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Re: The Official 2023 Draft Thread 

Post#121 » by doclinkin » Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:16 pm

payitforward wrote:doc -- what's your take on Armando Bacot as a R2 pick? Think Richaun Holmes plus. His junior numbers were some of the best I've ever seen.

He's also very articulate, obviously a smart kid. Can talk the game, & can talk other stuff too. Yet, nbadraftroom has him at #76 -- that makes zero sense to me.


That said, if I'm looking at a traditional low-post Big, might as well go with the Biggest. Zach Edey has impressed me with his mobility and smooth athleticism at 7'4". And his development is promising. He simply does not give away stupid fouls any more, which is tough to do when you are the biggest human being in the room, and when you are blocking damn near everything. Footwork and fundamentals are solid as concrete. He has the advanced balance from being a hockey player growing up, hand-eye coordination from his first love, baseball. His turnovers are decreasing even with increased usage. It's absurd to me that the most dominant player in college basketball is mocked in the late 2nd round. Walker Kessler was a steal last year, Zach Edey would be similar larceny.



There's still room for true Bigs at the next level.

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Post#122 » by Kanyewest » Tue Feb 28, 2023 10:45 pm

Whitmore played within himself against Creighton- 17 points on 8 shots- with a few solid defensive plays mixed in between - no assists although it seems like Villanova runs a lot of iso offense- only 14 assists as a team and 8 by Justin Moore.
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Post#123 » by doclinkin » Wed Mar 1, 2023 3:08 am

I do like DaRon Holmes II.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/daron-holmesii-1.html



Raw talent showing improvement from fr. to so. year. Improving in FT% and adding a little bit of a 3 ball every now and then. Bouncy high motor true PF who has the footspeed to defend outside, posts steals and assists. Mocked in the mid-high 2nd round, should be available by our (/Bulls) pick.
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Post#124 » by Frichuela » Wed Mar 1, 2023 2:30 pm

Per 538, we are projected to hit 40 wins, placing us 10th in the East with a potential 12th pick in the draft…should we fail in the play in…

Man I wish we would shut down Beal and Porzinga and let Kuzma and Wes Jr command the tank. There are 3-4 great prospects in the draft. A forward thinking front office should be playing the odds for a top 4 pick!
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Post#125 » by AFM » Wed Mar 1, 2023 5:45 pm

OT but anyone heard from CCJ recently?
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Post#126 » by payitforward » Wed Mar 1, 2023 9:03 pm

thanks for bringing him up. I'm going to pm him....

Just did -- & sent him a text as well
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Re: The Official 2023 Draft Thread 

Post#127 » by NatP4 » Thu Mar 2, 2023 4:31 am

Still seeing Sidy Cissoko mocked in round 2. He’s close to the top of my list. 16.4 points 3.6 rebounds 4.0 assists 1.4 steals and 0.4 blocks only 2.1 turnovers per36.

Shooting 49.4/36.8/70.

Was pretty bad in the first half of the Ignite season, but has exploded in the 2nd half just like Dyson Daniels did last year. He’s only 18 years old, also like Daniels was.

4 straight 20+ point games. Shooting the lights out from 3. 14-28 from 3 in that stretch. Assist numbers exploding also. 18 assists in those 4 games.

Reminds me of Jimmy Butler. Legit top 10 talent.
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Post#128 » by NatP4 » Thu Mar 2, 2023 4:41 am

Right now, the Tankathon mock has Cissoko at 49. Podziemski is at 59, and Coulibaly is at 31. All crazy underrated. Those would be my 3 favorite players in the draft after the obvious top 5. Coulibaly and Cissoko are both 18 year olds excelling in good leagues. I think both are top 10 talents. There’s not even a comparison between them and guys like Keyonte George and Cam Whitmore. The mocks are just way off/behind.

Trade down from 10 for 25/29/31 from Indiana and get all 3 of them and take Tristan Vukcevic at 38. Then snag Trayce-Jackson Davis at our pick at 58 (who is the safest bet to be a good NBA player in draft history).

