school districts (where there aren't charter schools), the notion is that you would foster creation of the charters plus have have vouchers to foster completion and to respond to market forces. Opinion - I think that Devos would like vouchers for the private schools to encourage more competition.

I am not sure this is the right strategy. Arne Duncan who, it seemed to me from his actions, tried to expand charter schools and was slammed for his actions - even though they were fairly successful. Of course Arne wasn't a proponent of vouchers.

[stilldropin20]

I get being on a certain "team" (Rep/Dem) but if this doesn't at least make you pause for a second then I don't know what to say....

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why is the steele dossier, via fusion, via brittish foreign ops, via russian ops ok? why is that OK? why does Hillary come right out and say that's ok. its opposition research?

The left's fixation on this is clear. you want to nullify the election.

yet use of this dossier is ok? use of this false and fake dossier is ok? Use of this dossier to obtain a fisa warrant is ok? weaponizing the DOJ against an incoming administration is ok? lets assume corey booker runs in 2024 and trump railroads him with the fbi to help ivanka win? Is that ok?

because that is the real issue here. that is the real question.

whether wikileaks offered Don Jr (legal or illegal) dirt on hillary means nothing so long as don jr didn't engage in illegal activities.

people pitch illegal "deals" all the time. every single day. only the people that pitch those deals are engaging in criminal activity.

if these shoes were on the other feet. you guys would be in convulsions by now. i sincerely cant believe that you guys think its ok to weaponizing the entire DOJ against one candidate and in favor of another. these departments are not even suppose to have an "appearance of impropriety" as their "standard." The appearance is long gone and we are now talking about.

1. Loretta Lynch and Bill Clinton meeting on the tarmac which caused her to recuse herself from anything hillary
2. Which put Comey in charge with no acting attorney general that could actually press charges
3. which made comey come out with the crap he came out with. there was in fact an investigation but Peter Strzok buried it.
4. which stunk to high heaven by itself (email, private server, destruction of evidence, etc, etc)
5. To make things worse, if letting HRC slide was not enough, they then went after Trump.
6. The DOJ used "opposition research" that was paid for by the DNC and HRC as evidence to surveil trump campaign members
7. That opposition research, the dossier file, is almost entirely false and salacious. Yet still used to obtain fisa warrants.
8. after it was doctored up by the FBi to appear more credible. by guess who? Peter Strzok again.

All of which brings us to Flynn getting caught up lying to the FBI...which is stupid because all you have to say is i dont recall.

9. but guess who tripped up Flynn? You guess it peter strzok. apparently flynn had no idea he was "under investigation" so didn't take the questioning serious enough. which again, is stupid, because if you lie to your frickin mailman and the FBI likes you for crime they will simply threaten you with lying to a federal agent. This is there "go to." Ive known this since i was 22 years old. Which made me clinically depressed just thinking how awful the FBI can flip ones life upside down on complete bull. But that's why people like HRC get on the stand and claim I do not recall 110 times in a row. because they know the law and how it works. and why Bill Clinton once minced words when on the stand, sexual "relations," etc.

Frankly the law sucks. these technicalities in the law were "invented" to go after hardened criminals that became good sea lawyers and hired good attorneys. People like mafia gangsters. sex traffickers. etc. Not the son of an incoming president who simply took a meeting where he thinks he is promised opposition research or an email where someone presents him with illegal (stolen) material. Anyone can email anyone anything. And we all know this. clicking and opening an email doesn't make you complicit. At all. this entire thing is just some weird optics game the entire left is playing to make Donald trump lose his base. thats the entire goal of this. Make Trump look bad.

and i think the reverse is happening. I started this whole thing voting for Bernie sanders and now feel it is my duty as an american citizen to go down fighting for Donald trump.

[DCZards]

I think Montgomery County has it right - solid public schools, solid charter schools and solid private schools. They are responding to market forces.

In lower performing school districts (where there aren't charter schools), the notion is that you would foster creation of the charters plus have have vouchers to foster completion and to respond to market forces.

Opinion - I think that Devos would like vouchers for the private schools to encourage more competition.

I am not sure this is the right strategy. Arne Duncan who, it seemed to me from his actions, tried to expand charter schools and was slammed for his actions - even though they were fairly successful. Of course Arne wasn't a proponent of vouchers.

Actually, you have it backwards. There are no charter schools in Montgomery County (maybe one). It's low performing districts like Baltimore and Wash., DC. that have most of the charter schools. In fact, almost half of DC public school students attend charter schools.

I have no problem with charter schools if they are set up for the right reasons, which is to give parents more options and maybe offer speciality programs, like hospitality training or language immersion. Unfortunately, some charters have been set up by fly-by-night operators who are in it for the money rather than for the kids and their families.

One of the real fallacies is that charters do a better job of educating students than regular public schools. Yes, in some cases that's true, but in most instances charter schools are no better academically than regular public schools.

[dckingsfan]

I think Montgomery County has it right - solid public schools, solid charter schools and solid private schools. They are responding to market forces.

