ImageImageImageImageImage

Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII

Moderators: LyricalRico, nate33, montestewart

payitforward
RealGM
Posts: 24,835
And1: 9,221
Joined: May 02, 2012
Location: On the Atlantic

Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#1161 » by payitforward » Thu Feb 6, 2020 1:35 am

Ruzious wrote:
Illmatic12 wrote:
jangles86 wrote:What?

When has there been questions about Ben Simmons work ethic and effort? Simmons is probably one of the top 3 defenders in the nba and is a game changer on that end. In fact, his effort defensively is actually what makes Philly a decent team. I would take that every day over Beals poor body language and sulking.

The same questions that have existed since he was a draft prospect? His own teammates in Australia said he was a douchebag this isn’t new
5. The concerns about Simmons' character didn't magically appear the moment he arrived on campus in Baton Rouge. Those sentiments also have been expressed by members of the Australian national team who have spent time with him at the junior and senior levels. Australian players and coaches who have been around him don't speak about him in flattering terms, calling him “the Yank” to highlight how different he is compared with most of the players from that country, and perhaps highlight how much moving to the United States at a young age and immersing himself in the AAU world has shaped him. Those who know him best say he needs things to revolve around him on and off the court and that he's often been close-minded to coaching or instruction. Can all this be blamed on LSU? Check out the “mentality” section of Simmons' “weaknesses” breakdown in a video Mike Schmitz created prior to this season. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Ben-Simmons-61928/ ©DraftExpress

My guy, Simmons said himself that he struggled with staying in love with the game of basketball..why is a 23 year old already saying this

https://www.slamonline.com/nba/ben-simmons-this-summer-i-fell-in-love-with-the-game-again/

So what are you telling me right now.. you trust him to be the leader/franchise player of a successful rebuild on a team he doesn’t want to play for ? Lol. Enough of this

The article you linked was very positive about him - with him saying he fell in love with basketball. He matured in his early 20's - how shocking. He's probably going to make the first team All-Defensive team. How could he do that with a bad attitude?

Right.... This guy with his "terrible attitude" is one of the very top players in the NBA.

I love Brad Beal, but he's not in the same class with Ben Simmons. Not remotely. John Wall has been (& hopefully will be again) an outstanding NBA player, but he's not in the same class with Ben Simmons either. Not remotely in his case either.

You know who we can say with confidence is a better basketball player than Ben Simmons? It's a short list: Giannis, LeBron, Jimmy Butler, & maybe Luka Doncic. That's about it.

Should we trade Brad Beal for Ben Simmon if such a deal is available? Of course!
User avatar
gambitx777
RealGM
Posts: 10,564
And1: 1,991
Joined: Dec 18, 2012

Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#1162 » by gambitx777 » Thu Feb 6, 2020 1:59 am

Well Iggy is as a defender what Davis is as a shooter. Really good. So yes that definitely might be the tea leaves on that one. But I doubt there isn't an option on it iggys

Sent from my SM-G965U1 using RealGM mobile app
User avatar
SUPERBALLMAN
Lead Assistant
Posts: 4,672
And1: 1,349
Joined: Aug 08, 2006
     

Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#1163 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Thu Feb 6, 2020 2:15 am

What do you all think about Myles Turner ? Supposedly Pacers are looking for offers...

Age 23 very good defensively, rim protector, can shoot the 3, and signed to 2023.

So, I came up with this...

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7285061

Bryant, Wagner, TBJ, McRae

So the deal works as far as the money... We are giving up alot, but I figure Bryant/Wagner are replaced with Turner, and TBJ is the real asset lost. But when you view his upside as a 6th man type, and consider we have Bonga, I think in a deal like this he is expendable, while having value to get the deal done. McRae is a throw in to help their bench this year and in the playoffs, they are 29th in three-pointers made per game this season.

So I'm thinking this package has enough young talent to get it done, while keeping our 1st round pick.

Would give us a lineup next season...

Turner, Hachimura/Bertans, Bonga, Beal, Wall


https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/wizards/nba-trade-deadline-myles-turner-or-john-collins-would-be-ideal-fits-wizards
"I love it when a plan comes together" - Colonel John "Hannibal" Smith
User avatar
SUPERBALLMAN
Lead Assistant
Posts: 4,672
And1: 1,349
Joined: Aug 08, 2006
     

Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#1164 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Thu Feb 6, 2020 2:29 am

The other option is maybe something like Mahinmi, TBJ, 1st round pick ?

