Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII

[NatP4]

I get that Oubre has potential, but the way people gush about him around he makes it seem like he's a budding star. I just don't see it. This is the same guy who has all of 5 points over the last three games, all of ZERO assists over the last 8 games. He's a guy who isn't capable of creating his own shot, so almost all his points come from catch and shoot situations, yet he's still only shooting 42% from the field, and 30% from 3. He's trending to be somewhere in between Andre Roberson and Trevor Ariza, but he has a long way to go before he is Ariza of a couple years ago.

He's very inconsistent now, but he has massive off the dribble potential, all the physical tools, and the work ethic, smooth shooting stroke that will eventually result in 40% from 3. Ariza is his floor, it will take time to reach that though. Ariza wasn't Ariza until Washington.

In my mind Oubre's complete lack of ball handling is the most worrisome aspect of his game. He can't dribble at all. Of all the aspects of the game, I consider ball-handling the most challenging to develop into a strength. Rarely do you ever see a player completely inept at dribbling learn to breakdown other players.

I see it more as a game needs to slow down more for him type of thing. I like his ball handling foundation. No homo

[Dark Faze]

I get that Oubre has potential, but the way people gush about him around he makes it seem like he's a budding star. I just don't see it. This is the same guy who has all of 5 points over the last three games, all of ZERO assists over the last 8 games. He's a guy who isn't capable of creating his own shot, so almost all his points come from catch and shoot situations, yet he's still only shooting 42% from the field, and 30% from 3. He's trending to be somewhere in between Andre Roberson and Trevor Ariza, but he has a long way to go before he is Ariza of a couple years ago.

He's very inconsistent now, but he has massive off the dribble potential, all the physical tools, and the work ethic, smooth shooting stroke that will eventually result in 40% from 3. Ariza is his floor, it will take time to reach that though. Ariza wasn't Ariza until Washington.

In my mind Oubre's complete lack of ball handling is the most worrisome aspect of his game. He can't dribble at all. Of all the aspects of the game, I consider ball-handling the most challenging to develop into a strength. Rarely do you ever see a player completely inept at dribbling learn to breakdown other players.

He's about as bad as Beal was at one point, and now look at Brad.

[hndlm]

Hi guys. I am new to this board as a poster but I have been lurking around for years and reading your thoughts about the Teams progress. Through the years I haven't given much thought to different trade scenarios. but this year. the oh so agonizing feeling that we are so close but still missing that something is ever so sweet. so I have tried to think of something.

Anyway.

Here's an idea for a trade(s). Stricktly from our point of view. Not sure if it will work but the general idea is following...
Oubre for a 2017 first (+ something if needed)
Mahinmi/Nicholson + Burke + 2017 first for PG (Wall backup) + SF (Oubres replacement)

PS. I am from Estonia and english is not in my blood so I'm sorry for that.

[payitforward]

If we're giving up a 1st rounder a prospect at power forward/center must be part of the package. Someone like Portis, Cauley-Stein, Lyles, Willy Hernangomez, Vonleh, or Powell. It'll be like we kept our draft pick all along.

You overvalue our pick. How can we get both a competent backup guard AND a decent prospect big man with just the #22ish pick? All while sticking someone with a terrible "filler contract".

This is the issue that makes the last 3 weeks of this Trade Board almost unbearable. Too many people are overrating our trade assets. The cupboard is bare, people! Our pick plus a crappy filler contract is unlikely to get back an upgrade over what we already have. The only exception is at PG because what we have is so horrifically bad that nearly any PG in the league who gets regular minutes is an upgrade.

On the money.

& at PG, we'd have been well off to pick up someone like Yogi Ferrell (that's hindsight on my part, admittedly). Or to keep Ish Smith for crying out loud! Or to buy into last year's R2 & pick Felder.

Point is there were many possibilities; but a trade right now isn't one of them. Especially if it deals away our R1 pick.

