2011 DRAFT blather goes here. Part 3...

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

#6

1. Kanter 2. Walker 3. Biyombo 4. Singleton 5. Faried

#18

1. Singleton 2. Faried. 3. Brooks 4. Motiejunas 5. Hamilton

#34

1. Brooks 2. Leslie 3. Bertans 4. Harper 5. Thompkins

No doubt. Kanter, Singleton, Brooks would be the perfect draft... It would jumpstart the rebuild. Heck, I'd bet dollars to donuts that would be a playoff team in 2013. Being the Wiz, however, (cough, cough Kenny Green, cough, cough Roy Hibbert, cough, cough, Dajuan Blair), I foresee Kanter falling to the... Raptors, us picking Tyler Honeycutt over Singleton, and Ernie passing on Brooks to sell our 2nd.

[dangermouse]

where ngcom ecoring come from in the front court should we get faried...?

With Faried he ghiji com the fallball bounces for the umtemo runaway jot. For any jot based team you need have the player who ghiji at top jumparound for defense when the opponent is out of oosition and your opportunity for the runaway specialmakers go on the go go for make stuff happen. At root, you can uncover maybe an added 5-8 ecores a game that way. Consider McGee who will not put in the musclegrabby nor Blatche when ecared of opponent bugnasties. Faried not have that problem. If either both want to play a midrange timid jumpehooting game or driving game to draw their bigfiggers away from the internal, then at the least we have a smalldog with powerful grabbies doing the dog digging. The lanes are needed for the alleys to oops anyway. Play him at ehall forward at times if you have a bugman who can hit that, or drubble fastpast their nonstopper.

But, we do need added ehotmakers from the peremtor who can catch the passback and ehoot from lng range. That's no question.

HOF

[closg00]

Up-coming Wiz workouts:

Randy Culpepper - June 1st
Julyan Stone - June 2nd
Mike Davis - June 2nd
Delroy James - June 6
Kevin Anderson - June 20

So-far, we've got Summer League guys coming-in for workouts. Most-likely, Ernie has already decided our picks based-upon the groups workouts.

[hands11]

Enes
Singleton
Harper

I would be happy with that.

Brooks sounded great in his interview. If he is a Nick type and they don't sign Nick, he would be the an interesting choice. Nick without the goofiness. Very interesting.

[hands11]

Hmm

Jeremy Tyler Mix - #1 Player of Class of 2010

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaJcyVNju4k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdc9FLt1Ovc

Nice Draft X interview.

Watching these videos I saw a player he reminded me of. Who do you think ?


http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jeremy-Tyler-1327/

Maybe not the right player for this team this year but I will be keeping an eye on him.

[verbal8]

Detroit would have to be REALLY desperate to dump Rip on order to give up a lotto pick for pure cap space. For Cleveland, they could really improve after this deal, especially of Williams can be effective at SF.

If this deal goes down and Utah goes for a PG, we could see Kanter fall right to us at #6.

1. Irving
2. Williams
3. Knight
4. Valanciunas
5. Walker
6. Kanter

I think Hamilton is a distraction to a team trying to develop young talent in a lot of ways. DraftExpress has them taking Vesley at 8, which seems redundant with Daye.

If they dump Hamilton, and they can get rid of Gordon(amnesty or trade), they clear out almost all their long term salary. The Pistons have young talent(Monroe, Stuckey, Jerebko and Daye) that is likely better than anything in the middle of the lotto of this draft.

[verbal8]

pcbothwell, yeah there is alot to like about Harris at 18 where DX has us taking him. I hear him compared to Shane Battier. Assuming Singleton, Markieff, Faried, Leonard are all off the table I'm happy with Harris. Has good skill level & fundamentals, works hard, willing defender.

I'd add Klay Thompson and Jordan Hamilton to that list as well.

If one of those guys doesn't slip, I think Harris would be a good pick. If it costs the 2nd round pick, I would move up to get Faried. However if the cost to move up is future picks(or really long contracts), I would be content with Harris. If Kanter falls to the Wizards at 6, it will be a good draft unless the 18th and 34th picks are completely botched.

