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Wizardspride wrote:I get being on a certain "team" (Rep/Dem) but if this doesn't at least make you pause for a second then I don't know what to say....
Pointgod wrote:Wizardspride wrote:I get being on a certain "team" (Rep/Dem) but if this doesn't at least make you pause for a second then I don't know what to say....
If they had the key to this information. Why didn't they go to the FBI with this information? That must be some type of crime (in contrast to when Al Gore's team got the debate prep material and contacted the authorities)
An example:
Rob Goldstone to Donald Trump Jr: The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.
This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin.
“I will get Putin on this program and we will get Donald elected,” “Buddy our boy can become President of the USA and we can engineer it,” and “I will get all of Putins team to buy in on this.”
Some random troll wrote:Not to sound negative, but this team is owned by an arrogant cheapskate, managed by a moron and coached by an idiot. Recipe for disaster.
Wizardspride wrote:
http://www.heraldcourier.com/news/jones-seeking-support-of-women-in-alabama-senate-race/article_73a8ce4b-56aa-50d8-a8fd-17ebd6b6d0ae.html
dckingsfan wrote:
Actually, I think there are a bunch of charter/magnet schools in Montgomery County.
Agreed, some charters are bad - they tend to go by the wayside. Parents are pretty good at figuring out which schools work and don't work for their kids.
I like choice and competition - where it has been established it has worked really well. I think you are agreeing with that - so all good.
cammac wrote:Zonkerbl wrote:dckingsfan wrote:What we have now is so utterly broken - I could easily be convinced to go for a combination of vouchers, charters and public schools where there is some competition.
What is fascinating is that soooo many wanted federal involvement in education until it wasn't what they wanted
I feel like we have a lot of private sector responsiveness built into the school system already. In the DC area, the houses in the "high quality" public school pyramids are much, much more expensive than houses in the "low quality" areas, and in fact I did the math once (between BCC and Einstein, if memory serves) and the difference in price is basically equivalent to $13-$20k/year, interestingly enough the cost of sending one to one and a half children to private school.
The high property values consequently get baked into the school's funding as well, because we finance schools through property taxes.
Teachers also aggressively seek employment in the "higher quality" school districts. So we already have market response informing the funding the school district gets and the quality of teacher talent that gets attracted to the "high quality" school.
In other words, rich people can *already* pick up and move to "high quality" school districts, and the schools have an incentive to cater to wealthy families, by providing high quality education (including hiring high quality instructors), because property values go up and they get more property taxes as a consequence.
We *already have* a "public" school system that is highly responsive to market incentives.
The only thing that is missing is a way for highly talented children of poor parents to have access to the "higher quality" school districts. But Montgomery County has that in the form of the whole magnet school system. I took advantage of it myself, sending my kids to Spanish immersion schools in elementary school and then science/math magnet schools in Middle and High School.
I'm a little confused as to what the problem is the Republicans are trying to fix. If the problem is poor neighborhoods have crap schools, which IS A RESULT OF THE CURRENT SYSTEM RESPONDING TO MARKET FORCES (right?), how is making the system EVEN MORE RESPONSIVE TO MARKET SIGNALS going to make things *better*?
Ontario has what is called regional government in my case I live in the Niagara Region which encompasses 12 communities and my area called Niagara On The Lake is by far the most wealthy area with average property values approaching 1 million and over 10% of homes are secondary residences. But the municipal tax money is pooled in the regional government for education, policing, fire and municipal services. The quality of teachers and school funding is the same across the region and the Province also sets out maximum class sizes and teachers are paid the same.
DCZards wrote:dckingsfan wrote:Actually, I think there are a bunch of charter/magnet schools in Montgomery County.
Agreed, some charters are bad - they tend to go by the wayside. Parents are pretty good at figuring out which schools work and don't work for their kids.
I like choice and competition - where it has been established it has worked really well. I think you are agreeing with that - so all good.
There are no charter/magnet schools in Montgomery County. Only magnet schools. Charters and magnets are very different; charters are run by independent operators while magnets are run by the school district.
I agree with choice and competition for the most part. Although I think competition is overrated and can indeed be harmful when it comes to public education. In the absence of a level-playing field, which is an entrenched problem in public education, competition often leads to the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer.
Wizardspride wrote:I want to respond but man, that's quite a bit to digest.
I'll touch on a few of these:
1.) You have repeatedly claimed the dossier has been proven false...which is incorrect. Not everything has been proven (obviously) but several things have been proven accurate. I (and others) have posted about it for weeks now. If you're interested, look through the thread.
1.) The DOJ didn't use "opposition research" to justify surveilling Trump campaign members/associates. At least not initially. I think you're confusing the unmasking of certain people with the Steele dossier. It's understandable but those are completely different.
Let's discuss the "unmasking" first. That was requested by WH National Security Advisor Susan Rice.
I'll just post an article explaining:
http://www.newsweek.com/susan-rices-explains-why-she-unmasked-trump-officials-664726
Rice met with the House intelligence committee last week. Multiple sources told CNN Wednesday that Rice testified she unmasked the names of multiple members of the Trump campaign who were picked up on intelligence intercepts of foreign sources.
Her goal at the time, she said, was to find out who was meeting with United Arab Emirates crown prince Sheikh Mohammed bin Zayed al-Nahyan in New York last December after the election. In a break from custom, the prince had not told President Barack Obama he would be visiting the U.S.
Multiple sources confirmed to the broadcaster that Zayed met with Flynn, Kushner and Bannon.
U.S., European and Arab officials also confirmed to The Washington Post in April that the trio had met with Zayed.