[Upper Decker]

I get that Oubre has potential, but the way people gush about him around he makes it seem like he's a budding star. I just don't see it. This is the same guy who has all of 5 points over the last three games, all of ZERO assists over the last 8 games. He's a guy who isn't capable of creating his own shot, so almost all his points come from catch and shoot situations, yet he's still only shooting 42% from the field, and 30% from 3. He's trending to be somewhere in between Andre Roberson and Trevor Ariza, but he has a long way to go before he is Ariza of a couple years ago.

You should probably look at Ariza's career progression.

Oubre is just fine at the moment. He'll get there.

Ariza is such an interesting player, and you prompting me to look at his career progression makes me wonder, how valuable he really is. Why has he changed teams SEVEN times in his career? He's a good player, and seems like every winning team has a player just like him on their roster, but if Oubre's the difference between getting a needle moving player, I don't think it's a question. That said, I disagree with the notion of trading Oubre for either Lou Williams or Marcus Morris.

[Upper Decker]

He's very inconsistent now, but he has massive off the dribble potential, all the physical tools, and the work ethic, smooth shooting stroke that will eventually result in 40% from 3. Ariza is his floor, it will take time to reach that though. Ariza wasn't Ariza until Washington.

In my mind Oubre's complete lack of ball handling is the most worrisome aspect of his game. He can't dribble at all. Of all the aspects of the game, I consider ball-handling the most challenging to develop into a strength. Rarely do you ever see a player completely inept at dribbling learn to breakdown other players.

He's about as bad as Beal was at one point, and now look at Brad.

I thought of Brad as well when typing this response, because he wasn't a great ball handler when he first entered the league, but he was better than Oubre is now in my opinion. Brad is also such a better shooter it enables his ability to dribble penetrate. It opens up bigger lanes because defenses are closing harder.

[Mojo Amok]

Read the article Lowe wrote on the Pistons. It seems that Drummond just doesn't try hard enough. We don't need a starting frontcourt that can't get motivated to play.

The silver lining there would be that even a purportedly 'poorly motivated' Drummond is the best rebounder in the NBA.

[payitforward]

Drummond on the block lol

Not sure I'd trade Gortat for him straight up

I'd absolutely trade Gortat straight up for Drummond (well, we'd have to include Nicholson to make the salaries match).

Admittedly, Gortat has been better than Drummond this year and the trade would likely make us worse in the very short term. But Drummond is so much younger than Gortat. He's the same age as Beal and Porter and the trade would extend the window of opportunity for this roster for a long long time. The core of Wall, Beal, Oubre, Porter and Drummond could stay together for another 8 years. I also like that Drummond's rebounding dominance would make it easier to play Porter at the 4 more.

No kidding! That would be quite a score for us.

W/o looking, however, could we afford it going forward?

[Dark Faze]

I get that Oubre has potential, but the way people gush about him around he makes it seem like he's a budding star. I just don't see it. This is the same guy who has all of 5 points over the last three games, all of ZERO assists over the last 8 games. He's a guy who isn't capable of creating his own shot, so almost all his points come from catch and shoot situations, yet he's still only shooting 42% from the field, and 30% from 3. He's trending to be somewhere in between Andre Roberson and Trevor Ariza, but he has a long way to go before he is Ariza of a couple years ago.

You should probably look at Ariza's career progression.

Oubre is just fine at the moment. He'll get there.

Ariza is such an interesting player, and you prompting me to look at his career progression makes me wonder, how valuable he really is. Why has he changed teams SEVEN times in his career? He's a good player, and seems like every winning team has a player just like him on their roster, but if Oubre's the difference between getting a needle moving player, I don't think it's a question. That said, I disagree with the notion of trading Oubre for either Lou Williams or Marcus Morris.

The only time he was legitimately moved for being a bad contract/ass was his first stent in Houston to New Orleans. Then New Orleans was looking at a rebuild after Chris Paul left and the dysfunction of not having an owner. The Lakers wanted to keep him prior to the move to Houston the first go around but Ariza chose to go to Houston for a paltry increase in salary. In Washington it was kind of a similar situation where we loved him but weren't willing to offer the most for him.

Gotta remember he was a late second rounder. Those guys get moved a lot in their early years as filler.

