2016 Offseason Thread -- Not (just) #KD2DC

[80sballboy]

Really, our best selling point is probably playing time. We only have 6 players under contract! Perhaps another repeat of 2015-2016 and a bunch of 1 year signings.

Before last year with the Bucks, in 2 seasons with Toronto he was very consistent with avg 10 pts 4 assts 38% on 3s in 23 min per game. Sometimes players and teams are just a bad fit.

I am interested in what Ruz thinks about it...

Well thank you sir. I love Greivis for what he did at Maryland, and he had a pro career he can be proud of. But the worst trade in the NBA last offseason was Milwaukee trading a 1st and 2nd rounder for Greivis. He's just got nothing left in the tank, imo.

As a Maryland fan, I never even thought of GV as much of an NBA prospect. He's got cajones and good size for a point guard, but damn he can't guard anybody. I think it was Sessions who just took him to school the last time we played Milwaukee. I can see a GV/Sato backcourt with a lot of size and quicker guards going around them like they are statues.

[nate33]

I wonder how much the presence of Gortat will sway Horford's opinion. In Boston, Horford would be the center. Olynyk and Amir can play some 5, but when Horford is on the floor, he'll be the one banging against DeAndre Jordan and Demarcus Cousins. He may be tired of doing that.

Playing alongside Gortat, Horford won't have to be guarding the opposition's starting center - except maybe during crunch time.

[nate33]

Before last year with the Bucks, in 2 seasons with Toronto he was very consistent with avg 10 pts 4 assts 38% on 3s in 23 min per game. Sometimes players and teams are just a bad fit.

I am interested in what Ruz thinks about it...

Well thank you sir. I love Greivis for what he did at Maryland, and he had a pro career he can be proud of. But the worst trade in the NBA last offseason was Milwaukee trading a 1st and 2nd rounder for Greivis. He's just got nothing left in the tank, imo.

As a Maryland fan, I never even thought of GV as much of an NBA prospect. He's got cajones and good size for a point guard, but damn he can't guard anybody. I think it was Sessions who just took him to school the last time we played Milwaukee. I can see a GV/Sato backcourt with a lot of size and quicker guards going around them like they are statues.

Yup. He's the kind of guy you can get away with playing in the regular season, because the opposition doesn't spend to much time scouting and exploiting backups. But in the playoffs, teams run guys like Vasquez off the floor. He just can't be trusted to guard anyone.

[montestewart]

Well, I would think that Horford would want a S&T for a 5 year contract. I think Boston might have more assets for Atlanta.

If that happens, smart move by Atlanta to go with Howard/Millsap as their FC rotation and try to pilfer as many assets from Boston as possible. They definitely would want one of Boston's PGs to backup Schroder.

i could be wrong, but I thought the last CBA prevented S&T's that give players 5 year contracts. They did that to discourage players from changing teams.

How does that work through the length of a 5 year contract? Are those players essentially untradable, or is it just at the time of signing (say, through the trade deadline of the following season or something)?

[80sballboy]

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[Ruzious]

I wonder how much the presence of Gortat will sway Horford's opinion. In Boston, Horford would be the center. Olynyk and Amir can play some 5, but when Horford is on the floor, he'll be the one banging against DeAndre Jordan and Demarcus Cousins. He may be tired of doing that.

Playing alongside Gortat, Horford won't have to guarding the opposition's starting center - except maybe during crunch time.

Good point. He might think of it as a career-extending decision for him - somewhat like Nene was thinking when he teamed up with Gortat.

If it comes down to the better organization, Boston would appear to be more appealing.

[nuposse04]

I wonder how much the presence of Gortat will sway Horford's opinion. In Boston, Horford would be the center. Olynyk and Amir can play some 5, but when Horford is on the floor, he'll be the one banging against DeAndre Jordan and Demarcus Cousins. He may be tired of doing that.

Playing alongside Gortat, Horford won't have to guarding the opposition's starting center - except maybe during crunch time.

Good point. He might think of it as a career-extending decision for him - somewhat like Nene was thinking when he teamed up with Gortat.

If it comes down to the better organization, Boston would appear to be more appealing.

I'm hoping that was part of the pitch. Wall, Porter and Gortat are all competent passers as well... Beal too actually. I fully believe Horford impact in DC would be larger then in BOS. Mainly cause BOS has 4s that are competent and we have....Kieff.... :/

With a few other pieces we could be 9 players deep. Tomas+Temple+Ian?+Kieff off the bench. Add in Alan Anderson it isn't really that bad. McClellen and Ochefu would be interesting young players to develop, and since they are older rookies may pay dividends by year end.