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7285129


Then maybe we make another deal and trade Bryant elsewhere (Houston?)


https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7285129
"I love it when a plan comes together" - Colonel John "Hannibal" Smith
User avatar
gambitx777
RealGM
Posts: 10,564
And1: 1,991
Joined: Dec 18, 2012

Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#1165 » by gambitx777 » Thu Feb 6, 2020 2:47 am

I wouldn't get up TBJ for turner. Turner isn't a superstar and tbj has been far too good .

Sent from my SM-G965U1 using RealGM mobile app
DCZards
RealGM
Posts: 11,161
And1: 5,008
Joined: Jul 16, 2005
Location: The Streets of DC
     

Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#1166 » by DCZards » Thu Feb 6, 2020 2:48 am

payitforward wrote:You know who we can say with confidence is a better basketball player than Ben Simmons? It's a short list: Giannis, LeBron, Jimmy Butler, & maybe Luka Doncic. That's about it.

Should we trade Brad Beal for Ben Simmon if such a deal is available? Of course!

I'm sure we have different ranking systems :D ...but here's some players I'd probably take over Simmons (other than those you mentioned): AD, Steph, Jokic, Lillard, Harden...and probably Paul George, Kyrie and Siakim.

Simmons is a great two-way player, but it's been clear the last two seasons that his offensive game doesn't translate well to the playoffs...and probably won't until he becomes a better shooter.
User avatar
gambitx777
RealGM
Posts: 10,564
And1: 1,991
Joined: Dec 18, 2012

Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#1167 » by gambitx777 » Thu Feb 6, 2020 3:07 am

I wouldn't get up TBJ for turner. Turner isn't a superstar and tbj has been far too good . Bryant and Ian and a pick would be fair.

Sent from my SM-G965U1 using RealGM mobile app
WallToWall
Veteran
Posts: 2,880
And1: 1,068
Joined: May 20, 2010
         

Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#1168 » by WallToWall » Thu Feb 6, 2020 3:46 am

So all those crazy 4 team trade that people propose once in a while....I used to laugh at them because, well, they were laughable as in not a snowballs chance in hell of happening... then we get an actual 4 team trade. Now, I cant laugh at those proposals anymore.
I abhor Silver
User avatar
gambitx777
RealGM
Posts: 10,564
And1: 1,991
Joined: Dec 18, 2012

Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#1169 » by gambitx777 » Thu Feb 6, 2020 5:13 am

One big thing is that a lot of teams making trades we're teams who were gonna have big cap space. Atlanta for one. This might mean we won't have much comp for bertains after all

Sent from my SM-G965U1 using RealGM mobile app
User avatar
gambitx777
RealGM
Posts: 10,564
And1: 1,991
Joined: Dec 18, 2012

Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#1170 » by gambitx777 » Thu Feb 6, 2020 5:41 am

Read on Twitter
?s=19

Bummer I was hoping we could trade IT and McRae to them

Sent from my SM-G965U1 using RealGM mobile app
Ruzious
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 47,909
And1: 11,582
Joined: Jul 17, 2001
       

Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#1171 » by Ruzious » Thu Feb 6, 2020 6:57 am

DCZards wrote:
payitforward wrote:You know who we can say with confidence is a better basketball player than Ben Simmons? It's a short list: Giannis, LeBron, Jimmy Butler, & maybe Luka Doncic. That's about it.

Should we trade Brad Beal for Ben Simmon if such a deal is available? Of course!

I'm sure we have different ranking systems :D ...but here's some players I'd probably take over Simmons (other than those you mentioned): AD, Steph, Jokic, Lillard, Harden...and probably Paul George, Kyrie and Siakim.

Simmons is a great two-way player, but it's been clear the last two seasons that his offensive game doesn't translate well to the playoffs...and probably won't until he becomes a better shooter.

No that hasn't been clear at all - especially since he was 22 last season, and he made 62% of his FG's as his team won the 1st round in 5 and then barely lost in 7 to the eventual NBA champions.
"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." - Douglas Adams
User avatar
SUPERBALLMAN
Lead Assistant
Posts: 4,672
And1: 1,349
Joined: Aug 08, 2006
     

Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#1172 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Thu Feb 6, 2020 9:07 am

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7285193


What would you think about this?

Bryant, TBJ, McRae, IT to Indy for Myles Turner ?



Pacers reportedly are looking to deal Turner.

Bryant gives them a Turner replacement (and from Indianapolis) they can sell to fans. TBJ is the main get for Indy a promising young wing. McRae and IT give them 3pt shooting off the bench which they need.

Turner would instantly improve Wizards D.

20/21

Turner, Wagner, AP
Hachimura, Bertans
Bonga, Admiral
Beal, Matthews
Wall, Ish

Plus their 2 draft picks & rights to Sanon to build on.
"I love it when a plan comes together" - Colonel John "Hannibal" Smith
queridiculo
RealGM
Posts: 17,937
And1: 9,319
Joined: Mar 29, 2005
Location: So long Wizturdz.
   

Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#1173 » by queridiculo » Thu Feb 6, 2020 11:12 am

There's more to defense than blocking shots, Myles Turner ain't it.

He's below average on ball, in space, and just doesn't rebound.

I'd hate to give up assets of consequence for a guy that's not even a standout in areas where this team definitely needs help.
TheBabyMaker
Starter
Posts: 2,130
And1: 852
Joined: Apr 01, 2009
Location: Truth or Consequences, NM
     

Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#1174 » by TheBabyMaker » Thu Feb 6, 2020 12:07 pm

gambitx777 wrote:I wouldn't get up TBJ for turner. Turner isn't a superstar and tbj has been far too good . Bryant and Ian and a pick would be fair.

Sent from my SM-G965U1 using RealGM mobile app

Excuse me but What?
User avatar
long suffrin' boulez fan
General Manager
Posts: 7,886
And1: 3,659
Joined: Nov 18, 2005
Location: Just above Ted's double bottom line
       

Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#1175 » by long suffrin' boulez fan » Thu Feb 6, 2020 1:22 pm

Sixers looking to clear roster spots to accommodate Burks, Robinson.

Anyone we can poach from them in an asymmetrical trade?
In Rizzo we trust
User avatar
long suffrin' boulez fan
General Manager
Posts: 7,886
And1: 3,659
Joined: Nov 18, 2005
Location: Just above Ted's double bottom line
       

Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#1176 » by long suffrin' boulez fan » Thu Feb 6, 2020 1:27 pm

Trade checker okayed:

IT for Zhaire and O’Quinn
In Rizzo we trust
pcbothwel
Head Coach
Posts: 6,244
And1: 2,802
Joined: Jun 12, 2010
     

Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#1177 » by pcbothwel » Thu Feb 6, 2020 1:39 pm

long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:Sixers looking to clear roster spots to accommodate Burks, Robinson.

Anyone we can poach from them in an asymmetrical trade?


Milton, Bolden, and Zhaire Smith are all probably available.
adding Milton and cutting IT would be a great get.
payitforward
RealGM
Posts: 24,835
And1: 9,221
Joined: May 02, 2012
Location: On the Atlantic

Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#1178 » by payitforward » Thu Feb 6, 2020 1:49 pm

SUPERBALLMAN wrote:What do you all think about Myles Turner ? Supposedly Pacers are looking for offers...

Age 23 very good defensively, rim protector, can shoot the 3, and signed to 2023.

So, I came up with this...

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7285061

Bryant, Wagner, TBJ, McRae

...

Good God!! That's horrible.

Just for starters, I wouldn't trade TBJ straight up for Myles Turner. Honestly, I wouldn't trade Bryant straight up for him!

Before you raise your eyebrows, have you actually looked at the numbers Myles Turner puts up? Above all, have you noticed that he's dropped through a hole this season? How much do you want to play a Center who gets 8.33 rebounds per 40 minutes?
payitforward
RealGM
Posts: 24,835
And1: 9,221
Joined: May 02, 2012
Location: On the Atlantic

Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#1179 » by payitforward » Thu Feb 6, 2020 1:51 pm

SUPERBALLMAN wrote:The other option is maybe something like Mahinmi, TBJ, 1st round pick ?

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7285129


Then maybe we make another deal and trade Bryant elsewhere (Houston?)


https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7285129

Wow! I don't get it. How bad do you want the Wizards to be & for how long?
trast66
Bench Warmer
Posts: 1,346
And1: 726
Joined: Oct 20, 2017
 

Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#1180 » by trast66 » Thu Feb 6, 2020 1:56 pm

Ruzious wrote:
DCZards wrote:
payitforward wrote:You know who we can say with confidence is a better basketball player than Ben Simmons? It's a short list: Giannis, LeBron, Jimmy Butler, & maybe Luka Doncic. That's about it.

Should we trade Brad Beal for Ben Simmon if such a deal is available? Of course!

I'm sure we have different ranking systems :D ...but here's some players I'd probably take over Simmons (other than those you mentioned): AD, Steph, Jokic, Lillard, Harden...and probably Paul George, Kyrie and Siakim.

Simmons is a great two-way player, but it's been clear the last two seasons that his offensive game doesn't translate well to the playoffs...and probably won't until he becomes a better shooter.

No that hasn't been clear at all - especially since he was 22 last season, and he made 62% of his FG's as his team won the 1st round in 5 and then barely lost in 7 to the eventual NBA champions.


I don't see Kawhi Leonard in this list of players better than Ben Simmons?

Return to Washington Wizards