In lower performing school districts (where there aren't charter schools), the notion is that you would foster creation of the charters plus have have vouchers to foster completion and to respond to market forces.

Opinion - I think that Devos would like vouchers for the private schools to encourage more competition.

I am not sure this is the right strategy. Arne Duncan who, it seemed to me from his actions, tried to expand charter schools and was slammed for his actions - even though they were fairly successful. Of course Arne wasn't a proponent of vouchers.

Actually, you have it backwards. There are no charter schools in Montgomery County (maybe one). It's low performing districts like Baltimore and Wash., DC. that have most of the charter schools. In fact, almost half of DC public school students attend charter schools.

I have no problem with charter schools if they are set up for the right reasons, which is to give parents more options and maybe offer speciality programs, like hospitality training or language immersion. Unfortunately, some charters have been set up by fly-by-night operators who are in it for the money rather than for the kids and their families.

One of the real fallacies is that charters do a better job of educating students than regular public schools. Yes, in some cases that's true, but in most instances charter schools are no better academically than regular public schools.

Actually, I think there are a bunch of charter/magnet schools in Montgomery County.

Agreed, some charters are bad - they tend to go by the wayside. Parents are pretty good at figuring out which schools work and don't work for their kids.

I like choice and competition - where it has been established it has worked really well. I think you are agreeing with that - so all good.

[Wizardspride]

I want to respond but man, that's quite a bit to digest.

I'll touch on a few of these:


1.) You have repeatedly claimed the dossier has been proven false...which is incorrect. Not everything has been proven (obviously) but several things have been proven accurate. I (and others) have posted about it for weeks now. If you're interested, look through the thread.


1.) The DOJ didn't use "opposition research" to justify surveilling Trump campaign members/associates. At least not initially. I think you're confusing the unmasking of certain people with the Steele dossier. It's understandable but those are completely different.

Let's discuss the "unmasking" first. That was requested by WH National Security Advisor Susan Rice.

I'll just post an article explaining:
http://www.newsweek.com/susan-rices-explains-why-she-unmasked-trump-officials-664726
Rice met with the House intelligence committee last week. Multiple sources told CNN Wednesday that Rice testified she unmasked the names of multiple members of the Trump campaign who were picked up on intelligence intercepts of foreign sources.

Her goal at the time, she said, was to find out who was meeting with United Arab Emirates crown prince Sheikh Mohammed bin Zayed al-Nahyan in New York last December after the election. In a break from custom, the prince had not told President Barack Obama he would be visiting the U.S.

Multiple sources confirmed to the broadcaster that Zayed met with Flynn, Kushner and Bannon.

U.S., European and Arab officials also confirmed to The Washington Post in April that the trio had met with Zayed.

During the three-hour discussion, CNN’s sources said, the group discussed the Middle East, including Iran and the Israeli-Palestinian peace process.

The meeting came shortly before a secret meeting around January 11 that the UAE brokered between Erik Prince—former owner of the controversial mercenary firm Blackwater and brother of Trump’s Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos—and a Russian close to President Vladi­mir Putin.

The meeting between Prince and the Russian took place on the Seychelles islands in the Indian Ocean. U.S., European and Arab officials told The Washington Post it was intended to set up back-channel communications between then President-elect Donald Trump and the Kremlin.

During Rice’s testimony last week, Representative Tom Rooney, the Republican from Florida and a member of the House intelligence committee, told CNN Wednesday, “I didn't hear anything to believe that she did anything illegal.”

South Carolina Republican Trey Gowdy, another committee member, told the Daily Caller “nothing that came up” during Rice’s interview “led me to conclude” she improperly unmasked the Trump officials.






Now let's talk about the Steele dossier/surveillance: Our intelligence agencies didn't just base their concerns off of the dossier. They were also warned by foreign intelligence agencies. I'm at work right now but you can find that info online. If you can't I'll post it for you when I get home.

I'll touch on the difference between Christopher Steele and wikileaks/assange etc. (Sorry for not tackling these in order)

Opposition research is SOP. We both know that. I look for dirt on you, you look for some on me. That's how the game is played.

I think you're fixated on the fact that Steele's sources (who he trusted from past experience) were Russian....just like Trump's "alledged" collusion with Russians.

There's a big difference: Steele was given info from a source(s) who happened to be Russian.

Trump alledgedly colluded with the Russian government itself using stolen info (emails etc) in an attempt to influence an election.

Even if you think it's all BS I don't see how you can remotely equate the two things.

I'll touch on some more of your points later.


PS: Seriously, check this thread out. A number of things in the dossier have been proven.

[Pointgod]

Hi everyone, how's it going today? hey remember that time when the Roy Moore accuser had a yearbook with his signature? and anyonewith half a brain could see the "7's" didn't match??

yeah, me too. She admitted to doctoring the year book. which makes her credibility complete garbage.



http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/08/moore-accuser-admits-the-yearbook-was-doctored/?utm_medium=push&utm_source=daily_caller&utm_campaign=push

Yeah. That does bring her credibility into question but let me correct you.

She isn't THE Roy Moore accuser. She's A Roy Moore accuser.