[payitforward]

Hi guys. I am new to this board as a poster but I have been lurking around for years and reading your thoughts about the Teams progress. Through the years I haven't given much thought to different trade scenarios. but this year. the oh so agonizing feeling that we are so close but still missing that something is ever so sweet. so I have tried to think of something.

Anyway.

Here's an idea for a trade(s). Stricktly from our point of view. Not sure if it will work but the general idea is following...
Oubre for a 2017 first (+ something if needed)
Mahinmi/Nicholson + Burke + 2017 first for PG (Wall backup) + SF (Oubres replacement)

PS. I am from Estonia and english is not in my blood so I'm sorry for that.

Oubre to which team for which R1 pick number?

Same question about the 2d trade you are thinking about. Of course it would be great to get rid of both Mahinmi's salary & Nicholson's!! But... who are the PG & SF that come back in the deal?

[nate33]

Hi guys. I am new to this board as a poster but I have been lurking around for years and reading your thoughts about the Teams progress. Through the years I haven't given much thought to different trade scenarios. but this year. the oh so agonizing feeling that we are so close but still missing that something is ever so sweet. so I have tried to think of something.

Anyway.

Here's an idea for a trade(s). Stricktly from our point of view. Not sure if it will work but the general idea is following...
Oubre for a 2017 first (+ something if needed)
Mahinmi/Nicholson + Burke + 2017 first for PG (Wall backup) + SF (Oubres replacement)

PS. I am from Estonia and english is not in my blood so I'm sorry for that.

The first trade doesn't make much sense to me. I figure Oubre is about ready to emerge as a reliable rotation player this year, and will almost certainly be a reliable rotation player next year. Why trade him for a pick that won't really be ready for high pressure minutes until 2019-20 season or so? Wall isn't going to be in his prime forever, and Gortat is about to decline. We want to peak in the next 1-3 years, not 3-5 years down the road.

The second trade isn't really well defined. It all depends on who that PG and SF is.

[Dark Faze]

Hi guys. I am new to this board as a poster but I have been lurking around for years and reading your thoughts about the Teams progress. Through the years I haven't given much thought to different trade scenarios. but this year. the oh so agonizing feeling that we are so close but still missing that something is ever so sweet. so I have tried to think of something.

Anyway.

Here's an idea for a trade(s). Stricktly from our point of view. Not sure if it will work but the general idea is following...
Oubre for a 2017 first (+ something if needed)
Mahinmi/Nicholson + Burke + 2017 first for PG (Wall backup) + SF (Oubres replacement)

PS. I am from Estonia and english is not in my blood so I'm sorry for that.

Welcome to the board!

Oubre for a first is as good as we'd get, we wouldn't get anything else with it, and it's unlikely we'd get a player with the same potential. If we did, it'd just be swapping potential at SF for potential at another position.

Don't quite understand the second part. Trade Oubre for a 1st and then trade the first plus other value for Oubres replacement and then a backup. Seems needlessly complex.

If we just want to get a strong sixth man backup for the cheapest price, I've offered a 2018 unprotected first for Lou Williams and the Lakers 2nd round pick (33). I'm not sure how they'd feel about that though. It would depend on if anyone had a better offer, but I think they'd pull the trigger if its the best offer on the table.

[nate33]

Read the article Lowe wrote on the Pistons. It seems that Drummond just doesn't try hard enough. We don't need a starting frontcourt that can't get motivated to play.

The silver lining there would be that even a purportedly 'poorly motivated' Drummond is the best rebounder in the NBA.

One take is that, paradoxically, Drummond's poor motivation is precisely why he is rebounding well. He has been too lazy to step out and pressure the guard on the pick-and-roll, preferring to drop back into the lane and hope for a miss and a rebound. The consequence is that the guard is more likely to drill a 3.

[dckingsfan]

What if... we didn't have Mahinmi and Nicholson and had that $22M of cap space? What would our 1st round pick with nothing going back get us?

[keynote]

The only time he was legitimately moved for being a bad contract/ass was his first stent in Houston to New Orleans...

