2012 NBA Draft - Part II

[tontoz]

Henson = Vesely 2.0.

Pass

[DCZards]

Henson = Vesely 2.0.

Not true. Henson is already a lot more polished than Vesely. He has at least the beginnings of a fair to decent game facing the basket and he'll be an impact player as a shotbocker if nothing else. Henson already shows more patience, poise and smarts than Javelle, imo.

[tontoz]

Henson = Vesely 2.0.

Not true. Henson is already a lot more polished than Vesely. He has at least the beginnings of a fair to decent game facing the basket and he'll be an impact player as a shotbocker if nothing else. Henson already shows more patience, poise and smarts than Javelle, imo.

I will go out on a limb and guess that Vesely would look a lot more polished against college kids and would be able to get to the rim fairly easily. No question he would be able to block 3 shots a game. Shelden Williams did that.

Neither can make foul shots.

[Dat2U]

So now every tall, athletic guy w/o perimeter skills gets the Vesely label? Ridiculous.

[tontoz]

So now every tall, athletic guy w/o perimeter skills gets the Vesely label? Ridiculous.

No. Skinny/weak bigs who can't shoot a lick get that label.

[theboomking]

I think a gooddebate may be developing on who to take at #2. Kidd-Gilchrist or Robinson. My personal preference is Kidd-Gilchrist but Robinson is a very solid choice in my book. The edge for me goes to the guy that's 2 and half years younger tho.

I think Gilchrist is the better prospect by a good margin. Not only is Kidd younger, but he is a better passer, has more ideal size for the position, and is a much better defender. I think it is understated on this board that Robinson isn't considered a very good defender. Very good scorer. Very good rebounder. Not much of a defender. Patric Young is a better help and man defender. I'd much rather have the prospect that makes a difference on both ends of the floor. And yes, I do know that Robinson had a big block at the end of Kansas' recent overtime win.

[Halcyon]

Let's just win the lotto.

[Ruzious]

I think a gooddebate may be developing on who to take at #2. Kidd-Gilchrist or Robinson. My personal preference is Kidd-Gilchrist but Robinson is a very solid choice in my book. The edge for me goes to the guy that's 2 and half years younger tho.

I think Gilchrist is the better prospect by a good margin. Not only is Kidd younger, but he is a better passer, has more ideal size for the position, and is a much better defender. I think it is understated on this board that Robinson isn't considered a very good defender. Very good scorer. Very good rebounder. Not much of a defender. Patric Young is a better help and man defender. I'd much rather have the prospect that makes a difference on both ends of the floor. And yes, I do know that Robinson had a big block at the end of Kansas' recent overtime win.

This is a good debate. Since Boom mentioned Gilchrist's passing as an advantage over Robinson, I have to bring up my doubts about that again. He plays on a team filled with guys who can either nail 3's all night long and/or dunk the ball 10 times a game and yet - with him as an excellent penetrator - he only gets 2 assists a game. That concerns me - he should be averaging 4 or 5 a game - if he's going to be Pippenesque. And we know his shooting is problematic. I've been impressed with Robinson's improvement in that area - especially recognizing double-teams and passing out of them. Having said that, either would be a fine addition to the Wiz. But just get Davis.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Another chance to see Robinson, Kansas vs Ok St on ESPN.

[hands11]

Another chance to see Robinson, Kansas vs Ok St on ESPN.

Man this kid is quick.

NBA ready body. Neck like a linebacker.
Sets the pick pretty well and moves great.
Good motor.
Great form on his FTs
He has a focused look in his eye.
Looks SMART

Looking good so far. I would take him over MKG if I had to choose right now. This kid could go #1

I would have no problem getting this kid and keeping Vesely. Even if we did keep the other young bigs. This kid fits nicely.


Robinson/Ves/Booker
McGee/Ronny/KS

With Ves and KS as hybrid PF/Centers who would have more time to develop which they need. Keep Ronny. Hell, load up. We have played short handed up front for way to long. It would be awesome to have some depth.

Then over spend on a SF like in Batum

Hell, I dont know anymore

Who they put up front isnt going to matter if they team dont have the right players at PG, SG and SF. Look around the league. Wade, LeBron, Melo, CP3, Nash, Durrant, Westbrook, D Rose, Kobe, etc.