I think there's 4-5.

Come on Wizardspride I thought you were better than to fall for SD20's right wing dribble. The accuser did not admit to doctoring the message. She mentioned that she added a note to the bottom of the message.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/08/roy-moore-evidence-sexual-misconduct-beverly-nelson

This does not discredit her claim at all considering that another accuser has evidence from a hand written note Moore gave her, plus multiple people collaborating the account of his victims decades ago.

This is just a right wing smear job by the piece of trash right wing media like Breitbart and Daily caller. These people are literally defending a pedophile. They're not interested in the truth only narratives that fit their agendas again TO ELECT A PEDOPHILE. If they were interested in the truth they'd write about all the lies good ole Christian Roy Moore has continuously committed.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/12/roy_moore_s_story_is_unraveling.html

There's only one party that's been caught making false allegations and guess who's side she was on? You wonder why SD20 wouldn't ever post this? It's because he's a right wing clown that peddles fake news.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fake-roy-moore-accuser-washington-post-sting-operation/

Don't fall for SD20's right wing bull. His demented mind is supporting a pedophile.

[Wizardspride]

Hi everyone, how's it going today? hey remember that time when the Roy Moore accuser had a yearbook with his signature? and anyonewith half a brain could see the "7's" didn't match??

yeah, me too. She admitted to doctoring the year book. which makes her credibility complete garbage.



http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/08/moore-accuser-admits-the-yearbook-was-doctored/?utm_medium=push&utm_source=daily_caller&utm_campaign=push

Yeah. That does bring her credibility into question but let me correct you.

She isn't THE Roy Moore accuser. She's A Roy Moore accuser.

I think there's 4-5.

Come on Wizardspride I thought you were better than to fall for SD20's right wing dribble. The accuser did not admit to doctoring the message. She mentioned that she added a note to the bottom of the message.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/08/roy-moore-evidence-sexual-misconduct-beverly-nelson

This does not discredit her claim at all considering that another accuser has evidence from a hand written note Moore gave her, plus multiple people collaborating the account of his victims decades ago.

This is just a right wing smear job by the piece of trash right wing media like Breitbart and Daily caller. These people are literally defending a pedophile. They're not interested in the truth only narratives that fit their agendas again TO ELECT A PEDOPHILE. If they were interested in the truth they'd write about all the lies good ole Christian Roy Moore has continuously committed.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/12/roy_moore_s_story_is_unraveling.html

There's only one party that's been caught making false allegations and guess who's side she was on? You wonder why SD20 wouldn't ever post this? It's because he's a right wing clown that peddles fake news.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fake-roy-moore-accuser-washington-post-sting-operation/

Don't fall for SD20's right wing bull. His demented mind is supporting a pedophile.

Yeah. He got me.

I actually saw the truth about an hour later on my twitter feed.

[dckingsfan]

Hi everyone, how's it going today? hey remember that time when the Roy Moore accuser had a yearbook with his signature? and anyonewith half a brain could see the "7's" didn't match??

yeah, me too. She admitted to doctoring the year book. which makes her credibility complete garbage.



http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/08/moore-accuser-admits-the-yearbook-was-doctored/?utm_medium=push&utm_source=daily_caller&utm_campaign=push

Yeah. That does bring her credibility into question but let me correct you.

She isn't THE Roy Moore accuser. She's A Roy Moore accuser.

I think there's 4-5.

Come on Wizardspride I thought you were better than to fall for SD20's right wing dribble. The accuser did not admit to doctoring the message. She mentioned that she added a note to the bottom of the message.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/08/roy-moore-evidence-sexual-misconduct-beverly-nelson

This does not discredit her claim at all considering that another accuser has evidence from a hand written note Moore gave her, plus multiple people collaborating the account of his victims decades ago.

This is just a right wing smear job by the piece of trash right wing media like Breitbart and Daily caller. These people are literally defending a pedophile. They're not interested in the truth only narratives that fit their agendas again TO ELECT A PEDOPHILE. If they were interested in the truth they'd write about all the lies good ole Christian Roy Moore has continuously committed.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/12/roy_moore_s_story_is_unraveling.html

There's only one party that's been caught making false allegations and guess who's side she was on? You wonder why SD20 wouldn't ever post this? It's because he's a right wing clown that peddles fake news.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fake-roy-moore-accuser-washington-post-sting-operation/

Don't fall for SD20's right wing bull. His demented mind is supporting a pedophile.

This - and if he ever does make it in... I hope the Rs would call for his immediate resignation.

[JWizmentality]

I don't know why you people continue to respond to him. It's not that hard to ignore. He's just spam at this point.

[dckingsfan]

I don't know why you people continue to respond to him. It's not that hard to ignore. He's just spam at this point.

It is helpful to know what Trump supporters are thinking and their sources of information, no?

[closg00]

I don't know why you people continue to respond to him. It's not that hard to ignore. He's just spam at this point.

It is helpful to know what Trump supporters are thinking and their sources of information, no?

Kinda agree, to hear the views of one of Trumps people who would support him even if he "shot someone on 5th Ave" is insightful.