Sign and trade Kuzma literally anywhere for a new flavor of Bio-steel for the locker room, and light a victory cigar and call it an off-season.
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Post#129 » by NatP4 » Thu Mar 2, 2023 4:52 am

Few clips showing how ridiculous of a talent Coulibaly is:



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Post#130 » by Dat2U » Thu Mar 2, 2023 5:01 am

Frichuela wrote:Per 538, we are projected to hit 40 wins, placing us 10th in the East with a potential 12th pick in the draft…should we fail in the play in…

Man I wish we would shut down Beal and Porzinga and let Kuzma and Wes Jr command the tank. There are 3-4 great prospects in the draft. A forward thinking front office should be playing the odds for a top 4 pick!


Toronto & New York have significantly improved. We need Atlanta & especially Chicago to get their act together. Indiana has started to stabilze since Haliburton returned as are only two back.

I think the Wiz will give a few games away to various injuries.

My worry is getting into the play-in and matching up with Brooklyn who's clearly on the downswing. There's a good chance they win that matchup.
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Re: The Official 2023 Draft Thread 

Post#131 » by NatP4 » Thu Mar 9, 2023 7:35 pm

Cissoko: 16.4 points 3.5 rebounds 4.4 assists 2.0 turnovers 1.5 steals 1.0 blocks. 48/35/70 shooting.

18 year old in the G-league. Clear indication of a future quality NBA player. Other top ignite prospects were flat out awful in the G-league, Cissoko has been one of the best players in the league.

Kuminga in 2020-2021: 17.4 points 7.9 rebounds 3.0 assists 2.9 turnovers 1.1 steals 0.9 blocks 38/24/62 shooting.

6’8, 7 foot wingspan. Secondary playmaker that can shoot it and play high level defense.

The mocks having him in the 20-40 range are ridiculous. He’s significantly better than every player in the 6-20 range.
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Post#132 » by NatP4 » Thu Mar 9, 2023 7:43 pm

Coulibaly’s numbers in the French league U21: 21.9 points 6.4 rebounds 2.5 assists 1.2 blocks 2.6 steals 2.8 turnovers. 61/32/76 shooting splits.

Last 5 games he has played 20+ minutes with the pro team and been a huge plus, which is incredibly impressive or an 18 year old.

Had a 14&7 game with the big club:



Having success in a quality pro league is far more impressive than anything the guys in the 6-20 range are doing in the NCAA. This guy is a top 10 talent.
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Re: The Official 2023 Draft Thread 

Post#133 » by NatP4 » Thu Mar 9, 2023 7:49 pm

Podziemski might turn out to be the 2nd or 3rd best player in this draft behind Wemby. Here is the comparison to Jalen Williams, who also played at Santa Clara:

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=brandin-podziemski--jalen-williams

Podziemski was twice as productive at a full year younger. He’s a significantly better defensive player and shooter.

The mocks still have him as a late 2nd, but he should clearly be a lottery pick, and will turn out to be a NBA star.

No idea about a comparison yet, any of the mid major guys like Step Curry, Lillard, McCollum, but I would pick Podziemski top 5. I think he’s better than Scoot and Miller, and possibly the Thompson twins. He’s a future star. Plays a true modern NBA game. Can get to the rim and finish with either hand, can shoot it off the catch or off the dribble. Has deep range. Elite motor and basketball IQ. Sees the floor like a true PG and has the size to see over defenses. Plays quality defense. Just a winning player.
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Post#134 » by doclinkin » Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:58 am

NatP4 wrote:Podziemski might turn out to be the 2nd or 3rd best player in this draft behind Wemby. Here is the comparison to Jalen Williams, who also played at Santa Clara:

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=brandin-podziemski--jalen-williams

Podziemski was twice as productive at a full year younger. He’s a significantly better defensive player and shooter.

The mocks still have him as a late 2nd, but he should clearly be a lottery pick, and will turn out to be a NBA star.