[WizarDynasty]

PUt me on the tyler bandwagon. On draft day, if we don't get Kanter, I have a strong feeling that Tyler will be the number six pick. Tyler is better than Jonas, Vesely, Leonard, Seraphin, Biyombo. He has a higher ceiling than even Kanter. Great agility scores, great standing reach, unbelievable vertical and the only problem with him was his maturity and being humbled in the international play. Having a rotation of mcGee, blatche, and Tyler has your young core for the next ten years. That's just too much for even Miami Heat to try to contend with.

I don't see how Ernie can pass on Tyler at pick number six and expect to keep his job. Forget what all the experts are saying, this guy was number one recruit and a month before the draft we see that he has phyiscal tools that would make him a top 3 pick if he were coming raw out of highschool.

Ernie's going o grab him and then pick up whichever 3 and D small forward slips to number 18. We need a strong coordinated bigman with toughness to him to go along with our young core.

There is no way you pass up on a bigman with two way potential especially when spent 3 million last year on Seraphin. Tyler blows seraphin out of the water.
Tyler will be our six pick and should take all of serpahin's minutes at the center spot. With Tyler, we have an unstoppable bigman rotation once he learns the offense. He is a perfect fit for our system and will cause catastrophic damage to the lineups of the southeaster conference.
There are absolutely no teams in the southeastern conference with a true athletic center except orlando and D. howard is probably gone. A Tyler Blatche McGee front court is just devastating for the next ten years.
We all thought Cousins was a great running mate with Wall and proposed trades all year of how to get Cousins. Guess what folks, we literally have an even more athletic version of him that the sports writers and NCAA want to hate because he decided to make money for himself instead of free ad dollars for the NCAA. We are sitting in the perfect spot to secure our championship bigman rotation at 6. Picking at 6 is a crap shoot in most drafts but anyone can see that Tyler has way more potential than unathletic Cousin with a 27 inch max vertical 3.55 full court sprint. He beats Derrick FAvors who was drafted last year with an agility score of 11.33 while favors scored a 11.74 Tyler is an even better man to man defender than McGee in terms of his agility and strength. Any bigman with a 7'5 wingspan, nearly a 11 second agility score, a max vertical of 33 inches and this team was giving Seraphin, Armstrong, and even Yi minutes as center will become astronomically better with Tyler (after he has learned Flips playbook) has your first big coming off the bench.
Tyler at 6 is a no brainer but of course the so called experts don't want to see the lowly wizards as a dynasty so they try to write him off as a headcase so that their favorite contender is using him as the factor for their next championship run. I have been a huge critic of Grunfeld but I will put my 8 years of screaming at EG and my reputation on the line. Tyler is the pick at 6, all the GM's playing poker are begging that our GM is using the these drafts sites as the basis for evaluating talent.
the only problem is see with tyler is that he has somewhat small hands but he is far from Kwame Brown because he has 7'5 wingspan, actually has a tough persona...not a wimpy persona like the bigs we have on our roster. He actually has solid center base Kwame was a skinny 240 kid who played as a sg most of his life, didn't like contact. This kid Tyler has been playing in the post almost all of his life.
MOre importantly, his basketball IQ is light years beyond what Kwame's was and anyone can see that from the interview.
We will not get Tyler at pick 18 and if this guy was coming out of college as a freshman with these measurable he would be in running for number one overall pick.. i don't even see a bigman any where close to his potential in next years draft. EG and TEd Leonsis, this is our guy. We are guaranteed to get this guy if Kanter is gone.

[closg00]

Wiz D - I've been thinking the same thing about Tyler recently based-upon the workout reports. Had Tyler entered the draft as a college Soph (as he should have), would he not be talked about as a top-10 pick? I think-so. I have not seen him play, but the reports coming-out of the combines have been good, we do indeed have an opportunity for a legit heist @ pick 6....and no, I don't think he'll be there to be picked at 18 or 34.

[Ruzious]

Adding Tyler with the 6th pick to Blatche and McGee would make the Wiz the laughing stock of the draft. Tyler may turn out to be great, but you just can't add another knucklehead to our collection of bigs.

[REDardWIZskin]

I think Tyler lasts until 18 but I would only get him if we get a SF earlier and Faried is gone. The guy has Shawn Kemp type of athleticism IMO and great size. I also read that being overseas has helped him to mature a lot and he was only a kid when he went through most of his troubles. A lot of growing can take place between age 17 ans 21. Cousins had character concerns last year that were blown out of proportion, I met him about two weeks before that draft last yr and he was an ok guy to me.
I really wish there was a way to get an additional pick between 14- 25 or so. That may be the part of the draft that has the most talent. No superstars but steady role players that we need for our rebuild.

