Official Trade Thread - Part XXIX

[keynote]

Does Joe Johnson have any experience playing the 4? He's a solid 240 lbs and has a back-to-the-basket game, but has he had a lot of reps playing low post defense?

[Rafael122]

Definitely receptive to the Nene/Webster/Blair for Johnson trade. The thing is though, that gives us 9 players and we're about $7.5 million under the tax.

PG - Wall/Sessions/Temple
SG - Beal/Johnson
SF - Porter/Oubre
PF - Humphries
C - Gortat

We have no front court depth. We've got two TPE's, the BAE and MLE to play with.

[nate33]

Definitely receptive to the Nene/Webster/Blair for Johnson trade. The thing is though, that gives us 9 players and we're about $7.5 million under the tax.

PG - Wall/Sessions/Temple
SG - Beal/Johnson
SF - Porter/Oubre
PF - Humphries
C - Gortat

We have no front court depth. We've got two TPE's, the BAE and MLE to play with.

Ted should be willing to pay the tax for one year. It's only one year because next year we drop way below the cap. There would be no repeater taxpayer penalty.

If it costs a couple of million in tax dollars to field an Eastern Conference Finals team, it would be money well spent if Durant decides to come here.

Use the full MLE on Brandon Wright. Use the TPE to get Mario Chalmers (extracting a pick in the process). Resign Gooden with the BAE:

PG Wall/Sessions/Temple
SG Beal/Chalmers/Temple
SF Porter/Johnson/Oubre
PF Johnson/Humphries/Gooden
C Gortat/Wright

[fishercob]

Definitely receptive to the Nene/Webster/Blair for Johnson trade. The thing is though, that gives us 9 players and we're about $7.5 million under the tax.

PG - Wall/Sessions/Temple
SG - Beal/Johnson
SF - Porter/Oubre
PF - Humphries
C - Gortat

We have no front court depth. We've got two TPE's, the BAE and MLE to play with.

Ted should be willing to pay the tax for one year. It's only one year because next year we drop way below the cap. There would be no repeater taxpayer penalty.

If it costs a couple of million in tax dollars to field an Eastern Conference Finals team, it would be money well spent if Durant decides to come here.

Use the full MLE on Brandon Wright. Use the TPE to get Mario Chalmers (extracting a pick in the process). Resign Gooden with the BAE:

PG Wall/Sessions/Temple
SG Beal/Chalmers/Temple
SF Porter/Johnson/Oubre
PF Johnson/Humphries/Gooden
C Gortat/Wright

This plan hinges on getting a viable backup C with the MLE. If that is the case, then great. But we need to be sure we can do that before making a deal like this. If we move Nene and then Gortat gets hurt, we are screwed.

[nate33]

Definitely receptive to the Nene/Webster/Blair for Johnson trade. The thing is though, that gives us 9 players and we're about $7.5 million under the tax.

PG - Wall/Sessions/Temple
SG - Beal/Johnson
SF - Porter/Oubre
PF - Humphries
C - Gortat

We have no front court depth. We've got two TPE's, the BAE and MLE to play with.

Ted should be willing to pay the tax for one year. It's only one year because next year we drop way below the cap. There would be no repeater taxpayer penalty.

If it costs a couple of million in tax dollars to field an Eastern Conference Finals team, it would be money well spent if Durant decides to come here.

Use the full MLE on Brandon Wright. Use the TPE to get Mario Chalmers (extracting a pick in the process). Resign Gooden with the BAE:

PG Wall/Sessions/Temple
SG Beal/Chalmers/Temple
SF Porter/Johnson/Oubre
PF Johnson/Humphries/Gooden
C Gortat/Wright

This plan hinges on getting a viable backup C with the MLE. If that is the case, then great. But we need to be sure we can do that before making a deal like this. If we move Nene and then Gortat gets hurt, we are screwed.

Agreed.

There are a ton of centers on the market though. Gasol, Jordan, Chandler, Lopez, Monroe, Lopez, Vucevic, Kanter and Asik head the list. I think most teams in need of a center will spend their wad on those guys, leaving a bunch of second tier guys like Amir Johnson, Wright, Biyombo, Koufos, Ajinca, Aldrich and Withey.

[Rafael122]

Definitely receptive to the Nene/Webster/Blair for Johnson trade. The thing is though, that gives us 9 players and we're about $7.5 million under the tax.

PG - Wall/Sessions/Temple
SG - Beal/Johnson
SF - Porter/Oubre
PF - Humphries
C - Gortat

We have no front court depth. We've got two TPE's, the BAE and MLE to play with.