No idea about a comparison yet, any of the mid major guys like Step Curry, Lillard, McCollum, but I would pick Podziemski top 5. I think he’s better than Scoot and Miller, and possibly the Thompson twins. He’s a future star. Plays a true modern NBA game. Can get to the rim and finish with either hand, can shoot it off the catch or off the dribble. Has deep range. Elite motor and basketball IQ. Sees the floor like a true PG and has the size to see over defenses. Plays quality defense. Just a winning player.


Jeez. First time I took a longer look at this kid. He has to score a ton on that squad but at the next level he looks like he can make a smooth transition to PG/lead guard. He has a John Stockton feel to that part of his game: a no emotion floor general who is thinking the game faster than you. When he's in passing mode he's so smart in setting the table to open passing lanes. Gets his shoulder past a defender to drive the lane, then drives directly at the traffic to draw everybody to him, then whips the ball to the open shooter. Right in the hands. It works because he is a threat to split a doubleteam and score if you don't collapse, and because he knows who is open without looking.

Seems to me a sniper like Kispert would love to have this kid on his squad. Just be where you need to be and he will not only find you, but will get you open in the first place.

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Re: The Official 2023 Draft Thread 

Post#135 » by FAH1223 » Fri Mar 10, 2023 4:53 am

doclinkin wrote:
NatP4 wrote:Podziemski might turn out to be the 2nd or 3rd best player in this draft behind Wemby. Here is the comparison to Jalen Williams, who also played at Santa Clara:

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=brandin-podziemski--jalen-williams

Podziemski was twice as productive at a full year younger. He’s a significantly better defensive player and shooter.

The mocks still have him as a late 2nd, but he should clearly be a lottery pick, and will turn out to be a NBA star.

No idea about a comparison yet, any of the mid major guys like Step Curry, Lillard, McCollum, but I would pick Podziemski top 5. I think he’s better than Scoot and Miller, and possibly the Thompson twins. He’s a future star. Plays a true modern NBA game. Can get to the rim and finish with either hand, can shoot it off the catch or off the dribble. Has deep range. Elite motor and basketball IQ. Sees the floor like a true PG and has the size to see over defenses. Plays quality defense. Just a winning player.


Jeez. First time I took a longer look at this kid. He has to score a ton on that squad but at the next level he looks like he can make a smooth transition to PG/lead guard. He has a John Stockton feel to that part of his game: a no emotion floor general who is thinking the game faster than you. When he's in passing mode he's so smart in setting the table to open passing lanes. Gets his shoulder past a defender to drive the lane, then drives directly at the traffic to draw everybody to him, then whips the ball to the open shooter. Right in the hands. It works because he is a threat to split a doubleteam and score if you don't collapse, and because he knows who is open without looking.

Seems to me a sniper like Kispert would love to have this kid on his squad. Just be where you need to be and he will not only find you, but will get you open in the first place.



Tankathon mock has us taking him with the Celtics 2nd round pick we have. At #58. :clap:
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Post#136 » by doclinkin » Fri Mar 10, 2023 1:09 pm

FAH1223 wrote:
doclinkin wrote:
NatP4 wrote:Podziemski might turn out to be the 2nd or 3rd best player in this draft behind Wemby. Here is the comparison to Jalen Williams, who also played at Santa Clara:

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=brandin-podziemski--jalen-williams

Podziemski was twice as productive at a full year younger. He’s a significantly better defensive player and shooter.

The mocks still have him as a late 2nd, but he should clearly be a lottery pick, and will turn out to be a NBA star.

No idea about a comparison yet, any of the mid major guys like Step Curry, Lillard, McCollum, but I would pick Podziemski top 5. I think he’s better than Scoot and Miller, and possibly the Thompson twins. He’s a future star. Plays a true modern NBA game. Can get to the rim and finish with either hand, can shoot it off the catch or off the dribble. Has deep range. Elite motor and basketball IQ. Sees the floor like a true PG and has the size to see over defenses. Plays quality defense. Just a winning player.