[REDardWIZskin]

Lets just find out who San Antonio has on their board and draft their players

[tontoz]

If the Cavs aren't able to trade up from 4 and they take Irving at 1 then they might not like who is available at 4.

They might take Williams first and then go for a pg at 4. If they do that then the Jazz may be tempted to take Irving at 3 instead of Kanter.

[REDardWIZskin]

I think Minny would take Irving at 2 if that happened and figure out the Rubio situation later

[WizarDynasty]

there is no way Tyler last past detroit's pick at 8. The reason Sac doesn't take him is because they just got Cousin Last year and the two are very similar players with Tyler being the more athletic and higher bball iq. Tyler is definitely a lotto pick and will be better than Enes Kanter. Kanter has already hit his max potential and he doesn't have the shot blocking that Tyler has. Tyler is 100 times better than Seraphin.
I like Faried but he has nothing on Tyler offensively in the post.
I would take Faried with 18 pick if he is still there but he has a very low basketball iq. He can definitely take booker's minutes because booker has absolutely no handle and doesn't have the energy and motor that faried has. Both of them have relatively little offense. Booker might be able to one day knock down the open jump shot with consistently but booker has a small motor, his don't even come close to Blatche's handles and he has no ability to draw fouls.
Seraphin is a decent body to throw out there and hits the occasional jump hook but he doesn't have the physical explosiveness to make up for his low basketball iq while faried does and seraphin doesn't seem to have alot of size when getting off his shot more of a banger.
We need Seraphin's toughness but he won't be a useful asset until he develops elite basketball iq and he just doesn't seem like a student of the game and showing a great communication skills and leadership with his team mates.
Tyler already has the communication skills to absorb high level basketball concepts. and watching his interviews its clear as day that he possess a high vocabulary and is sharp mentally. that combined with his size and atheticism he has played the post his entire life and has potential for two way ability this makes him our sure fire pick at six.
He is way better than Vesely, Valuncias, Leonard--no Worthy was legit 6'10 and taller than Magic and way more explosive and coordinated inside the paint, Biyombo, Singleton. Our 18 pick should be used for a small forward 3 and D but Tyler's mental potential for quickly absorbing nba concepts, along with his humbling for international play is why he is our pick..BPA and also feels a huge need that we have been searching for. We picked Seraphin Last year, we gave Yi a ton of minutes last year, we had booker and Hamady playing center last year. Tyler feels a huge need and he fits extremely well with our young core greatly increasing our chances at becoming a dynasty.
He has the body to push other centers around, he has shot blocking ability, and he enjoys playing in the post.
Now the question is, who will be available to us at 18. I honestly would not even risk trying to trade down from our number six pick, to see if other teams think he is knuckle head. I see Tyler and John Wall fitting very nicely since John Wall thrive with D. Cousins the same guy who thought might have been a better fit for the wizards.

[BruceO]

I suspsect the order nbadraft net has of williams, irving, kanter and knight will hold the most true. First thing is this. utah had attended a private workout by kanter way before they knew their draft position. He is just going to fall into their lap. I also had said weeks ago that these teams with multiple picks will affect draft position before i knew cleveland would get one and four. because their needs will really determine lotto order. I also said that brandon Knight is going to be the one to throw a wrnech into peoples plans because he will make it possible to pass on kyrie.

but hey it's going to be an interesting draft just because things can go so many ways. It's not my decision who we pick in the end so i'm glad all i have to do at this point is tune in for the show. But considering Ernies picks in the past he's not going to screw the pooch.

