GT #40: Sixers @ Wizards 2 PM MLK Jr. Day

[Kanyewest]

Beal has gotten better.

No he hasn't. PER, TS%, and efg% is almost exactly the same as last year (actually his numbers this year are a little down from last year).



Sorry, Beal has made relatively no improvement from last year. He's still not a very good player.

Beal did get better from the beginning of his rookie season when people were calling Beal a bust.

[Hypnotizer]

Singleton was -13 in 3 minutes.

He's the worst part of our roster.

[Ruzious]

1 Indiana 32 7 .821 - 21-1 11-6 6-2 22-5 98.1 88.2 +9.9 Won 4 8-2
2 Miami 29 11 .725 3 ½ 16-3 13-8 9-1 19-9 104.0 98.2 +5.8 Won 2 6-4
3 Atlanta 20 19 .513 12 14-6 6-13 4-5 13-11 101.7 100.8 +0.9 Lost 2 4-6
4 Toronto 20 20 .500 12 ½ 10-9 10-11 6-2 14-12 98.8 96.5 +2.3 Lost 2 5-5
5 Washington 20 20 .500 12 ½ 10-10 10-10 4-2 17-11 98.5 99.2 -0.7 Won 1 6-4
6 Chicago 19 20 .487 13 12-8 7-12 6-4 16-12 92.6 92.5 +0.1 Won 1 7-3
7 Brooklyn 16 22 .421 15 ½ 10-9 6-13 3-3 10-14 97.1 100.9 -3.8 Won 1 7-3
8 Charlotte 18 25 .419 16 10-12 8-13 1-7 15-14 94.0 96.8 -2.8 Won 1 4-6

Considering Atl has no Horford, I see it going down to Washington and Toronto for the 3rd spot.

Brooklyn seems to be playing a lot better - even without Lopez. I'm not sure whether or not that's sustainable,

Now that Augustin is becoming somewhat of a revelation in Chicago, I gotta wonder - did they screw up by trading Deng? The trade was good for them in the long run, but in the short run - it's a missed opportunity.

Wade and Lebron and Bosh aren't kids - it's not inconceivable one or two of them gets hurt for the playoffs. Then it's only Indiana that's a dominant team in the East. They seem to be more dependent on Bosh than they've ever been before.

[dangermouse]

Seraphin played well, great hustle, but my god he plays with blinkers on as soon as he catches the ball anywhere near the paint. Dude just puts his head down and tries to muscle/move his way to the rack or does a spin move and a little jumper.

Its like someone spilled soda on the pass button.

[stevemcqueen1]

Beal has gotten better.

No he hasn't. PER, TS%, and efg% is almost exactly the same as last year (actually his numbers this year are a little down from last year).



Sorry, Beal has made relatively no improvement from last year. He's still not a very good player.

Sure he's gotten better. I wonder how you could have watched him yesterday and concluded he hasn't gotten better, and moreover have that be one of the first things you complain about in a game thread for a game he completely dominated. To me that's just EG hate. I'm not a fan of EG, but it doesn't color everything I see.

Beal is a better scorer than last year. He's expanded his scoring arsenal and his offensive role, doing a lot more creating for himself now. He's not consistent yet, but he can dominate games from time to time in a way he couldn't before. Consistency will come in time. The numbers don't reflect his improvement yet because of the inconsistency and playing on the stress fracture.

[dckingsfan]

1 Indiana 32 7 .821 - 21-1 11-6 6-2 22-5 98.1 88.2 +9.9 Won 4 8-2
2 Miami 29 11 .725 3 ½ 16-3 13-8 9-1 19-9 104.0 98.2 +5.8 Won 2 6-4
3 Atlanta 20 19 .513 12 14-6 6-13 4-5 13-11 101.7 100.8 +0.9 Lost 2 4-6
4 Toronto 20 20 .500 12 ½ 10-9 10-11 6-2 14-12 98.8 96.5 +2.3 Lost 2 5-5
5 Washington 20 20 .500 12 ½ 10-10 10-10 4-2 17-11 98.5 99.2 -0.7 Won 1 6-4
6 Chicago 19 20 .487 13 12-8 7-12 6-4 16-12 92.6 92.5 +0.1 Won 1 7-3
7 Brooklyn 16 22 .421 15 ½ 10-9 6-13 3-3 10-14 97.1 100.9 -3.8 Won 1 7-3
8 Charlotte 18 25 .419 16 10-12 8-13 1-7 15-14 94.0 96.8 -2.8 Won 1 4-6

Considering Atl has no Horford, I see it going down to Washington and Toronto for the 3rd spot.

