Official Trade Thread - Part XXVIII

[Ruzious]

Great time to be a Wizards fan, EG is having a surprisingly good off season

The Wizards fan in me is just waiting for the devastating Wall injury to happen. Good things don't happen to the Wizards. If we actually get a good team, our bad luck will make sure we never get to enjoy it.

The cynical Wizards fan in me says Ariza was last season's most effective Wizard. He was the best defender. He was let go and Gortat was very well compensated. Pierce is older, and increased injury risk plus inability to keep up with SF are valid concerns. Another concern I have is will Wittman play veterans too many minutes? Also, the Wizards still need a quick combo guard and they could use a shotblocker with quickness and length.

As good as this offseason has gone I don't know if this past season's good playoff chemistry can be duplicated. How much has the team improved if at all? Is there any guarantee that Wittman won't just play Pierce too many minutes, while Porter and Rice sit on the bench?

Because I think Ariza should have been resigned I give this offseason just a B+ and not an A. Gortat was resigned and both Pierce and Humphries are solid additions who signed excellent Wizards contracts.

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Yeah, I don't think they're any better going into the season than they were last season, but I don't really have a problem with that - in the expectation that they're trying to stay solid for 2 years and then go for something better after that.

I'm more worried that young guys Wall and Beal play too many minutes because of their lack of backcourt depth. Porter should be getting as many minutes as Webster got, and Webster should be left out of the rotation. He's going to miss at least the first month of the season, anyway, so you know Porter's going to at least be in the rotation to start the season. I think people are jumping the gun on Rice, because he's doing well in SL. It's worth repeating - SL means very little, because every year - people forget that. If he develops, that's great. It's not something I expect based on what I saw last season, his history, and the comments made about him needing to understand what working hard really means.

[verbal8]

Because I think Ariza should have been resigned I give this offseason just a B+ and not an A. Gortat was resigned and both Pierce and Humphries are solid additions who signed excellent Wizards contracts.

I am generally not an EG fan, but I would have to give this season a B+. The Pierce and Humphries signings should get As. Retaining Gooden is also an A. Adding Birch to the summer league team is an A, even if he ultimately doesn't make the team.

Booker and Ariza wouldn't dramatically affect the grade, since they were replaced with options that allowed a little better flexibility, but probably a net downgrade in production.

The big drag on EG's offseason grade is the Gortat deal. They had to keep him, so I can't go lower than a C. However the big problem is paying him nearly $14 million when he is 35. A declining deal would have him just under $10 million at that point.

[mhd]

If we are looking to maximize the Durant cap space, would Webster for Henderson work? Charlotte gets some needed shooting, while Henderson gives us a defensive wing.

[hands11]

Great time to be a Wizards fan, EG is having a surprisingly good off season

The Wizards fan in me is just waiting for the devastating Wall injury to happen. Good things don't happen to the Wizards. If we actually get a good team, our bad luck will make sure we never get to enjoy it.

The cynical Wizards fan in me says Ariza was last season's most effective Wizard. He was the best defender. He was let go and Gortat was very well compensated. Pierce is older, and increased injury risk plus inability to keep up with SF are valid concerns. Another concern I have is will Wittman play veterans too many minutes? Also, the Wizards still need a quick combo guard and they could use a shotblocker with quickness and length.

As good as this offseason has gone I don't know if this past season's good playoff chemistry can be duplicated. How much has the team improved if at all? Is there any guarantee that Wittman won't just play Pierce too many minutes, while Porter and Rice sit on the bench?

Because I think Ariza should have been resigned I give this offseason just a B+ and not an A. Gortat was resigned and both Pierce and Humphries are solid additions who signed excellent Wizards contracts.

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You are obsessing CCJ

Let it go.

Lean forward.

We have all heard your take on Trevor and I don't think there are many fans here how don't value what TA did now and in part share in the that we didn't get him to a good 2 years deal.

Don't project the worst. Don't give into fear. Now is the time to let your Wizards flag fly and have some fun.

They added PP, Humpries and D Blair and signed everyone to good 2 year contracts and are targeting Kevin Durant.

If you can't let go and have fun being a Wizards fan now, you are just missing out.

Just let God and TIG it all works out.

[hands11]

If we are looking to maximize the Durant cap space, would Webster for Henderson work? Charlotte gets some needed shooting, while Henderson gives us a defensive wing.

I was just thinking about that. Would they trade Webster at this point because he is injured.

Not sure they would do that now. I think they respect Webby and want him to be a part of this. But they might well trade him at some point during the season when he gets back on the court.

If they were cut throat, they would trade him now. But something tells me they don't want to be that kind of franchise. Webby was one of the first of the vets to get added that started to help turn this around. I think they are going to allow him to be a part of it.

