Butler Has Torn Labrum In Left Hip

[Donkey McDonkerton]

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Sweet.

Looks like he'll be back the same time as Gil.

2-3?

[Terpman]

I don't want to be the dark cloud here, but has anyone considered that Caron may NEVER play again? Torn labrum is no joke. Bo Jackson had a similar injury and it never healed. He ended up with a degenerative hip and had to have it replaced...
I hope to God I'm wrong, but I have a very bad feeling about CB3's injury...

and our crack medical team saying he doesn't need surgery is code for: "NEEDED SURGERY LAST YEAR!!"

[TheKingOfVa360]

I don't want to be the dark cloud here, but has anyone considered that Caron may NEVER play again? Torn labrum is no joke. Bo Jackson had a similar injury and it never healed. He ended up with a degenerative hip and had to have it replaced...
I hope to God I'm wrong, but I have a very bad feeling about CB3's injury...

and our crack medical team saying he doesn't need surgery is code for: "NEEDED SURGERY LAST YEAR!!"

Please don't say anything like that

[bulletproof_32]

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2-3?

No doubt.

On another note, does anyone know if Butler's torn labrum was a result of the initial injury during the Milwaukee game, or if it happened later during the Philly game (or a practice/ workout)?

I know he was initially diagnosed with a

[Donkey McDonkerton]

I don't want to be the dark cloud here, but has anyone considered that Caron may NEVER play again? Torn labrum is no joke. Bo Jackson had a similar injury and it never healed. He ended up with a degenerative hip and had to have it replaced...
I hope to God I'm wrong, but I have a very bad feeling about CB3's injury...

and our crack medical team saying he doesn't need surgery is code for: "NEEDED SURGERY LAST YEAR!!"

The only thing that is similar to the Bo Jackson injury, is the word hip....

[hands11]

You know what yesterday I was with a lot of you guys saying "f*ck it lets tank the rest of the season". Now I'm starting to think with some of the more optimisitic, lets do our damnedest to make these playoffs. Shoot get Arenas and Butler back with say a month or three weeks left in the season, hey maybe even Thomas, come together as a team, maybe get hot and see what we can do in this damn conference. I'm not scared of any team in this conference, including Detroit and Boston, even the refs dolls Cavs or our kryptonite Raps. I say with a hot squad, a squad with something to prove we can beat any team in this conference.

Hey maybe it wont happen for this squad, maybe we get our ass whipped with even Arenas and Butler, but damn I'm not ready to give up yet, especially after last years playoffs. Never say never guys crazier things have happened, we know this teams potential. Don't under estimate playing for a contract, I would love to get both Arenas and Jamison in the playoffs. Days have been dark and cloudy guys, but we can still do things, with all the injuries were still only 5 games out of the 4th spot. Im not saying will get fourth I'm just saying, even the 3rd seed Orlando hasn't been that impressive since a super hot start. Lets not give up, just think guys "Any given Sunday".

Welcome aboard.

Steady as she goes. So many people are to up and down.

I stand by my position. We have the talent to make noise this year but EJ sucks. And injury here or there doesn't change that. I simply allows you to see it more clearly.

[hands11]

If there are any around that remember the Bullets run, help me out.

Didn't we have some players hurt running up to the playoffs and then snuck up on those teams.

The internet is so handy. Found my own answer.

IN A SEASON WHEN THE TEAM WAS SO INJURY-PLAGUED

The 1978 NBA-champion Washington Bullets
http://www.nba.com/wizards/history/00820532.html


Kevin Grevey was moved from small forward to was moved from small
forward to guard ( could this be Tough Juice )

Bob Dandridge - that would be AJ maybe

On January 13, they handed Portland -- the defending NBA champion -- just its fifth loss of the season That might have been the regular season's peak, because things went steadily downhill from there.

( Jan 12 and 14 we beat Boston in back to backs giving them their 5th and 6th losses )

In one game against Golden State on January 15, Mitch Kupchak injured his thumb and was eventually out for 15 games

(Jan 15 AD was out for a few game and on Jan 29th CB went out for 2 games, returned for 2 games ( playing 39 and 32 mins - leaving injured ) and has miss 10 games since = 12 games. 3 more games makes 15 getting us to Fri 07 vs TOR)

And They Still Play On
In mid-March the Bullets were still playing with only three guards as they continued to struggle with injuries. At one point (March 21), there were not even enough healthy bodies for a full-court scrimmage.

A New Beginning
The Bullets worked out the kinks in the first-round playoff series with Atlanta, sweeping the Hawks in three games. Atlanta's tough-nosed defense prepared the Bullets for the challenges that lay ahead as they advanced to meet the Central Division champion San Antonio Spurs. San Antonio was led by the high-scoring "Iceman," George Gervin, who finished as the league's regular-season scoring champ.

The Rest is history for the read on the link I posted.

Dame - tough crowd.

Not even on response to the The 1978 NBA-champion Washington Bullets comparison. What, are you'll like all 20 ?

[hands11]

I don't want to be the dark cloud here, but has anyone considered that Caron may NEVER play again? Torn labrum is no joke. Bo Jackson had a similar injury and it never healed. He ended up with a degenerative hip and had to have it replaced...
I hope to God I'm wrong, but I have a very bad feeling about CB3's injury...

and our crack medical team saying he doesn't need surgery is code for: "NEEDED SURGERY LAST YEAR!!"

Bahhh

This isn't going to be a problem. I'm totally certain of it. CB is going to have an amazing career and he will be back this year getting er done.

3 more games.

