Line-ups, rotation, analysis thread.

[tleikheen]

LOL...!
You really are kinda comical, kid.

What are you a racist , don't call elder men ..... a kid .....don't call anybody here a kid ,thats not your right to namecall like your uneducated and don't know how to talk .

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Forgive me. I don't think of a term like "kid" as having any negative connotation. Still it's a fair response on your part. If it does for you, well, I'll be more circumspect.

Thanks for pointing it out.

[AFM]

To be fair PIF is so old we are all kids to him

[doclinkin]

To be fair PIF is so old we are all kids to him

If you read the Bible carefully you can find PIF in Exodus trying to convince Moses to trade the 10th commandment for the 26th 28th and a prophet to be named later.

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LOL

[Dat2U]

Its funny when you consider that Jordan Goodwin has been everything we were expecting or hoping Delon Wright would be. It creates an interesting rotation decision when Delon returns. There's no way you bench Jordan Goodwin I'd hope. I'd like to see Wright/Goodwin split the PG minutes and slide Monte to backup SG. Kispert can get the backup SF minutes. Barton gets bounced from the rotation.

But since Barton has been an incredibly strong and consistent tank commander, I'm more than fine with him keeping his minutes.

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To be fair PIF is so old we are all kids to him

I don't think tleikheen is aware that I am older than he is.

All the same, he was absolutely correct to call me out for referring to him as "kid." I'm glad he did -- in fact, I'm grateful to him for doing it. It was demeaning on my part, & I regret it.

I hope he checks in & is willing to accept my apology.

As for you, AFM, you whippersnapper, I look forward to walking down 30th Tir Street with you one evening. Eat some spicy food, look at the pretty women ...circumspectly, of course.

Note: 30th Tir Street in Tehran, Iran is a busy walking street lined with stands selling all
kinds of prepared foods: local stuff, hamburgers/hot dogs, Mexican food... you name it.

[payitforward]

To be fair PIF is so old we are all kids to him

If you read the Bible carefully you can find PIF in Exodus trying to convince Moses to trade the 10th commandment for the 26th 28th and a prophet to be named later.

For the possibly 1 poster on this board, if there even is 1, who is even vaguely familiar with the 10th commandment, I fear I must admit that when I was a much younger man I did have some occasional problems with the "thy neighbor's wife" part of that one....

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Its funny when you consider that Jordan Goodwin has been everything we were expecting or hoping Delon Wright would be. It creates an interesting rotation decision when Delon returns. There's no way you bench Jordan Goodwin I'd hope. I'd like to see Wright/Goodwin split the PG minutes and slide Monte to backup SG. Kispert can get the backup SF minutes. Barton gets bounced from the rotation.

But since Barton has been an incredibly strong and consistent tank commander, I'm more than fine with him keeping his minutes.

Yeah... there is a terrible contradiction facing the Wizards fan....

But, if we're acting like fans in a normal year, I don't want to move Monte to the back up 2. Either Monte or Delon has to go -- it's just about who gets us the better return.

I just posted a suggested trade in the appropriate thread....

[dckingsfan]

Its funny when you consider that Jordan Goodwin has been everything we were expecting or hoping Delon Wright would be. It creates an interesting rotation decision when Delon returns. There's no way you bench Jordan Goodwin I'd hope. I'd like to see Wright/Goodwin split the PG minutes and slide Monte to backup SG. Kispert can get the backup SF minutes. Barton gets bounced from the rotation.

But since Barton has been an incredibly strong and consistent tank commander, I'm more than fine with him keeping his minutes.

Yeah... there is a terrible contradiction facing the Wizards fan....

But, if we're acting like fans in a normal year, I don't want to move Monte to the back up 2. Either Monte or Delon has to go -- it's just about who gets us the better return.

I just posted a suggested trade in the appropriate thread....

I would like us to have the Wright/Goodwin PG rotation next year. So... I would like to see Morris be the one that is moved.

[doclinkin]

To be fair PIF is so old we are all kids to him

If you read the Bible carefully you can find PIF in Exodus trying to convince Moses to trade the 10th commandment for the 26th 28th and a prophet to be named later.

For the possibly 1 poster on this board, if there even is 1, who is even vaguely familiar with the 10th commandment, I fear I must admit that when I was a much younger man I did have some occasional problems with the "thy neighbor's wife" part of that one....

Okay a *wife* to be named later.

[payitforward]

Its funny when you consider that Jordan Goodwin has been everything we were expecting or hoping Delon Wright would be. It creates an interesting rotation decision when Delon returns. There's no way you bench Jordan Goodwin I'd hope. I'd like to see Wright/Goodwin split the PG minutes and slide Monte to backup SG. Kispert can get the backup SF minutes. Barton gets bounced from the rotation.

But since Barton has been an incredibly strong and consistent tank commander, I'm more than fine with him keeping his minutes.

Yeah... there is a terrible contradiction facing the Wizards fan....