When healthy, he was deadly from 3 range.

[krii]

Do you remember that Wiz have Tomas Satoransky`s rights? He was a shining star last season in Spain and was just transfered to Barcelona (one of the leading European clubs). The same place that Ricky Rubio was playing before moving to Minnesota...

Is it possible to sign him next season if he still will play that good?

[Illmatic12]

Do you remember that Wiz have Tomas Satoransky`s rights? He was a shining star last season in Spain and was just transfered to Barcelona (one of the leading European clubs). The same place that Ricky Rubio was playing before moving to Minnesota...

Is it possible to sign him next season if he still will play that good?

His camp recently said that he has no interest in playing for the Wizards..

[Ruzious]

If we are looking to maximize the Durant cap space, would Webster for Henderson work? Charlotte gets some needed shooting, while Henderson gives us a defensive wing.

I was just thinking about that. Would they trade Webster at this point because he is injured.

Not sure they would do that now. I think they respect Webby and want him to be a part of this. But they might well trade him at some point during the season when he gets back on the court.

If they were cut throat, they would trade him now. But something tells me they don't want to be that kind of franchise. Webby was one of the first of the vets to get added that started to help turn this around. I think they are going to allow him to be a part of it.

When healthy, he was deadly from 3 range.

If they could trade Webster for nothing right now, they'd do it. Respect and a dollar will get you a chocolate cake donut with sprinkles at Dunkin Donuts. They can't only because nobody in their right mind would take him. He's had 3 back operations. At this point, It's not realistic to think he's going to come back to what he physically used to be. In the mean time, he's getting paid to play like he used to.

[Rafael122]

Safe to say the only person who might be traded is Webster? If all else fails, they could always use the stretch provision on him

[pcbothwel]

Safe to say the only person who might be traded is Webster? If all else fails, they could always use the stretch provision on him

Im not worried about Webster in the least. I think by the time next year ends he'll prove that he is what he is, a solid backup 2/3 on a very good contract (2yr/11M deal). With the way these salaries are skyrocketing, dumping his last year is going to be cake.

There is going to be a ridiculous amount of cap space in 2016 with the new TV deal set to push the cap to 80-90M. Once the Lebrons and Durants have signed, teams will need players and Webster will be a good deal at that point.

[Ruzious]

Safe to say the only person who might be traded is Webster? If all else fails, they could always use the stretch provision on him

Im not worried about Webster in the least. I think by the time next year ends he'll prove that he is what he is, a solid backup 2/3 on a very good contract (2yr/11M deal). With the way these salaries are skyrocketing, dumping his last year is going to be cake.

There is going to be a ridiculous amount of cap space in 2016 with the new TV deal set to push the cap to 80-90M. Once the Lebrons and Durants have signed, teams will need players and Webster will be a good deal at that point.

It's not 2 years; it's 3. Webster's got a minimum to 2.5 mil guaranteed in 2016/2017, and all of his 5.8 mil that year becomes guaranteed if he meets a games played requirement (180 games over 3 years).

[pcbothwel]

Safe to say the only person who might be traded is Webster? If all else fails, they could always use the stretch provision on him

Im not worried about Webster in the least. I think by the time next year ends he'll prove that he is what he is, a solid backup 2/3 on a very good contract (2yr/11M deal). With the way these salaries are skyrocketing, dumping his last year is going to be cake.

There is going to be a ridiculous amount of cap space in 2016 with the new TV deal set to push the cap to 80-90M. Once the Lebrons and Durants have signed, teams will need players and Webster will be a good deal at that point.

It's not 2 years; it's 3. Webster's got a minimum to 2.5 mil guaranteed in 2016/2017, and all of his 5.8 mil that year becomes guaranteed if he meets a games played requirement (180 games over 3 years).

I know, I said when next year ends... as in, next off-season. Worse case scenerio is we wait until 2016 offseason when his 5.8M expiring contract would be easy to dump because of what I said in the 2nd paragraph.

[Ruzious]

Im not worried about Webster in the least. I think by the time next year ends he'll prove that he is what he is, a solid backup 2/3 on a very good contract (2yr/11M deal). With the way these salaries are skyrocketing, dumping his last year is going to be cake.

There is going to be a ridiculous amount of cap space in 2016 with the new TV deal set to push the cap to 80-90M. Once the Lebrons and Durants have signed, teams will need players and Webster will be a good deal at that point.

It's not 2 years; it's 3. Webster's got a minimum to 2.5 mil guaranteed in 2016/2017, and all of his 5.8 mil that year becomes guaranteed if he meets a games played requirement (180 games over 3 years).