Jeez. First time I took a longer look at this kid. He has to score a ton on that squad but at the next level he looks like he can make a smooth transition to PG/lead guard. He has a John Stockton feel to that part of his game: a no emotion floor general who is thinking the game faster than you. When he's in passing mode he's so smart in setting the table to open passing lanes. Gets his shoulder past a defender to drive the lane, then drives directly at the traffic to draw everybody to him, then whips the ball to the open shooter. Right in the hands. It works because he is a threat to split a doubleteam and score if you don't collapse, and because he knows who is open without looking.

Seems to me a sniper like Kispert would love to have this kid on his squad. Just be where you need to be and he will not only find you, but will get you open in the first place.



Tankathon mock has us taking him with the Celtics 2nd round pick we have. At #58. :clap:


Which would be excellent. But I bet he climbs after team workouts.
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Post#137 » by daSwami » Fri Mar 10, 2023 1:52 pm

I'd support taking Edey with our first pick. He's that good.
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Post#138 » by doclinkin » Fri Mar 10, 2023 2:17 pm

daSwami wrote:I'd support taking Edey with our first pick. He's that good.


I think he has a chance to be more impactful on his first contract than Wemby. Maybe overall, depending on health. He's got a quietness to his competence/competitive aspect that keeps him overlooked. I think the league is swinging back towards the Bigs though, and if you have a lynchpin center that is playable in a switchy scheme, you have an edge on the competition. Edey looks like he will be a solid pro on a winning team. Solid being a key word. The Porzingis/ Chet/ Poku/ Bol Bol body type is vulnerable in dings and tweaks from playing in traffic. Chet won't be easy to bump or dislodge off his center. He is regularly hacked and beaten on in NCAA play, and remains unmoved. As a mid-late lotto pick he will prove his value. If he falls past that he will be a steal. Yes I'd have no problem taking Zach with our pick.
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Post#139 » by daSwami » Fri Mar 10, 2023 5:02 pm

doclinkin wrote:
daSwami wrote:I'd support taking Edey with our first pick. He's that good.


I think he has a chance to be more impactful on his first contract than Wemby. Maybe overall, depending on health. He's got a quietness to his competence/competitive aspect that keeps him overlooked. I think the league is swinging back towards the Bigs though, and if you have a lynchpin center that is playable in a switchy scheme, you have an edge on the competition. Edey looks like he will be a solid pro on a winning team. Solid being a key word. The Porzingis/ Chet/ Poku/ Bol Bol body type is vulnerable in dings and tweaks from playing in traffic. Chet won't be easy to bump or dislodge off his center. He is regularly hacked and beaten on in NCAA play, and remains unmoved. As a mid-late lotto pick he will prove his value. If he falls past that he will be a steal. Yes I'd have no problem taking Zach with our pick.


I think he's de-valued by scouts b/c there's a stigma around "slow-footed" behemoth-types, because their skill-set is not suited to the "modern-NBA," which is generally true; but the thing is: Edey isn't slow-footed at all, and his body is well-proportioned (whatever that even means. In short: He moves like a guard.) Also - he wastes not a step, nor a second holding the ball. He rarely dribbles, and when he does, it's mostly to gather himself before making a move - it ain't highlight-reel stuff, it's efficiency.
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Post#140 » by NatP4 » Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:05 pm

Podziemski probably only has 1 or 2 more NIT games, then he’s done. It shocks me that he’s a late 2nd projection. I think at MOST, he climbs through the draft combine process like Nembhard did. I see no scenario in which he climbs higher than a late 1st early 2nd projection, but I think he’s easily the best lead guard in the draft after the top 5 group, and maybe better than a couple of those guys, but that doesn’t matter to us.

Also figured out a comparison for him: Tyrese Haliburton.

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=brandin-podziemski--tyrese-haliburton

Same age at draft time, Podziemski has scored more and assisted less, but that probably has to do with poor competition and bad teammates. Both were solid defenders. Efficient players that can really shoot it. Both are in the 99th percentile for basketball IQ and competitiveness.

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