[theboomking]

This is a good debate. Since Boom mentioned Gilchrist's passing as an advantage over Robinson, I have to bring up my doubts about that again. He plays on a team filled with guys who can either nail 3's all night long and/or dunk the ball 10 times a game and yet - with him as an excellent penetrator - he only gets 2 assists a game. That concerns me - he should be averaging 4 or 5 a game - if he's going to be Pippenesque. And we know his shooting is problematic. I've been impressed with Robinson's improvement in that area - especially recognizing double-teams and passing out of them. Having said that, either would be a fine addition to the Wiz. But just get Davis.[/quote]

I think that is a good point. I don't expect him to be Pippen. I don't think people appreciate how unique an athlete and player Pippen was. Gilchrist isn't as long as Pippen. Even though Michael is very athletic, I don't think he is as explosive as Pippen. Gilchrist handles the ball very well, but not as well as Pippen. Gilchrist certainly can't shoot like Pippen could. I don't expect him to pass as well as Pippen either. Scotty Pippen isn't a fair bar for Gilchrist. I think he is a different flavor or Nic Batum. A better rebounding, better ball handling, less accurate from the perimeter Nic Batum.

We have to keep in mind however that Gilchrist turned 18 in September. He is really, really young. As an 18yo, Gilchrist is averaging twice as many assists as Harrison Barnes is, on a very stacked NC team. He is averaging more assists than Robinson, who presumeably gets the ball in the post and has tons of opportunities to pass out of double teams to open shooters. Gilchrist may not look like a GOAT, but he certainly does pass and defend better than Robinson, and Barnes. Honestly, I might rather have Drummond than Robinson. At least with Drummond, you are getting a solid interior defender, and the possibility of a top 10 player if things go really well.

Truth be told, I still find myself enamoured of Barnes though. Robinson doesn't possess adequate size, or defend well enough for me to think he will be a great NBA player. Gilchrist has a lot of advantages over Barnes, but Barnes is a great complement to Wall, and is a good defender. It isn't like we'd be getting a shooting specialist. We'd be getting a very good two way player that would help us enormously in spreading the floor, and in our half court offense.

I know a lot of people don't think this team needs to be thinking about fit at this time and should be thinking of BPA, but at some point, we have to start putting together an actual team. Wall, Barnes, and Harden would be a great start.

[hands11]

Im also liking #40 Kevin Young. I cant believe his number look so weak. Ive never watched these guys before so this is all my first impressions.

Tyshawn Taylor is real fast. He just pulled a Wall coast to coast. Opps. He just feel on the ground trying to go one on one. But the kid lite it up tonight.

So can Robinson jump ? He doesnt seem to get up that well. He missed two dunks.

I guess I am more the find the gem in the lower picks type. Top picks usually get me uncomfortable. Seems like you can usually trade down and get more for better value.

[Higga]

I'm starting to like Robinson a lot too. We need guys who know how to play, and we need guys who can generate easy offense. Robinson is both. Obviously Unibrow is still the #1 pick but right now I'd be happy taking Robinson if we aren't picking first.

[Ruzious]

Right now, I have MKG and Robinson in a dead heat. MKG breaks the tie if he does 1 of 2 things in the NCAA tournament - hits a couple of 3's per game or gets 4 plus assists per game. If he does both, he's a lock - no matter what Robinson does.

[Zonkerbl]

Let's just win the lotto.

Yeah, right. Not with Stern in charge.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

New Jersey will probably win the lottery. They have a new arena on the way.

After them, although it is a small market, I would say the Kings will win it. Another team with an arena on the way.

Last, I wouldn't be shocked if the Warriors won it. Big market and they have a popular coach.

Just my guesses.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

For this team by virtue of PF being more an area of need and him being more ready, I would select Robinson. His rebounding and finishing will make him have an impact faster than MKG.

MKG doesn't shoot it very well, yet.

Like Ruzious, I would say MKG could do something special to overtake Robinson and become my #2 pick.

For now, however, Robinson to me is a pretty clear 2nd.

[closg00]

Does anyone think that Sully's stock will drop for fear of him becoming like this in the future?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc- ... _blog.html

[WizarDynasty]

Just curious but if we sign Jeff Green in the offseason as our small forward of the future, do you think he is a major down grade over the sf prospects in this draft. But if we do sign Jeff Green, who do we draft?

[Nivek]

Just curious but if we sign Jeff Green in the offseason as our small forward of the future, do you think he is a major down grade over the sf prospects in this draft. But if we do sign Jeff Green, who do we draft?

I don't get the fascination with Green aside from the fact that he played college ball locally. He's a good guy and I root for him, but he's mediocre at best. Only reasons to sign him are if he's cheap, short-term, and there aren't any options that are either better long-term or cheaper in the short-term.