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[popper]

I’m optimistic. We have plenty of money to sign a FA TE and CB. Trent and Dunbar are both under contract and will play unless Rivera decides it’s better to trade one or both. Sign or transition tag Scherff, cut Long. Fill holes with draft picks and another FA or two.

[Ruzious]

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And it could be more. If they pick Young, that might mean Kerrigan could be let go. Everyone talks about how great Young is (as they should), but Jeff Okudah is regarded by many as the top CB prospect in the last decade. It'd be fun to get him - if they trade down for a bunch of high picks.

Are the Skins gonna win the offseason?

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And it could be more. If they pick Young, that might mean Kerrigan could be let go. Everyone talks about how great Young is (as they should), but Jeff Okudah is regarded by many as the top CB prospect in the last decade. It'd be fun to get him - if they trade down for a bunch of high picks.

Are the Skins gonna win the offseason?

Off season Super Bowl Champs. Snyder’s speciality. I agree with you both about Kerrigan (if we draft Young) and Okudah if we trade down. We could also retain Kerrigan even if we select Young if he’d accept a 60% salary cut.

[popper]

Correction - posted about cutting Long when I meant Moses. Then I read we don’t save anything if we cut him this year, so I guess we’re stuck with him for another season. Hope he improves with help from the new coaching staff.

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The good thing is - I expect he's got significant trade value, and we've got money to replace him.

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[Wizardspride]

Washington should not listen to ransoms for Chase Young. The Ohio State pass-rusher might be better than Nick Bosa. Might be. With last year’s first-round rusher Montez Sweat and (possibly) formidable rusher Ryan Kerrigan in place, Washington could have one of the game’s best pass-rushes on day one. “There’s some guys you don’t trade off of,” Jeremiah said. “I don’t trade off of quarterbacks and I don’t trade off of elite edge rushers because that’s how you win football games. You win championships with great quarterback play and pass rush. We saw two teams at the Super Bowl, one with the great quarterback, the other one with the great pass rush. That’s how the game’s played right now.”



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[Ruzious]

Washington should not listen to ransoms for Chase Young. The Ohio State pass-rusher might be better than Nick Bosa. Might be. With last year’s first-round rusher Montez Sweat and (possibly) formidable rusher Ryan Kerrigan in place, Washington could have one of the game’s best pass-rushes on day one. “There’s some guys you don’t trade off of,” Jeremiah said. “I don’t trade off of quarterbacks and I don’t trade off of elite edge rushers because that’s how you win football games. You win championships with great quarterback play and pass rush. We saw two teams at the Super Bowl, one with the great quarterback, the other one with the great pass rush. That’s how the game’s played right now.”



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Yeah, we shouldn't "listen" to ransoms; we should be the ones doing the ransoming. How did the RG3 trade work out?

[likwitdesi]

A good friend of mine started an NFL draft podcast called the Nonstop Motor Podcast (available on Spotify, Apple and other palaces you can find podcasts). This week he interviewed former NFL QB and Spurrier pick Gibran Hamdan. He tells some great Spurrier stories, his experience in DC and what he looks for in QBs. Thought it was a great listen - links below:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/4-gibran-hamdan-interview-ex-nfl-qb-reviewing-the-ol/id1496613584?i=1000466478028

https://open.spotify.com/episode/6pmjnYEtSSvfGRqUATqGbb

[Dark Faze]

Washington should not listen to ransoms for Chase Young. The Ohio State pass-rusher might be better than Nick Bosa. Might be. With last year’s first-round rusher Montez Sweat and (possibly) formidable rusher Ryan Kerrigan in place, Washington could have one of the game’s best pass-rushes on day one. “There’s some guys you don’t trade off of,” Jeremiah said. “I don’t trade off of quarterbacks and I don’t trade off of elite edge rushers because that’s how you win football games. You win championships with great quarterback play and pass rush. We saw two teams at the Super Bowl, one with the great quarterback, the other one with the great pass rush. That’s how the game’s played right now.”



https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/02/24/nfl-combine-preview-pass-interference-replay-peter-king/

Yeah, we shouldn't "listen" to ransoms; we should be the ones doing the ransoming. How did the RG3 trade work out?

To be fair, wasn't the trade a dud for the Rams as well?

That's the thing--you can easily get wack value back despite bringing back multiple high picks.