Brooklyn seems to be playing a lot better - even without Lopez. I'm not sure whether or not that's sustainable,

Now that Augustin is becoming somewhat of a revelation in Chicago, I gotta wonder - did they screw up by trading Deng? The trade was good for them in the long run, but in the short run - it's a missed opportunity.

Wade and Lebron and Bosh aren't kids - it's not inconceivable one or two of them gets hurt for the playoffs. Then it's only Indiana that's a dominant team in the East. They seem to be more dependent on Bosh than they've ever been before.

Good points... I do think that ATL will start to drop out... then then go and beat the heat.

Toronto is playing pretty well... ugh

Chicago isn't dropping out like I thought - even though they were sure they were going to tank.

And Brooklyn is hot - passing the ball well and actually playing D

So... I don't see any of ATL, Toronto, Chicago or Brooklyn dropping out.

I think you now need to win 37 games (??) to stay out of the dreaded 7 and 8 slots - not sure if that is how you see it?

[dobrojim]

1 Indiana 32 7 .821 - 21-1 11-6 6-2 22-5 98.1 88.2 +9.9 Won 4 8-2
2 Miami 29 11 .725 3 ½ 16-3 13-8 9-1 19-9 104.0 98.2 +5.8 Won 2 6-4
3 Atlanta 20 19 .513 12 14-6 6-13 4-5 13-11 101.7 100.8 +0.9 Lost 2 4-6
4 Toronto 20 20 .500 12 ½ 10-9 10-11 6-2 14-12 98.8 96.5 +2.3 Lost 2 5-5
5 Washington 20 20 .500 12 ½ 10-10 10-10 4-2 17-11 98.5 99.2 -0.7 Won 1 6-4
6 Chicago 19 20 .487 13 12-8 7-12 6-4 16-12 92.6 92.5 +0.1 Won 1 7-3
7 Brooklyn 16 22 .421 15 ½ 10-9 6-13 3-3 10-14 97.1 100.9 -3.8 Won 1 7-3
8 Charlotte 18 25 .419 16 10-12 8-13 1-7 15-14 94.0 96.8 -2.8 Won 1 4-6

dude,

this formatted terribly on my screen

instead, why not just post this link

http://www.nba.com/standings/team_recor ... f:nba:gnav

[dobrojim]

good win despite the 6er run against all bench.

TOR, CHI and ATL, maybe BRK too, are or have been playing well.
We need to do likewise. MIA is looking suddenly vulnerable. That
could change but Indy continues to look dominant.

Nice to see both KS and Ves not be turrible when they get a chance.
Both had solid outings yesterday.

y'all need to relax on OP. He's still way behind. Yesterday wasn't good
but from everything we heard before and since the draft, he's a hard
worker and mostly just needs minutes. Unfortunately for him, he's
3rd on the totem pole so minutes are scarce.

[noworriesinmd]

Seraphin played well, great hustle, but my god he plays with blinkers on as soon as he catches the ball anywhere near the paint. Dude just puts his head down and tries to muscle/move his way to the rack or does a spin move and a little jumper.

Its like someone spilled soda on the pass button.

LOL, Seraphin is such a black hole. He refuses to pass. He gets the ball and forgets there are 4 other people on the court.

[DCZards]

Of course Beal has gotten better. It's pretty obvious if you watch him play and don't rely solely on stats. Yeah there's a lot of room for improvement, but those expecting a 20 yr old, second yr. player to make instant improvement and play consistent ball are being a little shortsighted.

The "he's not improving" stuff kind of reminds me of what some posters were saying about Wall a couple of years ago. Takes time for a young in' to consistently excel in the NBA.

[dckingsfan]

1 Indiana 32 7 .821 - 21-1 11-6 6-2 22-5 98.1 88.2 +9.9 Won 4 8-2
2 Miami 29 11 .725 3 ½ 16-3 13-8 9-1 19-9 104.0 98.2 +5.8 Won 2 6-4
3 Atlanta 20 19 .513 12 14-6 6-13 4-5 13-11 101.7 100.8 +0.9 Lost 2 4-6
4 Toronto 20 20 .500 12 ½ 10-9 10-11 6-2 14-12 98.8 96.5 +2.3 Lost 2 5-5
5 Washington 20 20 .500 12 ½ 10-10 10-10 4-2 17-11 98.5 99.2 -0.7 Won 1 6-4
6 Chicago 19 20 .487 13 12-8 7-12 6-4 16-12 92.6 92.5 +0.1 Won 1 7-3
7 Brooklyn 16 22 .421 15 ½ 10-9 6-13 3-3 10-14 97.1 100.9 -3.8 Won 1 7-3
8 Charlotte 18 25 .419 16 10-12 8-13 1-7 15-14 94.0 96.8 -2.8 Won 1 4-6

dude,

this formatted terribly on my screen

instead, why not just post this link

http://www.nba.com/standings/team_recor ... f:nba:gnav

Good point... I was trying to see if I could format correctly from an iPad - epic fail