Ted should be willing to pay the tax for one year. It's only one year because next year we drop way below the cap. There would be no repeater taxpayer penalty.

If it costs a couple of million in tax dollars to field an Eastern Conference Finals team, it would be money well spent if Durant decides to come here.

Use the full MLE on Brandon Wright. Use the TPE to get Mario Chalmers (extracting a pick in the process). Resign Gooden with the BAE:

PG Wall/Sessions/Temple
SG Beal/Chalmers/Temple
SF Porter/Johnson/Oubre
PF Johnson/Humphries/Gooden
C Gortat/Wright

Love your Chalmers idea but their '16 pick is already going to Philly, should Miami make the playoffs of course. And they can't trade back to back picks so we're looking at 2018 before we see their first round pick correct?

[nate33]

Definitely receptive to the Nene/Webster/Blair for Johnson trade. The thing is though, that gives us 9 players and we're about $7.5 million under the tax.

PG - Wall/Sessions/Temple
SG - Beal/Johnson
SF - Porter/Oubre
PF - Humphries
C - Gortat

We have no front court depth. We've got two TPE's, the BAE and MLE to play with.

Ted should be willing to pay the tax for one year. It's only one year because next year we drop way below the cap. There would be no repeater taxpayer penalty.

If it costs a couple of million in tax dollars to field an Eastern Conference Finals team, it would be money well spent if Durant decides to come here.

Use the full MLE on Brandon Wright. Use the TPE to get Mario Chalmers (extracting a pick in the process). Resign Gooden with the BAE:

PG Wall/Sessions/Temple
SG Beal/Chalmers/Temple
SF Porter/Johnson/Oubre
PF Johnson/Humphries/Gooden
C Gortat/Wright

Love your Chalmers idea but their '16 pick is already going to Philly, should Miami make the playoffs of course. And they can't trade back to back picks so we're looking at 2018 before we see their first round pick correct?

That's okay. I expect the pick in 2018 to be higher than a 2016 pick anyhow. Wade and Bosh aren't going to be good for much longer.

[I_Like_Dirt]

Sorry to say, but the Suns already robbed the Heat the way you're describing in the Dragic trade. The Heat not only owe their pick to the Sixers this season, but they also owe a 2018 first rounder to the Suns (2019 if they don't give the Sixers in 2016), and a 2021 first rounder to the Suns as well. Nothing left to steal there besides Winslow.

[Rafael122]

Ted should be willing to pay the tax for one year. It's only one year because next year we drop way below the cap. There would be no repeater taxpayer penalty.

If it costs a couple of million in tax dollars to field an Eastern Conference Finals team, it would be money well spent if Durant decides to come here.

Use the full MLE on Brandon Wright. Use the TPE to get Mario Chalmers (extracting a pick in the process). Resign Gooden with the BAE:

PG Wall/Sessions/Temple
SG Beal/Chalmers/Temple
SF Porter/Johnson/Oubre
PF Johnson/Humphries/Gooden
C Gortat/Wright

Love your Chalmers idea but their '16 pick is already going to Philly, should Miami make the playoffs of course. And they can't trade back to back picks so we're looking at 2018 before we see their first round pick correct?

That's okay. I expect the pick in 2018 to be higher than a 2016 pick anyhow. Wade and Bosh aren't going to be good for much longer.

How about instead of Chalmers, it's Patty Mills? Spurs can attach a 1st round pick with it, and allows them full max cap space for LMA. Just not sure how a Sessions/Mills backcourt will work off the bench.

[nate33]

Sorry to say, but the Suns already robbed the Heat the way you're describing in the Dragic trade. The Heat not only owe their pick to the Sixers this season, but they also owe a 2018 first rounder to the Suns (2019 if they don't give the Sixers in 2016), and a 2021 first rounder to the Suns as well. Nothing left to steal there besides Winslow.

Crap.

In that case, I wouldn't use our TPE on Chalmers. At least not yet. I'd wait a while to see what develops. Several teams might be trying to clear cap in order to sign a guy to a max deal, or to get under the luxtax.

[nate33]

Love your Chalmers idea but their '16 pick is already going to Philly, should Miami make the playoffs of course. And they can't trade back to back picks so we're looking at 2018 before we see their first round pick correct?

That's okay. I expect the pick in 2018 to be higher than a 2016 pick anyhow. Wade and Bosh aren't going to be good for much longer.

How about instead of Chalmers, it's Patty Mills? Spurs can attach a 1st round pick with it, and allows them full max cap space for LMA. Just not sure how a Sessions/Mills backcourt will work off the bench.