[Ruzious]

Washington should not listen to ransoms for Chase Young. The Ohio State pass-rusher might be better than Nick Bosa. Might be. With last year’s first-round rusher Montez Sweat and (possibly) formidable rusher Ryan Kerrigan in place, Washington could have one of the game’s best pass-rushes on day one. “There’s some guys you don’t trade off of,” Jeremiah said. “I don’t trade off of quarterbacks and I don’t trade off of elite edge rushers because that’s how you win football games. You win championships with great quarterback play and pass rush. We saw two teams at the Super Bowl, one with the great quarterback, the other one with the great pass rush. That’s how the game’s played right now.”



https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/02/24/nfl-combine-preview-pass-interference-replay-peter-king/

Yeah, we shouldn't "listen" to ransoms; we should be the ones doing the ransoming. How did the RG3 trade work out?

To be fair, wasn't the trade a dud for the Rams as well?

That's the thing--you can easily get wack value back despite bringing back multiple high picks.

Yeah, here's how their side looked https://www.si.com/nfl/2016/01/11/washington-redskins-st-louis-rams-robert-griffin-trade-players. A lot depends on who stays healthy and - of course - who's doin the pickin - as Roy Clark used to say.

[Endless Loop]

Before the draft, everybody's got an agenda. I'd ignore the Young hype and still take Tua.

Until he got hurt, this wouldn't even have been a question. He was considered to be a better prospect than Burrow. His stats were as outrageous as Burrow's. Tua: 33 TDs, 3 interceptions, 71.4% completion rate, 11 yards a pass. Burrow: 60 TDs, 6 interceptions, 76% completion rate, 10.8 yards per pass. Both QBs put up fantastic #s.

It's not a problem to have two great QBs under contract on rookie deals. Washington could get multiple first rounders in trade for Haskins if he continues to pan out.

We've forgotten the situation in Washington before Tua got hurt. Haskins was terrible except when he was taking selfies with fans. Tua was the consensus #1. Haskins had a couple of good games, and Tua got hurt. I'm not so sure things have changed that much at all.

The Skins likely won't have the chance to get a franchise quarterback in the draft for a very long time after this. Even if Young is fantastic, you've gotta take the great QB. Edge rusher is the second most important position on the field- not the first.

[Wizardspride]

Before the draft, everybody's got an agenda. I'd ignore the Young hype and still take Tua.

Until he got hurt, this wouldn't even have been a question. He was considered to be a better prospect than Burrow. His stats were as outrageous as Burrow's. Tua: 33 TDs, 3 interceptions, 71.4% completion rate, 11 yards a pass. Burrow: 60 TDs, 6 interceptions, 76% completion rate, 10.8 yards per pass. Both QBs put up fantastic #s.

It's not a problem to have two great QBs under contract on rookie deals. Washington could get multiple first rounders in trade for Haskins if he continues to pan out.

We've forgotten the situation in Washington before Tua got hurt. Haskins was terrible except when he was taking selfies with fans. Tua was the consensus #1. Haskins had a couple of good games, and Tua got hurt. I'm not so sure things have changed that much at all.

The Skins likely won't have the chance to get a franchise quarterback in the draft for a very long time after this. Even if Young is fantastic, you've gotta take the great QB. Edge rusher is the second most important position on the field- not the first.

I guess it all comes down to how you view Haskins.

Personally, I think Haskins is going to be a franchise QB so yeah, I'm going with Chase.

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[Ruzious]

Washington should not listen to ransoms for Chase Young. The Ohio State pass-rusher might be better than Nick Bosa. Might be. With last year’s first-round rusher Montez Sweat and (possibly) formidable rusher Ryan Kerrigan in place, Washington could have one of the game’s best pass-rushes on day one. “There’s some guys you don’t trade off of,” Jeremiah said. “I don’t trade off of quarterbacks and I don’t trade off of elite edge rushers because that’s how you win football games. You win championships with great quarterback play and pass rush. We saw two teams at the Super Bowl, one with the great quarterback, the other one with the great pass rush. That’s how the game’s played right now.”

Getting back to this - I just heard a tight end point out - KC and SF had the 2 best TE's in football.

If we look game in and game out last season - the Skins got obliterated by the difference in our TE's vs opponents' TE's. And TE's are often the safety blanket for QB's. It's absolutely vital that the Skins get a quality starting TE this offseason And a decent backup TE. Sprinkle was as bad as it gets last season.