During the three-hour discussion, CNN’s sources said, the group discussed the Middle East, including Iran and the Israeli-Palestinian peace process.
The meeting came shortly before a secret meeting around January 11 that the UAE brokered between Erik Prince—former owner of the controversial mercenary firm Blackwater and brother of Trump’s Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos—and a Russian close to President Vladimir Putin.
The meeting between Prince and the Russian took place on the Seychelles islands in the Indian Ocean. U.S., European and Arab officials told The Washington Post it was intended to set up back-channel communications between then President-elect Donald Trump and the Kremlin.
During Rice’s testimony last week, Representative Tom Rooney, the Republican from Florida and a member of the House intelligence committee, told CNN Wednesday, “I didn't hear anything to believe that she did anything illegal.”
South Carolina Republican Trey Gowdy, another committee member, told the Daily Caller “nothing that came up” during Rice’s interview “led me to conclude” she improperly unmasked the Trump officials.
Now let's talk about the Steele dossier/surveillance: Our intelligence agencies didn't just base their concerns off of the dossier. They were also warned by foreign intelligence agencies. I'm at work right now but you can find that info online. If you can't I'll post it for you when I get home.
I'll touch on the difference between Christopher Steele and wikileaks/assange etc. (Sorry for not tackling these in order)
Opposition research is SOP. We both know that. I look for dirt on you, you look for some on me. That's how the game is played.
I think you're fixated on the fact that Steele's sources (who he trusted from past experience) were Russian....just like Trump's "alledged" collusion with Russians.
There's a big difference: Steele was given info from a source(s) who happened to be Russian.
Trump alledgedly colluded with the Russian government itself using stolen info (emails etc) in an attempt to influence an election.
Even if you think it's all BS I don't see how you can remotely equate the two things.
I'll touch on some more of your points later.
PS: Seriously, check this thread out. A number of things in the dossier have been proven.
Wizardspride wrote:Pointgod wrote:Wizardspride wrote:I get being on a certain "team" (Rep/Dem) but if this doesn't at least make you pause for a second then I don't know what to say....
If they had the key to this information. Why didn't they go to the FBI with this information? That must be some type of crime (in contrast to when Al Gore's team got the debate prep material and contacted the authorities)
That's been my thought as well.
If you're consistently approached by parties claiming to represent the Russian govt, wouldn't you at some point say "Whoa, I better contact the authorities?"
But apparently that thought never crossed their mind.An example:
Rob Goldstone to Donald Trump Jr: The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.
This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin.
This is from Felix Sater. A friend of Trump.
This is an email to Michael Cohen (Trump's lawyer):“I will get Putin on this program and we will get Donald elected,” “Buddy our boy can become President of the USA and we can engineer it,” and “I will get all of Putins team to buy in on this.”
It’s unclear what, exactly, Sater meant when he emailed Cohen claiming that building a Trump Tower in Moscow would get Trump elected president. Was Sater merely engaging in some rather absurdly exaggerated hype about how a business deal in Russia could somehow make Trump popular in the United States? Or was he alluding to some sort of broader cooperation — or collusion — that Trump’s team could engage in with Putin’s team, to help get him elected?
Zonkerbl wrote:cammac wrote:Zonkerbl wrote:
I feel like we have a lot of private sector responsiveness built into the school system already. In the DC area, the houses in the "high quality" public school pyramids are much, much more expensive than houses in the "low quality" areas, and in fact I did the math once (between BCC and Einstein, if memory serves) and the difference in price is basically equivalent to $13-$20k/year, interestingly enough the cost of sending one to one and a half children to private school.
The high property values consequently get baked into the school's funding as well, because we finance schools through property taxes.
Teachers also aggressively seek employment in the "higher quality" school districts. So we already have market response informing the funding the school district gets and the quality of teacher talent that gets attracted to the "high quality" school.
In other words, rich people can *already* pick up and move to "high quality" school districts, and the schools have an incentive to cater to wealthy families, by providing high quality education (including hiring high quality instructors), because property values go up and they get more property taxes as a consequence.
We *already have* a "public" school system that is highly responsive to market incentives.
The only thing that is missing is a way for highly talented children of poor parents to have access to the "higher quality" school districts. But Montgomery County has that in the form of the whole magnet school system. I took advantage of it myself, sending my kids to Spanish immersion schools in elementary school and then science/math magnet schools in Middle and High School.
I'm a little confused as to what the problem is the Republicans are trying to fix. If the problem is poor neighborhoods have crap schools, which IS A RESULT OF THE CURRENT SYSTEM RESPONDING TO MARKET FORCES (right?), how is making the system EVEN MORE RESPONSIVE TO MARKET SIGNALS going to make things *better*?
Ontario has what is called regional government in my case I live in the Niagara Region which encompasses 12 communities and my area called Niagara On The Lake is by far the most wealthy area with average property values approaching 1 million and over 10% of homes are secondary residences. But the municipal tax money is pooled in the regional government for education, policing, fire and municipal services. The quality of teachers and school funding is the same across the region and the Province also sets out maximum class sizes and teachers are paid the same.
Communist!
yeah, me too. She admitted to doctoring the year book. which makes her credibility complete garbage
dckingsfan wrote:JWizmentality wrote:I don't know why you people continue to respond to him. It's not that hard to ignore. He's just spam at this point.
It is helpful to know what Trump supporters are thinking and their sources of information, no?
Some random troll wrote:Not to sound negative, but this team is owned by an arrogant cheapskate, managed by a moron and coached by an idiot. Recipe for disaster.