But, if we're acting like fans in a normal year, I don't want to move Monte to the back up 2. Either Monte or Delon has to go -- it's just about who gets us the better return.

I just posted a suggested trade in the appropriate thread....

I would like us to have the Wright/Goodwin PG rotation next year. So... I would like to see Morris be the one that is moved.

I have 3 responses to this, although I think that in the end they amount to the same thing:

1. We're a bottom-dweller. We're one of the worst teams in the league. What possible difference does it make what our PG rotation is next year? We're going to win 30-plus-a-few games next year no matter what our PG rotation.

2. Keep Wright & move Morris instead of the opposite? Sure, why not? I mean... makes no nevermind, but at least someone's happy!

3. Who we move & who we keep should depend on what we're offered for either of these players. Not that it's likely to wind up making a difference unless it's part of a far larger set of changes -- i.e. a plan to rebuild & an actual concern for / commitment to winning.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

If you read the Bible carefully you can find PIF in Exodus trying to convince Moses to trade the 10th commandment for the 26th 28th and a prophet to be namedj later.

For the possibly 1 poster on this board, if there even is 1, who is even vaguely familiar with the 10th commandment, I fear I must admit that when I was a much younger man I did have some occasional problems with the "thy neighbor's wife" part of that one....

Okay a *wife* to be named later.

Coveting is a beast…the one good thing about being over 60 is at least now hormones ain’t a problem and morals are predominantly ruling. Wasn’t the case back in the day, particularly when I was a young lieutenant.

[nate33]

Yeah... there is a terrible contradiction facing the Wizards fan....

But, if we're acting like fans in a normal year, I don't want to move Monte to the back up 2. Either Monte or Delon has to go -- it's just about who gets us the better return.

I just posted a suggested trade in the appropriate thread....

I would like us to have the Wright/Goodwin PG rotation next year. So... I would like to see Morris be the one that is moved.

I have 3 responses to this, although I think that in the end they amount to the same thing:

1. We're a bottom-dweller. We're one of the worst teams in the league. What possible difference does it make what our PG rotation is next year? We're going to win 30-plus-a-few games next year no matter what our PG rotation.

2. Keep Wright & move Morris instead of the opposite? Sure, why not? I mean... makes no nevermind, but at least someone's happy!

3. Who we move & who we keep should depend on what we're offered for either of these players. Not that it's likely to wind up making a difference unless it's part of a far larger set of changes -- i.e. a plan to rebuild & an actual concern for / commitment to winning.

Agree with this.

I like Wright more than Morris, but neither guy is part of our future so we should be open to trading either or both.

Frankly, there is nobody on the roster that I like well enough that I wouldn't trade. The only guys that I have any irrational attachment to are Deni and Goodwin. I'd part with anyone else in a fair value trade. With those 2, you might have to give me something slightly better than fair value to part with them.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Yeah... there is a terrible contradiction facing the Wizards fan....

But, if we're acting like fans in a normal year, I don't want to move Monte to the back up 2. Either Monte or Delon has to go -- it's just about who gets us the better return.

I just posted a suggested trade in the appropriate thread....

I would like us to have the Wright/Goodwin PG rotation next year. So... I would like to see Morris be the one that is moved.

I have 3 responses to this, although I think that in the end they amount to the same thing:

1. We're a bottom-dweller. We're one of the worst teams in the league. What possible difference does it make what our PG rotation is next year? We're going to win 30-plus-a-few games next year no matter what our PG rotation.

2. Keep Wright & move Morris instead of the opposite? Sure, why not? I mean... makes no nevermind, but at least someone's happy!

3. Who we move & who we keep should depend on what we're offered for either of these players. Not that it's likely to wind up making a difference unless it's part of a far larger set of changes -- i.e. a plan to rebuild & an actual concern for / commitment to winning.

I’m so numb to the losses that I don’t know which way to evaluate the Wizards. Lose now is the only thing I’m sure of.

Morris? Seems like he and Kuzma should be a package deal. Morris is a decent backup who doesn’t turn it over. He’s not as good as Wright defensively. Both would be great behind a top tier PG.

Davis is a player I would jettison with the quickness. He’s just a guy. Maybe in a couple years he’ll be a good role player but right now they need to trade him before his value tanks.

I think the player who is very likely a sell high player is Kyle Kuzma. Looking at Bobby Portis I’m certain Kuzma could go and help put another team over the top.

Seems to me that Dallas should be very interested in Gafford and Kuzma. So should Atlanta.

My other thought: Don’t move anyone. Just keep losing.

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Makes sense....
But, of course, if you trade bad players for fair value, I am sure I don't need to tell you what you get!

We really can't trade in order to become better this year or next year. We can trade to increase the possibility of becoming better two or three years from now.

That idea was the basis for the move I suggested in the trade thread:

Houston would like to move Eric Gordon -- who can blame them? Could we give them either Morris or Wright plus Kuzma & Rui in return for Gordon's corpse plus Tari Eason & Kenyon Martin Jr.? Or, if not Eason then substitute Usman Garuba?

