Political Roundtable Part XXXIV

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Under Reported!!! This is how Republicans do corruption, an F’ing 200 MILLION dollar ad campaign given to a Trumpie. This may be worth an expenditure, but 200 MILLION!?! This is corrupt, and insane.

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[montestewart]

I remember when I almost got drummed out of this thread for calling Trump supporters patsies. And Trump is the biggest one!

Look how long STD lasted. You’ve never been close to being drummed out. Keep on keeping on.

[pancakes3]

Incredible.

The US president openly parrotting Kremlin talking points is beyond the pale.

No wonder Russia doesn't want Europe to participate in negotiations for peace.

They know a sucker when they see one.

NPR had a story this morning saying that Biden was soft on Putin, sanctions-wise because the bulk of Russian money comes from oil and gas, and oil&gas was high, and downstream effects of high oil&gas results in everything else being inflated prevented Biden from sanctioning oil. 2 weeks before leaving office, Biden enacted sanctions on Russian oil&gas because prices were stabilizing, and also gifted Trump serious sanctions against Russia for leverage in Ukraine/Russia peacemaking.

The oil&gas sanctions will seriously hurt Russia in the pocketbooks because at the beginning of the war, the US sanctions really hurt Russia (the bank runs, freezing stock markets, etc.) but Russia was able to stabilize by expanding their oil&gas sales (to China specifically). If Russia's economy starts destabilizing because it doesn't have oil&gas money anymore, it really really hurts the Kremlin.

But of course Trump has no interest in exerting leverage against Russia despite his big strong talk about putting America First.

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the word "disgraceful" comes to mind

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[bsilver]

I remember when I almost got drummed out of this thread for calling Trump supporters patsies. And Trump is the biggest one!

I don't see Trump as a patsy.. When it comes to Putin or billionaires like Musk, he's a kindred spirit. He doesn't value democracy, or a just society. No one's pulling the wool over his eyes.

[Zonkerbl]

We used to be the most powerful nation on earth, a shining beacon of democracy that served as an example to other countries that were tempted to turn to totalitarianism. We were proof that there is a viable alternative to tyranny.

Now we sell out our friends to pwn the libtards.

[pancakes3]

I remember when I almost got drummed out of this thread for calling Trump supporters patsies. And Trump is the biggest one!

I don't see Trump as a patsy.. When it comes to Putin or billionaires like Musk, he's a kindred spirit. He doesn't value democracy, or a just society. No one's pulling the wool over his eyes.

He's a patsy in the sense that he's not actually one of them - he's not playing the same game as them, but rather a useful idiot who can be influenced with cheap (literally) flattery in exchange for extremely valuable, and even invaluable favors in return.

Trump literally stands nothing to gain, politically or monetarily, in letting Musk and Putin implement the policies that he's being pushed towards. Trump just gets to feel important. There are no backroom deals, or dark money being funneled into Trump's pockets.

For all the rumors of Putin using Trump Tower Moscow as a carrot for Trump's cooperation? If Trump actually facilitates the Russian annexation of Ukrainian land, currently estimated at between 40-60 thousand square miles of occupied territory (for reference, Pennsylvania is 46k sq mi), not even counting the strategic importance of that land, Trump can't be doing that just for a freaking building permit. Putin can build Trump a dozen skyscrapers for free and it would still be an incalculable steal for the Kremlin.

Same for Musk in not having NASA oversight over SpaceX, not having DOT oversight over TESLA, not having CFPB/SEC oversight over crypto, not having FCC oversight over Twitter, not having FDA oversight over Neurolink, etc. $250M in campaign contributions in exchange for DIRECT control over the governmental entities that oversee his fortunes? Elon went from 200B to 400B net worth last year, WITH government oversight. He stands to make literally a trillion dollars, by himself, over the next 4 years.

Elon's goal is to have Twitter be the "everything" app for the world. Everyone uses it for email, e-payment, social media, everything that you use a phone for. The data alone is worth a trillion. The screentime would be basically the entirety of human productivity. It's dystopian stuff.

There's nothing kindred about it.

[Zonkerbl]

Are you a patsy if you are easily blackmailed? Which is better, to just bow to Putin's wishes because you want so badly to be his friend? Or to sell out Ukraine for cash? Or is it blackmail? Surely Putin doesn't have anything on Trump that his followers wouldn't forgive him for? Or is he just demented?

[AFM]

I don't think it matters either way since you arrive at the same point. I guess I agree with pancakes. I don't think Trump values anything other than himself. He doesn't care about Russia or Ukraine or even America. Useful idiot is a perfect term. I would have called him something else but this board has a curse word filter in the year 2025.

I read a comment somewhere recently: Trump and Elon aren't conservatives. They're opportunists.

Makes perfect sense to me.

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Trump Floats Giving DOGE Savings to Public, Defending Cost Cuts

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While the White House has claimed some $55 billion in savings so far, itemized documents posted by the group suggest the actual savings are only a fraction of that amount. Sending 20% of the roughly $8.6 billion of DOGE savings the group has so far listed on its website would amount to about $11 per taxpayer.

These idiots keep talking about how they cut some DEI program in Africa or wherever, saving 2 million bucks, it's literally a rounding error

[pancakes3]

Trump Floats Giving DOGE Savings to Public, Defending Cost Cuts

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-eyes-giving-taxpayers-cut-234133498.html

While the White House has claimed some $55 billion in savings so far, itemized documents posted by the group suggest the actual savings are only a fraction of that amount. Sending 20% of the roughly $8.6 billion of DOGE savings the group has so far listed on its website would amount to about $11 per taxpayer.

These idiots keep talking about how they cut some DEI program in Africa or wherever, saving 2 million bucks, it's literally a rounding error

the savings:

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Trump wants be a Dictator/King that rules over all things that interests him, he isn't actually running country, he somehow has time to micromanage the Kennedy Center, and now DC. Trump is a true Fascist.

[pancakes3]

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Trump wants be a Dictator/King that rules over all things that interests him, he isn't actually running country, he somehow has time to micromanage the Kennedy Center, and now DC. Trump is a true Fascist.

it's more like an inbred hapsburg idiot-king or child-like emperor that the advisors/eunuchs let play with toy soldiers while real business gets done behind the scenes.

[Bonscott]

And just think,if democrats would've appointed someone remotely decent instead of the hyena,democrats would probably be in the WH now
Thankfully they didn't

[AFM]

Interesting comment. I'm gonna assume you aren't gonna elaborate.

edit- I went through all your posts and 90% of them are about black people. Are you good my guy?

I did like this one though:

For the life of me I don't get the Deni love he's almost as big of a clown as the one residing in the White House

Where were you when COSC was on my ass

[pancakes3]

makes sense if we're talking about Garland. kamala wasn't "appointed," she took over the ticket from the nominee who stepped down. but hey, nuance. who cares.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Awesome so if I murder a bunch of Trump supporters to save America that would be totally fine?

Perhaps by 2028, a civil war will become a reality.