[Darko Miliminutes]

Beal's definitely making an effort to drive recently. Even the 2-14 stinker, had a few nice attempts at getting to the hoop. Sure is improving. Now to get this min. restrictions over with.

[drstone22]

Beal is 20 years old and still growing according to one report and he is averaging 15 ppg in the freaking nba.

The kid deserves more time !

Regarding the style if play now all threes and drives are not the answer all the time. In the Detroit game the pistons defense was focused on running our shooters off the line the strength of the team is inside d so IMHO you have to take what was available. Sure the wizards lost but if they hit some more fts and or beal doesn't have his worst ever game the bullets would have won.

[closg00]

Seraphin played well, great hustle, but my god he plays with blinkers on as soon as he catches the ball anywhere near the paint. Dude just puts his head down and tries to muscle/move his way to the rack or does a spin move and a little jumper.

Its like someone spilled soda on the pass button.

LOL, Seraphin is such a black hole. He refuses to pass. He gets the ball and forgets there are 4 other people on the court.

I think it's because he has such bad bobble-hands.

[dckingsfan]

Beal is 20 years old and still growing according to one report and he is averaging 15 ppg in the freaking nba.

The kid deserves more time !

He is averaging 33.1 mpg - how much more time do you want to give him?

Really, not much about his stat line has changed since his rookie season. I think he just needs time - but I would have said that 33 mpg is too many, not the other way around.

[Ruzious]

Of course Beal has gotten better. It's pretty obvious if you watch him play and don't rely solely on stats. Yeah there's a lot of room for improvement, but those expecting a 20 yr old, second yr. player to make instant improvement and play consistent ball are being a little shortsighted.

The "he's not improving" stuff kind of reminds me of what some posters were saying about Wall a couple of years ago. Takes time for a young in' to consistently excel in the NBA.

He hasn't improved since the second half of last season. I can tell that from watching the games and looking at the stats. That's not saying he won't improve - I'm sure he will. I won't just assume he'll be a star, though. I think it's reasonable to monitor whether or not a young player is improving.

[DCZards]

Beal is 20 years old and still growing according to one report and he is averaging 15 ppg in the freaking nba.

The kid deserves more time !

He is averaging 33.1 mpg - how much more time do you want to give him?

Really, not much about his stat line has changed since his rookie season. I think he just needs time - but I would have said that 33 mpg is too many, not the other way around.

I think drstone was talking about "more time" in terms of experience and not minutes per game.

[dckingsfan]

Beal is 20 years old and still growing according to one report and he is averaging 15 ppg in the freaking nba.

The kid deserves more time !

He is averaging 33.1 mpg - how much more time do you want to give him?

Really, not much about his stat line has changed since his rookie season. I think he just needs time - but I would have said that 33 mpg is too many, not the other way around.

I think drstone was talking about "more time" in terms of experience and not minutes per game.

errrr - ooops

[drstone22]

Exactly. When I was twenty years old I could barely make it through college. Additionally the season is so long that it's not feasible for normal humans to drive and get knocked down 10 tines a game and not get hurt. See Westbrook rose. D Williams etc. you have to pick your
spots.

[dckingsfan]

Of course Beal has gotten better. It's pretty obvious if you watch him play and don't rely solely on stats. Yeah there's a lot of room for improvement, but those expecting a 20 yr old, second yr. player to make instant improvement and play consistent ball are being a little shortsighted.

The "he's not improving" stuff kind of reminds me of what some posters were saying about Wall a couple of years ago. Takes time for a young in' to consistently excel in the NBA.

He hasn't improved since the second half of last season. I can tell that from watching the games and looking at the stats. That's not saying he won't improve - I'm sure he will. I won't just assume he'll be a star, though. I think it's reasonable to monitor whether or not a young player is improving.

Something I brought up as well - but there were some pretty compelling arguments that the big jump would come in year 3.