Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust

[hands11]

Watch him average 15ptg in Denver.

Should of kept him IMO he had the most potential besides Wall on team.

Not sure whether you're trolling or not, but Vesely has ZERO chance of being an average basketball player. I am so glad I don't have to see him in a Wiz uniform again.

As a matter of fact, if Vesely scores 15+ points in any game for the Nuggets this season, I will take a 3 month hiatus from posting on this board.

Yeah, well considering most of that would be the off season, that's not really saying much.

Not like they are just going to throw Ves into the starting line up right away and give him 30 minutes. But coming down the stretch in full blown tank, they might even start him.

Just one game with them under his belt and it was a blow out. Still gotta see what Shaw does. 5 rebounds, 2 steals, 1 assists, 1 block in 16 mins isn't a terrible start for a guy like Ves two days after being traded in his first action in a month.

They didn't throw him any alley opps year so that 2-7 was on put back attempts mostly. Lawson was out and it was Brooks first game with them.

Wait till they get Lawson back from injury and Brooks settles in. Lawson, Faried and Ves is going to be fun to watch.

[MikeTheKid]

How'd Ves do last night for the Nuggets???

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I hope Jan has a 20/10 game for Denver.

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[Dat2U]

I hope Jan has a 20/10 game for Denver.

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20 minutes, 10 passes like a hot potato?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

When evaluating Vesely's mental issues, don't neglect how hard he strained against becoming a 4 or 5 in the NBA... despite not possessing any of the necessary skills to play small forward.

Yeah, he'd be the ideal SF for a team with Curry at the point, Ray Allen at the 2, Dirk at the 4 and Bosh at the 5.

Jokes aside, we were able to hide Jeffries' offensive ineptitude as a SF alongside Arenas, Hughes, and Jamison. Didn't stop Jeffries from stinking, however, and it didn't stop the Wizards from trading Jeffries at around the same point that they traded Jan now.

Not that I want the Wizards to ever select a draft bust again, but they'd be wise to cut their losses earlier in situations like these in the future -- if only to command a little more trade value on the receiving end.

Jeffries started the year the Wizards advanced to round two .

Jared played his best ball during a stretch of games with the Knicks known as Linsanity. Without Carmelo Anthony, the Knicks featured Jeffries, Novak, Chandler, Lin, and other forwards.

With that group Jeffries was outstanding facilitating the ball to shooters, setting picks, passing, defending, and scoring layups.

It may be reaching, but I have seen Jared make a team better a few times.

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[DANNYLANDOVER]

Watch him average 15ptg in Denver.

Should of kept him IMO he had the most potential besides Wall on team.

Not sure whether you're trolling or not, but Vesely has ZERO chance of being an average basketball player. I am so glad I don't have to see him in a Wiz uniform again.

As a matter of fact, if Vesely scores 15+ points in any game for the Nuggets this season, I will take a 3 month hiatus from posting on this board.

Yeah, well considering most of that would be the off season, that's not really saying much.

Not like they are just going to throw Ves into the starting line up right away and give him 30 minutes. But coming down the stretch in full blown tank, they might even start him.

Just one game with them under his belt and it was a blow out. Still gotta see what Shaw does. 5 rebounds, 2 steals, 1 assists, 1 block in 16 mins isn't a terrible start for a guy like Ves two days after being traded in his first action in a month.

They didn't throw him any alley opps year so that 2-7 was on put back attempts mostly. Lawson was out and it was Brooks first game with them.

Wait till they get Lawson back from injury and Brooks settles in. Lawson, Faried and Ves is going to be fun to watch.

Oh so they have to throw him alley oops all game for him to score 15 pts? Hit me up when he makes a jumper or develops any sort of post game.

[mohammed10]

...just passing through to see why this thread has not been turned into a shrine yet.

Please, carry on.

[hands11]

Haha he just shot an airball free throw in his first game for the Nuggets and the commentators are absolutely dogging him. Pretty sure they'll get used to it soon lol.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400489710

Game 2. Already in the rotation getting 16 minutes a game so far.

16 minutes 3-5 FG, 4 rebounds, 3 steals, 2 blocks ( on at the rim and one of the perimeter)

He even made a mid range outside shot. http://on.nba.com/1hJdmMD
Looks like 2 break away Air Wolf dunks and a mid range bucket. Barely missed another mid range.

Once Ty Lawson returns, Lob City will begin. Lawson, Faried and Ves.

Ves making the highlight reel. http://www.nba.com/games/20140223/SACDE ... ideoPlayer

Should be starting before long.

[hands11]

Not sure whether you're trolling or not, but Vesely has ZERO chance of being an average basketball player. I am so glad I don't have to see him in a Wiz uniform again.

As a matter of fact, if Vesely scores 15+ points in any game for the Nuggets this season, I will take a 3 month hiatus from posting on this board.

Yeah, well considering most of that would be the off season, that's not really saying much.

Not like they are just going to throw Ves into the starting line up right away and give him 30 minutes. But coming down the stretch in full blown tank, they might even start him.