[closg00]

there is no way Tyler last past detroit's pick at 8. The reason Sac doesn't take him is because they just got Cousin Last year and the two are very similar players with Tyler being the more athletic and higher bball iq. Tyler is definitely a lotto pick and will be better than Enes Kanter. Kanter has already hit his max potential and he doesn't have the shot blocking that Tyler has. Tyler is 100 times better than Seraphin. I like Faried but he has nothing on Tyler offensively in the post.
I would take Faried with 18 pick if he is still there but he has a very low basketball iq. He can definitely take booker's minutes because booker has absolutely no handle and doesn't have the energy and motor that faried has. Both of them have relatively little offense. Booker might be able to one day knock down the open jump shot with consistently but booker has a small motor, his don't even come close to Blatche's handles and he has no ability to draw fouls.
Seraphin is a decent body to throw out there and hits the occasional jump hook but he doesn't have the physical explosiveness to make up for his low basketball iq while faried does and seraphin doesn't seem to have alot of size when getting off his shot more of a banger.
We need Seraphin's toughness but he won't be a useful asset until he develops elite basketball iq and he just doesn't seem like a student of the game and showing a great communication skills and leadership with his team mates.
Tyler already has the communication skills to absorb high level basketball concepts. and watching his interviews its clear as day that he possess a high vocabulary and is sharp mentally. that combined with his size and atheticism he has played the post his entire life and has potential for two way ability this makes him our sure fire pick at six.
He is way better than Vesely, Valuncias, Leonard--no Worthy was legit 6'10 and taller than Magic and way more explosive and coordinated inside the paint, Biyombo, Singleton. Our 18 pick should be used for a small forward 3 and D but Tyler's mental potential for quickly absorbing nba concepts, along with his humbling for international play is why he is our pick..BPA and also feels a huge need that we have been searching for. We picked Seraphin Last year, we gave Yi a ton of minutes last year, we had booker and Hamady playing center last year. Tyler feels a huge need and he fits extremely well with our young core greatly increasing our chances at becoming a dynasty.
He has the body to push other centers around, he has shot blocking ability, and he enjoys playing in the post.
Now the question is, who will be available to us at 18. I honestly would not even risk trying to trade down from our number six pick, to see if other teams think he is knuckle head. I see Tyler and John Wall fitting very nicely since John Wall thrive with D. Cousins the same guy who thought might have been a better fit for the wizards.

What is our center depth? JaVale, Seraphin and Hamady, THAT is a laughing-stock and we are not going to go-after a legit center via FA either. Let Hamady walk & draft Tyler, AT-LEAST we'll have a back-up that can actully play basketball and on day-1 be 10-times better than Seraphin. Pick up a wing at 18 and perhaps another shooter at 34. Playoffs baby

[Ruzious]

Looking at this video for Tyler http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9ULldu9 ... r_embedded I was impressed by how much bigger Nikola Vucevic looks vs Tyler and some of the other bigs in the draft. Even though Tyler measured at 2 lbs heavier than Nik, Nik looks significantly taller and stronger. Then again, Tyler is younger, and maybe in a couple years he'll look better. Tyler looks slim, but his body fat % is awfully high.

Some of you guys are getting all excited about Tyler, but I'd be surprised if he makes any team's rotation as a rookie. If I was to compare him to anyone at his age, it'd be Blatche. He speaks better than Blatche and says a lot of the right things, but I've seen a lot of guys who talk the talk but don't walk the walk.

[closg00]

Looking at this video for Tyler http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9ULldu9 ... r_embedded I was impressed by how much bigger Nikola Vucevic looks vs Tyler and some of the other bigs in the draft. Even though Tyler measured at 2 lbs heavier than Nik, Nik looks significantly taller and stronger. Then again, Tyler is younger, and maybe in a couple years he'll look better. Tyler looks slim, but his body fat % is awfully high.

Some of you guys are getting all excited about Tyler, but I'd be surprised if he makes any team's rotation as a rookie. If I was to compare him to anyone at his age, it'd be Blatche. He speaks better than Blatche and says a lot of the right things, but I've seen a lot of guys who talk the talk but don't walk the walk.

Nikola Vucevic is someone that I would seriously consider at 18. With Seraphin as our back-up C, Tyler could get his minutes don't you think? Again, I haven't seen Tyler and am going-by the reports.
How raw is he compared to Seraphin?

Edit: Watched your link, Vucevic was nailing every shot, that is a nice option to have for a 7-footer. I'd like to know how he rebounded in college. Vucevic looked good ...and he's a college junior.

[pancakes3]

i think minny would reach for Jonas, kanter or kemba. utah would snap up irving within a matter of nanoseconds and the cavs would be able to choose between jonas V or brandon knight. either way, Cleveland wins HUGE in this lottery and we're inevitably stuck on the outside looking in, with a good chance to add talent - just not in a spot we need in: the forward slot.