[Ruzious]

I don't want to be the dark cloud here, but has anyone considered that Caron may NEVER play again? Torn labrum is no joke. Bo Jackson had a similar injury and it never healed. He ended up with a degenerative hip and had to have it replaced...
I hope to God I'm wrong, but I have a very bad feeling about CB3's injury...

and our crack medical team saying he doesn't need surgery is code for: "NEEDED SURGERY LAST YEAR!!"

Can you provide a link showing that Bo Jackson had a torn labrum?

[Dat2U]

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Can you provide a link showing that Bo Jackson had a torn labrum?

He can't. Bo had a degenerative hip condition. Basically his hip bone popped out of socket which caused loss of blood flow and his hip bone to basically die.

Caron's & Bo's injuries aren't even comparable.

We got good news b/c Caron didn't need surgery. If he needed surgery it would be much much worse.

I found this on the NBA's injury report list about Troy Hudson with the Warriors:

He will miss the rest of the season and possibly his career after undergoing surgery to repair a torn labrum in his hip.

[Terpman]

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Hope I'm wrong...just seen a lot of Bullets/Wiz seasons go down the crapper with injuries and I know any kind of hip injury is a scary.

BTW - Hossa of the Pittsburgh Penguins just had/about to have surgery for a torn Labrum...

[fishercob]

I don't want to be the dark cloud here, but has anyone considered that Caron may NEVER play again? Torn labrum is no joke. Bo Jackson had a similar injury and it never healed. He ended up with a degenerative hip and had to have it replaced...
I hope to God I'm wrong, but I have a very bad feeling about CB3's injury...

and our crack medical team saying he doesn't need surgery is code for: "NEEDED SURGERY LAST YEAR!!"

Congrats on the most woefully uninformed post I've read in some time. And that's saying something on this board.

[BanndNDC]

Sev and Doc are right. Psychotic, but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional means that could take years and cost millions of dollars. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.

and we're just the guys to do it.

so put a gag on that fat chick in the corner with the german accent, devil's horns and a gunmetal bra. cause act 3 is about to start, the surf's breakin both ways on the horizon and it's time to kill the wabbitt.

[Terpman]

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Congrats on the most woefully uninformed post I've read in some time. And that's saying something on this board.

Check back in 2-3 weeks and I'll give you the opportunity to rescind that statement. I'm not saying he has Bo Jackson's condition...I'm saying hip injuries near the socket are bad. Period. If you think this is like resting a sprained ankle or something else that will only take a few weeks or so, you might be following the Wizmedstaff/PiedPiper...I think Caron would be crazy to suit up again this year unless an MRI showed that tear 100% healed.

[fishercob]

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Check back in 2-3 weeks and I'll give you the opportunity to rescind that statement. I'm not saying he has Bo Jackson's condition...I'm saying hip injuries near the socket are bad. Period. If you think this is like resting a sprained ankle or something else that will only take a few weeks or so, you might be following the Wizmedstaff/PiedPiper...I think Caron would be crazy to suit up again this year unless an MRI showed that tear 100% healed.

Dude, I had this injury last year. I know what I'm talking about. Read Ivan's detailed blog post. He's spot on. This is an injury that requires rest and phys therapy. This has nothingn to do with Bo Jackson's injury. It smells in here; stop talking out of your ass.

[zardsfan]

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The Doctors should have looked at injuries to the hip, taken an MRI, X-ray, Sonogram, Cat scan or any other thing to go down the list and check everything off, and rule that out.

When I injured my ankle, the Doc felt it..moved it around ,took an X-ray...said nothing is broken, you just need to rest it. Now that's fine for ME, but if I was a pro ball player, you better take an MRI to MAKE SURE there isnt any other damage.

Agree 100%

An MRI cost about $1000.00 and there is no radiation involved so it doesn't even give off any radiation to the patient.

Considering the payroll, and how much the team should value a correct diagnosis on ALL injuries, I would think they would be giving out these MRI's like candy.

I mean what the hell... What cost the team more money, a couple precautionary MRI at 1K a pop or a misdiagnosis leading to more time missed by players like Gil and Caron.

I mean how much does the lowest paid player on the team earn per game? I bet it's a hell of a lot more than what an MRI costs!

[ZonkertheBrainless]

But they did an MRI and it didn't show anything...

are you guys even bothering to read Ivan's articles?

"-Caron did undergo an MRI after he originally injured the hip in Milwaukee on Jan. 27. That MRI led to the diagnosis of him have a strained hip flexor. You'll remember that he sat out three games, played heavy minutes in the Lakers game on Feb. 3 and then aggravated the hip two days later in Philly. It's possible that he suffered the slight tear that night."

[Donkey McDonkerton]

But they did an MRI and it didn't show anything...

are you guys even bothering to read Ivan's articles?

"-Caron did undergo an MRI after he originally injured the hip in Milwaukee on Jan. 27. That MRI led to the diagnosis of him have a strained hip flexor. You'll remember that he sat out three games, played heavy minutes in the Lakers game on Feb. 3 and then aggravated the hip two days later in Philly. It's possible that he suffered the slight tear that night."

My post was before Ivan's article.

[ZonkertheBrainless]

true...

[zardsfan]

But they did an MRI and it didn't show anything...

are you guys even bothering to read Ivan's articles?

"-Caron did undergo an MRI after he originally injured the hip in Milwaukee on Jan. 27. That MRI led to the diagnosis of him have a strained hip flexor. You'll remember that he sat out three games, played heavy minutes in the Lakers game on Feb. 3 and then aggravated the hip two days later in Philly. It's possible that he suffered the slight tear that night."

Hell, with the frequency that the Zards players get hurt these days, an MRI should be part of the pre-game warmups.