I know, I said when next year ends... as in, next off-season. Worse case scenerio is we wait until 2016 offseason when his 5.8M expiring contract would be easy to dump because of what I said in the 2nd paragraph.

The clear thing you said is that he's got a 2 year/11 mil contract. What he's really got is 3 years at between 13.5 and 16.9 mil. And given the amount of teams trying to save money for the 2016 offseason, Webster will likely be very difficult to trade without adding a first round pick.

[pcbothwel]

It's not 2 years; it's 3. Webster's got a minimum to 2.5 mil guaranteed in 2016/2017, and all of his 5.8 mil that year becomes guaranteed if he meets a games played requirement (180 games over 3 years).

I know, I said when next year ends... as in, next off-season. Worse case scenerio is we wait until 2016 offseason when his 5.8M expiring contract would be easy to dump because of what I said in the 2nd paragraph.

The clear thing you said is that he's got a 2 year/11 mil contract. What he's really got is 3 years at between 13.5 and 16.9 mil. And given the amount of teams trying to save money for the 2016 offseason, Webster will likely be very difficult to trade without adding a first round pick.

Not going to argue with you as I made my point clear. And again, in the summer of 2016 there is going to be a ton of money thrown around and not enough quality players to give it to. When guys like Chase Budinger get deals for 8M a year and Terrance Ross gets 10M+, plenty of teams would happily take Webster for 1/5.8M...There is no way a 1st would need to be included. Hell, Gerald friggin Henderson will proabably get 8M a year

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

It's not 2 years; it's 3. Webster's got a minimum to 2.5 mil guaranteed in 2016/2017, and all of his 5.8 mil that year becomes guaranteed if he meets a games played requirement (180 games over 3 years).

I know, I said when next year ends... as in, next off-season. Worse case scenerio is we wait until 2016 offseason when his 5.8M expiring contract would be easy to dump because of what I said in the 2nd paragraph.

The clear thing you said is that he's got a 2 year/11 mil contract. What he's really got is 3 years at between 13.5 and 16.9 mil. And given the amount of teams trying to save money for the 2016 offseason, Webster will likely be very difficult to trade without adding a first round pick.

If Webster doesn't get minutes he's going to be super hard to trade.

OTOH, if Washington makes the playoffs and has Webster making key plays that the media talks up, (like Kerr talked up Booker), other teams will want Webster. He will be tradeable.

Who knows. Webster and Nene's expiring deal could one day help facilitate bringing a certain superstar to Washington.

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[SUPERBALLMAN]

Ok, just gonna throw this out there... Not saying I want to do this, but for the sake of discussion...

Detroit looking to deal Josh Smith...


What about Nene & Porter for Smith?

Main drawback is it would essentially eliminate Wizards from Durant contention.

Why for Detroit? Gets them outta massive contract a year sooner. Gives them a sf to build on with Monroe and Drummond, and a talented vet who can mentor and back up both of them.

Wizards get a stud PF who at 28 is in his prime, to team up with Beal and Wall. His skill set could be a perfect match with Wall.

Maybe can get it done with Nene and 2015 1st if want to keep Porter.

[Darko Miliminutes]

Can't help but be curious about bench relief for the backcourt. Would like a combo guard added. Was hoping to see interest in Stuckey, but that option is gone. Definitely need a decent combo guard.

[Darko Miliminutes]

Do you remember that Wiz have Tomas Satoransky`s rights? He was a shining star last season in Spain and was just transfered to Barcelona (one of the leading European clubs). The same place that Ricky Rubio was playing before moving to Minnesota...

Is it possible to sign him next season if he still will play that good?

His camp recently said that he has no interest in playing for the Wizards..

I'm foggy on this, but i thought they said no interest in playing for the Wizards summer league team??

I know he's playing for good money right now, but i thought there was still some hope in him making his way to Washington in the next couple years.

[Error Afflalo]

Ok, just gonna throw this out there... Not saying I want to do this, but for the sake of discussion...

Detroit looking to deal Josh Smith...


What about Nene & Porter for Smith?

Main drawback is it would essentially eliminate Wizards from Durant contention.

Why for Detroit? Gets them outta massive contract a year sooner. Gives them a sf to build on with Monroe and Drummond, and a talented vet who can mentor and back up both of them.

Wizards get a stud PF who at 28 is in his prime, to team up with Beal and Wall. His skill set could be a perfect match with Wall.

Maybe can get it done with Nene and 2015 1st if want to keep Porter.

I wouldn't do it. I don't think he's a significant enough upgrade over Nene to punt on a chance at Durant.

[TGW]

I wouldn't trade Nene straight up for Smith. You want to add Porter too...jeez.