Mills is way better than Chalmers, so that's a no brainer. I don't think the Spurs would pull the trigger though. They need Mills with Parker getting long in the tooth. My guess is that they will try and move Splitter or Diaw, and they'll probably be able to get it done without paying through the nose since both of those guys are on pretty good contracts.

[nate33]

What about this 3-way trade:

Washington trades: Blair + TPE
Washington receives: Booker

Utah trades: Booker
Utah receives: Hinrich + Blair + Chicago protected future 1st

Chicago trades: Hinrich + Protected future 1st
Chicago receives: TPE

We get Booker without sacrificing any MLE money. Utah gets a pick for turning Booker into Blair. It's salary neutral for them and frees up room for Trey Lyles to play. Chicago saves $2.8M plus the associated luxtax hit and gives up a protected 1st in the process.

[keynote]

The latest from CSNW:

The Wizards, CSNwashington.com has confirmed through two persons with knowledge of the situation, aren't expected to move him during the offseason because there isn't serious interest in the 13-year power forward who averaged 11 points and 5.1 rebounds. If Nene is eventually moved, it'll likely occur closer to the trade deadline in February when most of his salary has been picked up by his current team and maybe a contender in need of a big man on an expiring deal could come calling.

Hmm. This reads as if the Wizards are open to moving Nene, but the market for his services is (understandably) tepid -- especially if the Wizards are still uninterested in taking back significant salary past 2016.

Joe Johnson, OTOH, is still quite serviceable. We might have to throw in a pick (or more) to pull off a Nene/Johnson swap.

[nate33]

The latest from CSNW:

The Wizards, CSNwashington.com has confirmed through two persons with knowledge of the situation, aren't expected to move him during the offseason because there isn't serious interest in the 13-year power forward who averaged 11 points and 5.1 rebounds. If Nene is eventually moved, it'll likely occur closer to the trade deadline in February when most of his salary has been picked up by his current team and maybe a contender in need of a big man on an expiring deal could come calling.

Hmm. This reads as if the Wizards are open to moving Nene, but the market for his services is (understandably) tepid -- especially if the Wizards are still uninterested in taking back significant salary past 2016.

Joe Johnson, OTOH, is still quite serviceable. We might have to throw in a pick (or more) to pull off a Nene/Johnson swap.

I wouldn't do it if a pick was involved. After all, Nene is still a somewhat useful player who fills a position (backup C) where we've got nothing else. There is no compelling need to move him. It would be nice, but not essential.

It's interesting to note that the Wizards appear to have quietly shopped him. I wonder if Nene is starting to get on management's nerves. It's hard to be sure. In interviews, Nene appears really annoyed when he is forced to play C, but at the same time, he consistently says he'll do whatever the coach asks him to.

[nuposse04]

Nene has reason to give a damn this upcoming season. If he chooses to play an extra season or two, even though he'll likely get way less money, the ballooning cap could net him some significant cash. I'd like to see how he performs in a contract year. Maybe he'll try to lose some weight...we shall see.

[keynote]

Nene has reason to give a damn this upcoming season. If he chooses to play an extra season or two, even though he'll likely get way less money, the ballooning cap could net him some significant cash. I'd like to see how he performs in a contract year. Maybe he'll try to lose some weight...we shall see.

+1. Losing 15 lbs of bulk might lengthen his career. Of course, it might also make it harder for him to play the 5, but that probably suits him just fine.

[Dark Faze]

Never considered contract year Nene

Pretty sure he's going to be more than ready to retire though and live like a king in Brazil. Doesn't seem like the type of guy that didn't take care of his finances.

[stevemcqueen1]

Is there a trade to be had with Milwaukee centered around Nene and the 2016 pick for OJ Mayo and Henson?

[gambitx777]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pld3t6t
This trade makes a lot of sense IMO.
GS saves a good chunk of money that they can use to resign Green.
The Wiz get David lee and Zeller, Lee on a one year deal and Zeller has a team options in 2016.
The hornets get a vet swing man. Whom they are looking for
and the Suns get a center, who the are in need of.

I don't know if any other assets or picks need to be moved in the trade? But we have Thomas, but I would rather hold on to him. Thoughts?

[nate33]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pld3t6t
This trade makes a lot of sense IMO.
GS saves a good chunk of money that they can use to resign Green.
The Wiz get David lee and Zeller, Lee on a one year deal and Zeller has a team options in 2016.
The hornets get a vet swing man. Whom they are looking for
and the Suns get a center, who the are in need of.

I don't know if any other assets or picks need to be moved in the trade? But we have Thomas, but I would rather hold on to him. Thoughts?

So the Hornets are voluntarily trading Cody Zeller for Martell Webster?