[Induveca]

Hoping for Horford, but Boston has a HUGE Dominican population. Literally a little Santo Domingo, and you know David Ortiz is assisting with his opinion.

If he does sign, I can dream and hope we can ship out Gortat and Morris for Cousins/filler

Wall
Beal
Porter
Horford
Cousins

[AFM]

I'ma be banging dis all night if horford sign

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I shoulda played for the Wizards

I shoulda played for the Hawks

I shoulda played for the Wizards

I shoulda played for the Hawks

CUS IM BAWLIN!!!!!!!

[gesa2]

Here's an even better fantasy: we sign Horford this year, Durant signs 1+1 with OKC. We win 55 games and make it to the Eastern Conference finals with Al. Next off-season we unload Gortat and others to make room for Durant, moving Al back to Center, and rule the East as LeBron gets old.

[nate33]

How does that work through the length of a 5 year contract? Are those players essentially untradable, or is it just at the time of signing (say, through the trade deadline of the following season or something)?

Any free agent signed in a non-S&T arrangement must stay on the team for 3 months or until December 15th (whichever is later) at which point they can be traded.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

I wonder how much the presence of Gortat will sway Horford's opinion. In Boston, Horford would be the center. Olynyk and Amir can play some 5, but when Horford is on the floor, he'll be the one banging against DeAndre Jordan and Demarcus Cousins. He may be tired of doing that.

Playing alongside Gortat, Horford won't have to guarding the opposition's starting center - except maybe during crunch time.

Good point. He might think of it as a career-extending decision for him - somewhat like Nene was thinking when he teamed up with Gortat.

If it comes down to the better organization, Boston would appear to be more appealing.

Well he pared it down to Wizards and Celtics... looking at the Celtics roster I don't get the big lovefest going on over it. They have good depth and youth, but Horford is 30 and seems a great fit next to Gortat and teamed with the Beal-Wall backcourt seems ideal as far as a ready made win now situation. Add in Morris and Porter, and the upside of Oubre, possibly Satoransky. Brooks has been a well regarded player friendly and successful head coach, upgraded from Wittman.

We have a real chance here, I guess we'll find out tonight!

[tontoz]

I wonder how much the presence of Gortat will sway Horford's opinion. In Boston, Horford would be the center. Olynyk and Amir can play some 5, but when Horford is on the floor, he'll be the one banging against DeAndre Jordan and Demarcus Cousins. He may be tired of doing that.

Playing alongside Gortat, Horford won't have to guarding the opposition's starting center - except maybe during crunch time.

He was tired of that a long time ago and said as much. So did his father.

Having him as a backup center for a few minutes a game is fine but i know he would rather start at the 4.

[Ruzious]

I wonder how much the presence of Gortat will sway Horford's opinion. In Boston, Horford would be the center. Olynyk and Amir can play some 5, but when Horford is on the floor, he'll be the one banging against DeAndre Jordan and Demarcus Cousins. He may be tired of doing that.

Playing alongside Gortat, Horford won't have to guarding the opposition's starting center - except maybe during crunch time.

He was tired of that a long time ago and said as much. So did his father.

Having him as a backup center for a few minutes a game is fine but i know he would rather start at the 4.

I think Atl was hoping Walter Tevares would develop into that starting center, but he's likely a couple more years away. And now he's got more time to develop - with Howard there. In the old days, a Howard, Horford, Millsap front court would be... wow. But in today's game, teams are looking to get smaller - and Millsap's better off at PF than SF. Howard and Millsap should be a great combo - as long as they stay healthy.

[FAH1223]

I'd love Al to be our starting PF

But Boston has all those assets and they're desperate. They can do a sign and trade to give him that 5th year.

[Dark Faze]

[nate33]

I'd love Al to be our starting PF

But Boston has all those assets and they're desperate. They can do a sign and trade to give him that 5th year.

No. They can't.

[FAH1223]

I'd love Al to be our starting PF

But Boston has all those assets and they're desperate. They can do a sign and trade to give him that 5th year.

No. They can't.

Wait. Seriously??

[JWizmentality]

Hope for best. Expect the worst. I want him to chose D.C if for nothing else than to see the Epic Celts board meltdown.

[dckingsfan]

Well, I would think that Horford would want a S&T for a 5 year contract. I think Boston might have more assets for Atlanta.

If that happens, smart move by Atlanta to go with Howard/Millsap as their FC rotation and try to pilfer as many assets from Boston as possible. They definitely would want one of Boston's PGs to backup Schroder.

i could be wrong, but I thought the last CBA prevented S&T's that give players 5 year contracts. They did that to discourage players from changing teams.

Must have missed that - I would give us a better chance then...