His *first* stent? No wonder folks question his heart.

[hndlm]

Hi guys. I am new to this board as a poster but I have been lurking around for years and reading your thoughts about the Teams progress. Through the years I haven't given much thought to different trade scenarios. but this year. the oh so agonizing feeling that we are so close but still missing that something is ever so sweet. so I have tried to think of something.

Anyway.

Here's an idea for a trade(s). Stricktly from our point of view. Not sure if it will work but the general idea is following...
Oubre for a 2017 first (+ something if needed)
Mahinmi/Nicholson + Burke + 2017 first for PG (Wall backup) + SF (Oubres replacement)

PS. I am from Estonia and english is not in my blood so I'm sorry for that.

Welcome to the board!

Oubre for a first is as good as we'd get, we wouldn't get anything else with it, and it's unlikely we'd get a player with the same potential. If we did, it'd just be swapping potential at SF for potential at another position.

Don't quite understand the second part. Trade Oubre for a 1st and then trade the first plus other value for Oubres replacement and then a backup. Seems needlessly complex.

If we just want to get a strong sixth man backup for the cheapest price, I've offered a 2018 unprotected first for Lou Williams and the Lakers 2nd round pick (33). I'm not sure how they'd feel about that though. It would depend on if anyone had a better offer, but I think they'd pull the trigger if its the best offer on the table.

My first point beeing that it looks like we might have to include some assets we wouldn't lile to send out. We need a pick in next years draft to be flexible enough after offering max money to Porter. But does it have to be the the pick we are holding now. Also as we see Oubre as a project anyway then this wouldn't be that much of a postponing the "plan".

The second part was directed towards the needs we have for winning now. If we do get another pick for a draft that is said to be deep. Then trading away one of them with some bad contracts for rentals to upgrade us this year and give use more flexibility in coming summer.

I am very clear that I haven't proposed certain trade partners or players coming in. But do appriciate your feedback on this part.

[NatP4]

What if... we didn't have Mahinmi and Nicholson and had that $22M of cap space? What would our 1st round pick with nothing going back get us?

probably nothing better, maybe melo?

[sfam]

I get that Oubre has potential, but the way people gush about him around he makes it seem like he's a budding star. I just don't see it. This is the same guy who has all of 5 points over the last three games, all of ZERO assists over the last 8 games. He's a guy who isn't capable of creating his own shot, so almost all his points come from catch and shoot situations, yet he's still only shooting 42% from the field, and 30% from 3. He's trending to be somewhere in between Andre Roberson and Trevor Ariza, but he has a long way to go before he is Ariza of a couple years ago.

He's very inconsistent now, but he has massive off the dribble potential, all the physical tools, and the work ethic, smooth shooting stroke that will eventually result in 40% from 3. Ariza is his floor, it will take time to reach that though. Ariza wasn't Ariza until Washington.

In my mind Oubre's complete lack of ball handling is the most worrisome aspect of his game. He can't dribble at all. Of all the aspects of the game, I consider ball-handling the most challenging to develop into a strength. Rarely do you ever see a player completely inept at dribbling learn to breakdown other players.

What about Bradley Beal? He's improved tremendously.

[gambitx777]

What if... we didn't have Mahinmi and Nicholson and had that $22M of cap space? What would our 1st round pick with nothing going back get us?

Well considering we would still pretty much have the same record plus or minus a game or two.
Probably Greg Monroe. Lou williams, Just about any one on orlando, Willson chandler. Any one on portland not named Lillard/CJ, JJ reddick, Noel, Goran dragic probably. Probably a lot cuz they would not need to worry about taking back mahinmi or nicholson.

[gambitx777]

I would not be shocked if we have **** in the works but it won't pop off till friday, after the pacers game. We can't let a team 4.5 games back from us get a win on us in a tight east. Sure were are not trading our core 6 guys, and sato is safe, and if smith goes any where ill be shocked. I can see mahinmi, burke, and cniholson gone. Give mahinmi one more game to look good and keep the team chemistry up, crush the pacers and move on. I think EG pulls something off I hope.