[popper]

Washington should not listen to ransoms for Chase Young. The Ohio State pass-rusher might be better than Nick Bosa. Might be. With last year’s first-round rusher Montez Sweat and (possibly) formidable rusher Ryan Kerrigan in place, Washington could have one of the game’s best pass-rushes on day one. “There’s some guys you don’t trade off of,” Jeremiah said. “I don’t trade off of quarterbacks and I don’t trade off of elite edge rushers because that’s how you win football games. You win championships with great quarterback play and pass rush. We saw two teams at the Super Bowl, one with the great quarterback, the other one with the great pass rush. That’s how the game’s played right now.”

Getting back to this - I just heard a tight end point out - KC and SF had the 2 best TE's in football.

If we look game in and game out last season - the Skins got obliterated by the difference in our TE's vs opponents' TE's. And TE's are often the safety blanket for QB's. It's absolutely vital that the Skins get a quality starting TE this offseason And a decent backup TE. Sprinkle was as bad as it gets last season.

Agree 100%. We will probably have to overpay a bit to get one of the top two or three FA TE's but it's necessary if we want to field a decent offense.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Before the draft, everybody's got an agenda. I'd ignore the Young hype and still take Tua.

Until he got hurt, this wouldn't even have been a question. He was considered to be a better prospect than Burrow. His stats were as outrageous as Burrow's. Tua: 33 TDs, 3 interceptions, 71.4% completion rate, 11 yards a pass. Burrow: 60 TDs, 6 interceptions, 76% completion rate, 10.8 yards per pass. Both QBs put up fantastic #s.

It's not a problem to have two great QBs under contract on rookie deals. Washington could get multiple first rounders in trade for Haskins if he continues to pan out.

We've forgotten the situation in Washington before Tua got hurt. Haskins was terrible except when he was taking selfies with fans. Tua was the consensus #1. Haskins had a couple of good games, and Tua got hurt. I'm not so sure things have changed that much at all.

The Skins likely won't have the chance to get a franchise quarterback in the draft for a very long time after this. Even if Young is fantastic, you've gotta take the great QB. Edge rusher is the second most important position on the field- not the first.

I live in Hawaii. I think Tua's MAYBE injury prone. I'm not sure how his being left-handed will fly in today's NFL. (Wasn't Steve Young left-handed?) Tua's gotten LOTS OF HYPE. He did what Jalen Hurts could do in one game. HOWEVER, Hurt already had won an NCAA if I'm not mistaken. I could be VERY WRONG. Tua's injuries concern me the same way Bradley Beal's did in his first 4 years (rookie deal). EFFECTIVELY THE WIZARDS ate 82 games of Brad on the bench like John Wall is right now.

"The best ability is ... availability." Hip problems but not like Bo Jackson. Really? Ankle surgical procedures already in his career? Really? On the subject of durability how's his? Joe Burrow was DWAYNE HASKINS' backup and you want to replace young QB already? PLEASE... I'm thinking race card but what's a really nice way to say is him being black, young, acting his age/inexperience have with the little faith in the QB?

AS FAR AS I"M CONCERNED IT IS DUMB TO GO DRAFT ANOTHER QB!!!!! Unless, you trade this one for value in return. WHY NOT GIVE RIVERA AND HASKINS A MINUTE. Tua's awesome, man. Just like Marcus he's from Oahu, Hawaii. I live right down the way from where his little brother was quarterback before young Tagovaloa (sp?} was also recruited by Alabama.

Their dad raised them to be really good QBs. Even made right-handed Tua become a left-handed QB! Tua if healthy will almost certainly have a positive impact and positive career but IMO SO WILL HASKINS.

Burrow? How did he fare at Ohio State when competing against J.T. Barrett and Dwayne Haskins? How big are Barrows hands? Smaller than mine and I'm 5'8" if what I gathered from his measurable stuff. That said have hands about the size of the average 6'2" to 6'6" male. I met Kwame Brown briefly at a basketball camp. I'm pretty sure my hands are as big as his if palming a basketball is an indication. JOE BURROW IS COCKY AND A WINNER BUT... what happens if he's not a winner initially at the next level? Baker Mayfield? Talks a bunch and gets coaches fired IMO. Is that game better than Kyler Murray? I don't think so.

Haskins might be as good or better than Tua or Burrow. The younger Tago brother might be better than them, too....

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I think the Redskins can't miss if they pick Young. Re-sign or retain bought in Trent Williams. THE GUY I MIGHT DRAFT INSTEAD OF YOUNG ... is that beast OFFENSIVE LINEMAN... can't recall the team but I'm thinking he's a sure fire future HOF player.