nate33 wrote:prime1time wrote:nate33 wrote:I'm against Queen at the top of the draft. You can't afford to have a big man who is a defensive liability. Let's take a good look at the 4 examples you just cited.
Garland: Hiding a PG lis easier than hiding a bad defensive big. And frankly, we haven't yet seen if Garland is playable late in the playoffs. The Knicks took out Cleveland two years ago in Round 1. Last year they barely squeaked by Orlando 4-3 in Round 1, before being obliterated by Boston 4-1 (without Porzingis).
Jokic: He is the best offensive player of all time. Not a fair comparison.
KAT: Minnesota never went anywhere with KAT at center. They only did well when KAT was moved to PF where he was no longer a defensive liability. We will see about KAT at center with NY this year. I'm not optimistic.
Trae: Trae is Exhibit A in why having a poor defender in the rotation is nearly an insurmountable liability. What have the Hawks ever done in the Trae era?
A lot to unpack. Are you against drafting Queen at 4 or are you against drafting Queen at all? Are you claiming that we'd be worse off with Queen than without Queen. Queen still gives you some rim protection at 1.1 blocks a game. For comparison Mo Wagner at Michigan never averaged over 1 block a game. Sengun, Vukcevic, Sabonis are all in the same category. And I think Queen can be better offensively than all of them. I'd have to take some time to look at Queen's defense though. I think Maryland just hid him in switches but he did provide some rim protection. And if that's the case, he's similar to many bigs that play in the NBA. And he would also let Sarr play more of a rover roll instead of simply guarding the big.
I'm against drafting him at 4. With a pick that high, I need a guy I know can play in the second round of the playoffs.
Queen strikes me as a situational player. In the right matchup, he'll probably be awesome. But against the wrong team that can exploit a poor-defending big, he'll be close to unplayable. There's nothing wrong with having guys like that on your team, but I won't expend top tier draft capital to acquire one.
Lost my post. I was just gonna add, the Jazz now have a strong advantage to land the 1.01-1.05 odds. Fewer games to play, more losses, and a tougher schedule. That 7 win stretch at March just ruined our tank

. To make matters worse, we are within striking distance of the current 3rd slot side, only 2 wins behind them. Only saving grace is that it was primarily built upon young players like Sarr lighting it up (including some throw ins like AJ playing well, Champaigne playing well after the new deal I wasn't expecting etc).
80% chance of top 5 pick, 20% chance of total screw job and the 6th pick. So I assume the screw job with our terrible lottery history.
1-2: Easy, Flagg and Harper.
3-5: Harder, but I think Edgecome, Bailey, Maluach
5-6: Bailey, Maluach, Tre Johnson? Cannot figure out how to order them.
below 6: Trade out for a '25 first and '26 first from a win now team like the Spurs or Pistons who are done tanking? I don't know, I'd be so miserable if we land the 6 or 7 I don't think I'd give a ----, I'd go into 1000% believing in the curse, and feeling hopeless, with just 1% of me keeping an eye on the May '26 lottery.
I don't really care about Queen, he's interesting to me if were 7 or below, but it's such a HUGE loss to fall to that kind of tier after a season where we won like 9 games the first 5 months that I'd view the tanking effort as largely a failure in the '23-'25 phase, and in desperate need of massive luck in '26 (which is possible, I tend to think the Suns are gonna blow up the roster this summer or winter deadline '25-'26, and I think we also get some value from that other swap we got in '28 or whatever). The massive luck in '26 is possible, but really, a team like ours desperately needs to land a top 4 pick in '25, and a top 2-4 pick in '26 to really be in position to actually build a 50+ game winner, instead of yet another iteration of the 40-49 win sides we've topped out at in the '80-'25 era of misery as Boulez fans.