We suffer with Gordon through next season. But, I remind you that we are on target to win 31 games this year. We wouldn't do worse based on this trade, & our future would be a good deal brighter.

No one has taken up this idea (nor should we discuss it in this thread). Kind of makes me wonder if there isn't some kind of delusional belief that having acquired KP we can somehow actually become "good" (or at least meaningfully better than we have been) in the short term.

As tleikheen has pointed out, a team that isn't likely to make a deep playoff run any time soon should be ready to trade present assets for ones that will bear fruit down the road.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I would like us to have the Wright/Goodwin PG rotation next year. So... I would like to see Morris be the one that is moved.

I have 3 responses to this, although I think that in the end they amount to the same thing:

1. We're a bottom-dweller. We're one of the worst teams in the league. What possible difference does it make what our PG rotation is next year? We're going to win 30-plus-a-few games next year no matter what our PG rotation.

2. Keep Wright & move Morris instead of the opposite? Sure, why not? I mean... makes no nevermind, but at least someone's happy!

3. Who we move & who we keep should depend on what we're offered for either of these players. Not that it's likely to wind up making a difference unless it's part of a far larger set of changes -- i.e. a plan to rebuild & an actual concern for / commitment to winning.

Agree with this.

I like Wright more than Morris, but neither guy is part of our future so we should be open to trading either or both.

Frankly, there is nobody on the roster that I like well enough that I wouldn't trade. The only guys that I have any irrational attachment to are Deni and Goodwin. I'd part with anyone else in a fair value trade. With those 2, you might have to give me something slightly better than fair value to part with them.

Honestly, I think rationally those are the two guys you really should hold onto. They produce above their salary.

I would keep them, Wright and Kispert. Beal and Porzingis are franchise pieces (but I’d love to trade Beal). Kispert is a grinder and I’m pretty sure he’s going to be a very reliable reserve for many years. I’d trade him only for a really good deal.

Keep Deni. Period. Dude has it.

Gafford would be a keeper if WUJ were not the coach. Free Gaff and trade him. There’s other players who are similarly skilled.

Rui I think is definitely on the trade block. There’s more than a bone bruise going on.

Goodwin is my favorite player similar to how I felt about Gafford the play in year. He brings energy.

If I were coach the STARTERS would be Goodwin, Advidja, Kuzma, GAFFORD, and Porzingis.

Deni and Jordan would be my guards sans Beal.

Kuzma would be. Team captain and point forward.

Kispert would be sixth man. Wright and Gibson would be last off bench.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Makes sense....
But, of course, if you trade bad players for fair value, I am sure I don't need to tell you what you get!

We really can't trade in order to become better this year or next year. We can trade to increase the possibility of becoming better two or three years from now.

That idea was the basis for the move I suggested in the trade thread:

Houston would like to move Eric Gordon -- who can blame them? Could we give them either Morris or Wright plus Kuzma & Rui in return for Gordon's corpse plus Tari Eason & Kenyon Martin Jr.? Or, if not Eason then substitute Usman Garuba?

We suffer with Gordon through next season. But, I remind you that we are on target to win 31 games this year. We wouldn't do worse based on this trade, & our future would be a good deal brighter.

No one has taken up this idea (nor should we discuss it in this thread). Kind of makes me wonder if there isn't some kind of delusional belief that having acquired KP we can somehow actually become "good" (or at least meaningfully better than we have been) in the short term.

As tleikheen has pointed out, a team that isn't likely to make a deep playoff run any time soon should be ready to trade present assets for ones that will bear fruit down the road.

I’d be all for almost any deal that returns Eric Gordon with Tari Eason. Can’t see the Rockets being interested in Kuzma, however,

[dckingsfan]

I would like the Wright/Goodwin PG rotation next year for a couple of reasons.

It "forces" Wes to consider a defensive PG with Beal. If we move Beal, this point is moot.

By moving one of or both of Morris/Wright, it gets Goodwin more minutes.

It gives Deni more a chance to initiate the offense. I would like to see where he is at over the next two years.

[tleikheen]

From the beginning when Rui won the SF position in training camp but the position was given to Deni , I thought the most impactful lineup would be KP,Kuz and Rui up front.
The best teams in the NBA can score points at a high level.It's no accident that the highest scoring teams are all near the top of the standings .Constantly the Wiz are outscored with Deni and Corey struggling to put points up with the amount of minutes they're playing.
I cant see KP,Beal,or Kuz playing in any way but to win so that means a lineup tweak needs to happen because Deni and Montae in the starting lineup isnt working. Goodwin and Rui need to replace Deni and Montae.
I would like to see a Delon Wright,Deni Avija,Daniel Gafford led 2nd unit.Add in Kispert and Morris in to complete the 2nd unit . Yes Barton needs to be phased out ,he is a supreme ballstopper and would kill ball movement of the 2nd unit.