Just one game with them under his belt and it was a blow out. Still gotta see what Shaw does. 5 rebounds, 2 steals, 1 assists, 1 block in 16 mins isn't a terrible start for a guy like Ves two days after being traded in his first action in a month.

They didn't throw him any alley opps year so that 2-7 was on put back attempts mostly. Lawson was out and it was Brooks first game with them.

Wait till they get Lawson back from injury and Brooks settles in. Lawson, Faried and Ves is going to be fun to watch.

Oh so they have to throw him alley oops all game for him to score 15 pts? Hit me up when he makes a jumper or develops any sort of post game.

Consider yourself hit.

Additionally, last game he drove from the right perimeter and posted up his man with a left baby hook for 2

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Haha he just shot an airball free throw in his first game for the Nuggets and the commentators are absolutely dogging him. Pretty sure they'll get used to it soon lol.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400489710

Game 2. Already in the rotation getting 16 minutes a game so far.

16 minutes 3-5 FG, 4 rebounds, 3 steals, 2 blocks ( on at the rim and one of the perimeter)

He even made a mid range outside shot. http://on.nba.com/1hJdmMD
Looks like 2 break away Air Wolf dunks and a mid range bucket. Barely missed another mid range.

Once Ty Lawson returns, Lop City will begin. Lawson, Faried and Ves.

Ves making the highlight reel. http://www.nba.com/games/20140223/SACDE ... ideoPlayer

Should be starting before long.

Everybody who said Vesely's a terrible player based on what he did with the Wizards needs to pay attention to what character assassination and discouragement can do. Washington's fans love to hate players. A coach who has essentially betrayed confidence, played favorites, not rewarded effort; and Ted and Ernie, who feel they brought in better players--they are IMO Three Stooges and Keystone Cops. No way a young player who is marginally talented ever gets better playing for toxic coaching and management.

Vesely never has stunk as badly as those who love to make him the fall guy think.

I fully expect Vesely's PER to go from 11 to over 15 this season.

I think the Wizards fans mostly don't know what they're talking about. Few protested waiving Marshall. Vesely was a player most wrote off and felt glad he was traded. IMO they should be able to totally feel just how wrong they are real soon.

Nivek, I respect your spreadsheets that say the Wizards were worse with Vesely, but I disagree. Wittman IMO never played Jan right after the Okafor/Ariza deal. Jan has excellent intangibles in being long, able to get vertical, and able to bring selfless energy. It's not his fault the Wizards were too inflexible and veteran-seeking to give him a role in which Vesely could excel.

I am glad the Wizards traded Vesely. He's a good hustle player.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

The steals and blocks, with good rebounds are going to be paired with confidence. Shaw will coach Vesely up, unlike the Wizards. Mack and Vesely are decent role players.

I think Vesely is going to make the Wizards look stupid for ruining his time in DC.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

...just passing through to see why this thread has not been turned into a shrine yet.

Please, carry on.

I want to hear from you in about three weeks, when it is abundantly clear how much better Vesely is than the Wizards thought.

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[TGW]

The steals and blocks, with good rebounds are going to be paired with confidence. Shaw will coach Vesely up, unlike the Wizards. Mack and Vesely are decent role players.

I think Vesely is going to make the Wizards look stupid for ruining his time in DC.

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John Wall has made you look bad.

[Ruzious]

Haha he just shot an airball free throw in his first game for the Nuggets and the commentators are absolutely dogging him. Pretty sure they'll get used to it soon lol.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400489710

Game 2. Already in the rotation getting 16 minutes a game so far.

16 minutes 3-5 FG, 4 rebounds, 3 steals, 2 blocks ( on at the rim and one of the perimeter)

He even made a mid range outside shot. http://on.nba.com/1hJdmMD
Looks like 2 break away Air Wolf dunks and a mid range bucket. Barely missed another mid range.

Once Ty Lawson returns, Lop City will begin. Lawson, Faried and Ves.

Ves making the highlight reel. http://www.nba.com/games/20140223/SACDE ... ideoPlayer

Should be starting before long.

Lop City? I've never been there, but I'm told the meatloaf is fabulous.

Seriously, Vesely played with one of the top running PG's in the NBA - John Wall. If he couldn't succeed here, why would playing with Lawson be any different? And why would playing with Faried help him?

Let's hope that Javale makes it back this season so we can see JaVesely. Get the t-shirts (and a tag-line) ready!

[hands11]

Haha he just shot an airball free throw in his first game for the Nuggets and the commentators are absolutely dogging him. Pretty sure they'll get used to it soon lol.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400489710

Game 2. Already in the rotation getting 16 minutes a game so far.

16 minutes 3-5 FG, 4 rebounds, 3 steals, 2 blocks ( on at the rim and one of the perimeter)

He even made a mid range outside shot. http://on.nba.com/1hJdmMD
Looks like 2 break away Air Wolf dunks and a mid range bucket. Barely missed another mid range.

Once Ty Lawson returns, Lop City will begin. Lawson, Faried and Ves.

Ves making the highlight reel. http://www.nba.com/games/20140223/SACDE ... ideoPlayer

Should be starting before long.

