Woj: Nets trade Bogdanovic to Wizards

[gtn130]

The same McCullough who's played 72 minutes all season for the worst team in the NBA? No one was giving up a first for him.

Exactly this. Some of y'all are erroneously implying that the inclusion of CMC is the equivalent of acquiring the 28th pick - literally nobody would trade a late first for him right now. He's simply not worth that. ACL tear or not - not even making the roster on the worst team in the league is a bad look.

hmm no one would give up a 1st for a lottery level high upside forward, maybe

no one would give up a 1st for a rental for a scorer shooter like Bojan

no one gives up a 1st to only dump nicholson.

wait a minute, we did all three with one pick? wait that seems like a good idea but since my robot brain is telling me to hate EG i will complain!!

I don't think I understand what you're getting at here.

But I haven't really complained about the trade at all. I think the trade is fine since we ostensibly had to get rid of Nicholson. EG created the Nicholson problem, though.

Only thing I've disagreed with is the enthusiasm for CMC.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Pluses:
Probably better than Thornton or Nicholson
Get rid of Thornton or Nicholson
Can hit a three

Minuses:
Traded away a 1st
In last year of cheapie contract. If he's good, he'll cost, if not...
Doesn't really adress guard depth, does it?

Question:
Can he effectively play SG or stretch 4? If not, seems to be some redundancy.

God forbid should Beal experience an injury, but Bogdanovich can start at SG. He's a no-defense but pretty good offense player.

[pcbothwel]

ITS NOT A 1ST FOR BOGDONOVICH HOLY ****. The 1st round value is McCullough. My god

The same McCullough who's played 72 minutes all season for the worst team in the NBA? No one was giving up a first for him.

Exactly this. Some of y'all are erroneously implying that the inclusion of CMC is the equivalent of acquiring the 28th pick - literally nobody would trade a late first for him right now. He's simply not worth that. ACL tear or not - not even making the roster on the worst team in the league is a bad look.

Dont care what it "Looks" like. The fact is the Nets are playing for the future and are building a good organization. McCullough was a raw prospect that didnt play for 14 months. When he played this year, he played well. But a player like McCullough needs minutes to get his confidence back and build skills, so the Nets sent him to the D-League where he is playing 32 MPG and averaging 18 and 8.

I'd say he worth about the 35th pick in the draft. So we can look at it as moving down 10-12 spots to swap Nicholson for Bojan

[Veyron]

Bojan is better then you think .

[Dark Faze]

A young player who plays for a **** team would be incredible if they were shooting Korver percentages. It's hard to get open looks on a **** team.

bro he's 27.

And so is Kieff.

But... that late first round draft pick bust that we could've had...

at least kieff was signed for many years man

we just traded for .5 years of a guy

[relinquishy]

Not possible because with the benefit of hindsight, Bogdan will be scooped up by another team in free agency. This is a loss either way. Either he is great and can't be resigned because Yawn's 16M contract, or he's so-so and proves to be not worth a 1st in a loaded draft.

But he won't because he's RESTRICTED.

Restricted in the sense that the wizards can match another teams offer, but the Wizards are already so close to the lux tax threshold (presuming they resign Porter at max or near max), they can't afford to match any contracts received by Bogdan. He's gone after this year.

No one will be giving Bojan that big of a deal. Also, the cap will balloon more and Nicholson if off the books. I could see a 3 years 30 million deal, and also, most teams don't match deals for your average good RFA because more often that not it's a waste of time. Also Thornton is also off the books.

[gambitx777]

Ok so every one and there mother week said two things, I want to trade for a young guy with potential on a good deal with our pick and we need to call up someone from the D league. We jsut did both. McCullough has been playing in the D leauge this year and they kid is playing good ball. 18 PPG 8 RBPG almost a block and a steal and a half per game, shooting 35% from 3 and 45 over all hes playing pretty well. He has potential, he is athletic and he is a good defender and when you factor in that bigs normally take a little time to season. This was a decent move. Bogdanavic does what we need, bench scoring. He is going to shoot the lights out off the bench and ! if we force play him at the SG spot that means we are going to see a lot more of Tomas at PG because you can not play bogdanavic with burke. You just can't You can hid him on D better than Lou williams because of his size and overall rebounding ability. Also Yall know he is a restricted free agent right so if we can clear cap we can keep him or if we are willing to pay the tax. we can keep him.
We paid 1 first round pick, to dump a bad contract that no one wanted, get a good solid rotation player to help bench scoring and we got a young PF who will get minutes behind morris! Chill, this was not a bad trade. Let see if EG can pull something else off for a PG.

[nate33]

It should be

Wall Sato
Beal Bojan
Porter Oubre
Keef McCullough
Gortat Mahinmi

I'm telling you guys, he got the exact type of talent you would pick with that late 1st and added a scorer while ridding us of a terrible contract, there is literally nothing to complain about on this one

Except that if you draft a guy, there's that 1 in 4 chance that he actually pans out to be a legit, rotation caliber player. McCullough is like drafting the guy that you know is not going to pan out. We can safely conclude that he's not a diamond in the rough. He's just... rough.

You guys are ridiculous. I remember in the 2015 draft everyone "Knew" EG was going to trade the pick for some "Middling, almost 30 y/o Vet". And if by the off chance he suprised people and didnt trade it, "He was Definitly picking some older, low ceiling rookie like Jerian Grant or Delon Wright"... But then he picked Oubre, and people still complained.\

Now you "Know" CMC wont pan out. Why? Because he was a raw player out of college that tore his ACL and dint play for over 14 months.
Gee, I dont know, maybe their organization run by a solid GM wanted him to get consistent minutes in the D-League because of how little he had played in the prior two years

I definitely wouldn't characterize the reaction like that. I think the group think on this board was pushing hard for Portis, but when Oubre was selected, many thought it was an interesting, swing-for-the-fences type of pick. I know I didn't hate the pick.

There aren't many instances of players paying off who got 72 minutes of playing time in their second season while on a lotto team.

[gtn130]

The same McCullough who's played 72 minutes all season for the worst team in the NBA? No one was giving up a first for him.

Exactly this. Some of y'all are erroneously implying that the inclusion of CMC is the equivalent of acquiring the 28th pick - literally nobody would trade a late first for him right now. He's simply not worth that. ACL tear or not - not even making the roster on the worst team in the league is a bad look.

Dont care what it "Looks" like. The fact is the Nets are playing for the future and are building a good organization. McCullough was a raw prospect that didnt play for 14 months. When he played this year, he played well. But a player like McCullough needs minutes to get his confidence back and build skills, so the Nets sent him to the D-League where he is playing 32 MPG and averaging 18 and 8.

I'd say he worth about the 35th pick in the draft. So we can look at it as moving down 10-12 spots to swap Nicholson for Bojan

your arbitrary assessment of CMC's market value is noted.

[Dark Faze]

But he won't because he's RESTRICTED.

Restricted in the sense that the wizards can match another teams offer, but the Wizards are already so close to the lux tax threshold (presuming they resign Porter at max or near max), they can't afford to match any contracts received by Bogdan. He's gone after this year.

No one will be giving Bojan that big of a deal. Also, the cap will balloon more and Nicholson if off the books. I could see a 3 years 30 million deal, and also, most teams don't match deals for your average good RFA because more often that not it's a waste of time. Also Thornton is also off the books.

the sixers literally just paid a comparable player (gerald henderson) 9 million a year

there are tons of teams that could do worse than to pay bogdan like 12 million a year over 3 years

[Dat2U]

:banghead:

Gave up a 1st round pick just to get rid of Nicholson.

Nicholson is a sunk cost, but the fact that Ernie gets to keep giving up assets to clean up his messes is what's most disheartening.

In the end we traded our 2017 1st for a third of a season of a guy we can't afford to re-sign in order to rid ourselves of a guy who shouldn't have been signed in the first place. All of this at a time when our team is about to be very expensive and we're desperate for young, affordable talent with upside. I bet this moron expects to be patted on the back for it, too. Sigh...

Young affordable talent with upside, you mean like MCCULLOUGH?

Dude if McCullough was any good, the Nets would've

A. Kept him
B. Played him

The Nets are the worst team in the NBA, basically devoid of young talent, especially in the front court. If McCullough had showed a hint of NBA level play he'd have gotten all the possible minutes he could handle. The fact a team with 9 wins at the all-star break thought a kid wasn't even worth of being on the NBA roster is a damming indictment of his ability. McCullough was not worthy of a late 1st.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Ernie is the master of buying high on players having years where you normally would buy low. Bogdanovich = an expiring playing 27 inefficient minutes a night for the worst team in the league. Markieff Morris = a player in the middle of a disastrous season where he played like ****, feuded with teammates and his coach and Phoenix was desperate to get rid of him.

But the thing I recall is Bogdanovic going for 44 points in a game. I know he can shoot threes. And with this Wizards team I expect he's going to be HAPPY and much more efficient. I think he might really help Satoransky. I actually EXPECT this move will pay off.

I like the blend of internationals, veterans, talented youth. I just have a hunch about McCullough. He's going to fit in really well with Oubre and Porter. The guy gets up. I think the second team is a A LOT more diversified and athletic now.

Count me among those who thinks Ernie actually got this right.

[relinquishy]

Restricted in the sense that the wizards can match another teams offer, but the Wizards are already so close to the lux tax threshold (presuming they resign Porter at max or near max), they can't afford to match any contracts received by Bogdan. He's gone after this year.

No one will be giving Bojan that big of a deal. Also, the cap will balloon more and Nicholson if off the books. I could see a 3 years 30 million deal, and also, most teams don't match deals for your average good RFA because more often that not it's a waste of time. Also Thornton is also off the books.

the sixers literally just paid a comparable player (gerald henderson) 9 million a year

there are tons of teams that could do worse than to pay bogdan like 12 million a year over 3 years

Henderson is a worse player than Bogs, and the Sixers HAD to fill cap space because their salary was too low. Comparing the two is pointless.

[nate33]

I think it was obvious they were going to have to get rid of a 1st to off load Nicholson, just wished it was an '18 1st.

I wanna be optimistic and see how Bogdan performs as a bench player, but his numbers are NOT encouraging. Worst part is, if he somehow actually efficiently produces people will actually think Grunfeld is good.

Not possible because with the benefit of hindsight, Bogdan will be scooped up by another team in free agency. This is a loss either way. Either he is great and can't be resigned because Yawn's 16M contract, or he's so-so and proves to be not worth a 1st in a loaded draft.

But he won't because he's RESTRICTED.

It doesn't matter. Our issue isn't that we're worried someone is going to outbid us. The issue is that we can't pay more than $2-3M to keep him while staying under the luxtax (assuming Porter is maxed or nearly maxed).

[NatP4]

bro he's 27.

And so is Kieff.

But... that late first round draft pick bust that we could've had...

at least kieff was signed for many years man

we just traded for .5 years of a guy

bro, you're hurting my brain. We traded for a high upside young forward and a role player scorer, and also a salary dump. There is NO reason to complain about this trade at all. not one.

CMC has the potential to develop into a stretch 4 that also can roll to the basket and finish, as well as a shot blocking rim protector. perfect for the new NBA, will he get there? i don't know, but he's averaging 19&9 and was a Dleague all star this year, pretty good.

Bojan has the ability to play small ball 4, or basically play anywhere on the wing and score and knock down shots, HUGE upgrade from whoever you called our 2nd unit scorer.

Nicholson getting dumped is big, it needed to happen sooner or later, he was owed 6 million/year for 3 more seasons and doing NOTHING.

[gtn130]

A young player who plays for a **** team would be incredible if they were shooting Korver percentages. It's hard to get open looks on a **** team.

bro he's 27.

And so is Kieff.

But... that late first round draft pick bust that we could've had...

I'm just saying he's categorically not 'young' at age 27.

And FWIW I argued pretty hard in favor of the Morris trade at the time. I thought I was dead wrong for the first ~20 games of this season.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[relinquishy]

Ernie is the master of buying high on players having years where you normally would buy low. Bogdanovich = an expiring playing 27 inefficient minutes a night for the worst team in the league. Markieff Morris = a player in the middle of a disastrous season where he played like ****, feuded with teammates and his coach and Phoenix was desperate to get rid of him.

But the thing I recall is Bogdanovic going for 44 points in a game. I know he can shoot threes. And with this Wizards team I expect he's going to be HAPPY and much more efficient. I think he might really help Satoransky. I actually EXPECT this move will pay off.

I like the blend of internationals, veterans, talented youth. I just have a hunch about McCullough. He's going to fit in really well with Oubre and Porter. The guy gets up. I think the second team is a A LOT more diversified and athletic now.

Count me among those who thinks Ernie actually got this right.

Remember when these same people were pissed that we gave up Rashard Lewis and a late 2nd for Okafor and Ariza?

[Dark Faze]

No one will be giving Bojan that big of a deal. Also, the cap will balloon more and Nicholson if off the books. I could see a 3 years 30 million deal, and also, most teams don't match deals for your average good RFA because more often that not it's a waste of time. Also Thornton is also off the books.

the sixers literally just paid a comparable player (gerald henderson) 9 million a year

there are tons of teams that could do worse than to pay bogdan like 12 million a year over 3 years

Henderson is a worse player than Bogs, and the Sixers HAD to fill cap space because their salary was too low. Comparing the two is pointless.

so you admit that bogs is the better player and in the same stroke say that are chances for keeping him is good? with an owner who has said he doesn't want to go over the tax?

[relinquishy]

bro he's 27.

And so is Kieff.

But... that late first round draft pick bust that we could've had...

I'm just saying he's categorically not 'young' at age 27.

And FWIW I argued pretty hard in favor of the Morris trade at the time. I thought I was dead wrong for the first ~20 games of this season.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

27 is young for our team who is blooming and has quite a few years left ahead of them. However, understood my man.

[relinquishy]

the sixers literally just paid a comparable player (gerald henderson) 9 million a year

there are tons of teams that could do worse than to pay bogdan like 12 million a year over 3 years

Henderson is a worse player than Bogs, and the Sixers HAD to fill cap space because their salary was too low. Comparing the two is pointless.

so you admit that bogs is the better player and in the same stroke say that are chances for keeping him is good? with an owner who has said he doesn't want to go over the tax?

Winning cures everything. Dan Gilbert didn't wanna go over the tax either.