Lop City? I've never been there, but I'm told the meatloaf is fabulous.

Seriously, Vesely played with one of the top running PG's in the NBA - John Wall. If he couldn't succeed here, why would playing with Lawson be any different? And why would playing with Faried help him?

Let's hope that Javale makes it back this season so we can see JaVesely. Get the t-shirts (and a tag-line) ready!

McGee is out for the season.

First off, Ves didn't play with Wall on the floor that much and if he was, it was usually with Nene or Gortat out there so Wall was looking for them. It was only year one that Ves played with Wall a lot. Here is Wall year one to Ves. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oyvz4kMNiTo

And we all know the 2nd unit didn't have a good passing PG. If Ves was going to get feed for opps, it was going to come from Temple, Maynor or Beal

But if you are talking about can he finish a lob or a transition if people find he, come on.
And he is tied for first on the team for steals/36 with Wall and Trevor A. That's saying something.
3rd in rebounds behind Booker and Gortat
Tied for first in offensive rebounds with Booker with 4.1 per/36
2nd in blocks per/36 behind Gortat. 1.7 vs 1.5

So he blocks, rebounds, steals, play the PnR well, can dunk if feed the ball and finishes in transition. And 7-0 tall and young. You play players to their strength. Being a poor FT shooter and not shooting a lot from outside isn't enough to out weigh what he does well. A good coach would have taken advantage of his skills and instilled confidence in him. The young man is only 23

One each from Maynor, Temple and Wall. All in the same game.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvj87lr_2ds&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

Beal to Ves
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbAw9PaPFq4

Temple to Ves
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dmv1p1otqo

Wall to Ves
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoyGULSO90I

Wall long opp to Ves
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbFLng6grrY

[Ruzious]

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400489710

Game 2. Already in the rotation getting 16 minutes a game so far.

16 minutes 3-5 FG, 4 rebounds, 3 steals, 2 blocks ( on at the rim and one of the perimeter)

He even made a mid range outside shot. http://on.nba.com/1hJdmMD
Looks like 2 break away Air Wolf dunks and a mid range bucket. Barely missed another mid range.

Once Ty Lawson returns, Lop City will begin. Lawson, Faried and Ves.

Ves making the highlight reel. http://www.nba.com/games/20140223/SACDE ... ideoPlayer

Should be starting before long.

Lop City? I've never been there, but I'm told the meatloaf is fabulous.

Seriously, Vesely played with one of the top running PG's in the NBA - John Wall. If he couldn't succeed here, why would playing with Lawson be any different? And why would playing with Faried help him?

Let's hope that Javale makes it back this season so we can see JaVesely. Get the t-shirts (and a tag-line) ready!

McGee is out for the season.

First off, Ves didn't play with Wall on the floor that much and if he was, it was usually with Nene or Gortat out there so Wall was looking for them. And we all know the 2nd unit didn't have a good passing PG. If Ves was going to get feed for opps, it was going to come from Temple, Maynor or Beal

But if you are talking about can he finish a lob or a transition if people find he, come on.
And he is tied for first on the team for steals/36 with Wall and Trevor A. That's saying something.
3rd in rebounds behind Booker and Gortat
Tied for first in offensive rebounds with Booker with 4.1 per/36
2nd in blocks per/36 behind Gortat. 1.7 vs 1.5

So he blocks, rebounds, steals, play the PnR well, can dunk if feed the ball and finishes in transition. And 7-0 tall and young. You play players to their strength. Being a poor FT shooter and not shooting a lot from outside isn't enough to out weigh what he does well. A good coach would have taken advantage of his skills and instilled confidence in him to grow the others. The young man is only 23

Yes, what it says is that anyone can cherry-pick stats to make even the worst players look good.

He doesn't have skills. This is what many of us pointed out before he was drafted. Give the rest of the regulars here some credit. Before he was drafted, many full-game videos of Vesely were posted on this board, and several of us took the time to look at them. Of the posters who did take that time, we were pretty much unanimous in concluding he did not have the skills to excel in the NBA. And it wasn't just - "Well, maybe he just needs work on this or that." It was - "He's so far away from having adequate skills, that he's most likely not going to make it in the NBA." Being able to run and dunk isn't enough. At some point, if he works hard enough, he probably could become an adequate player, but working hard is up to him - not the Wizards.

[Nivek]

You guys have it all wrong. Vesely has turned the corner in Denver. I'm certain he'll go right on averaging 5.8 steals and 3.5 blocks per 36 minutes (well, those would be his averages if he'd actually played 36 minutes for Denver -- he's at 31 so far). Not to mention 5.8 offensive boards per 36. Nope, nothing to do with small sample size. On the other hand, his FG% (just .417) is definitely just the result of a small sample size. That'll soon get back to his career norm (around 52%).

Man, Denver sure got themselves a steal!

[hands11]

To bad Ves isn't around to benefit from having a back up PG as good as A Miller to get him the rock. Once Lawson returns, Denver will have Lawson and Brooks as their PG so Ves will always be out there with a PG that can transition and feed him for dunks. And since its a team in development, he will get minutes every night and he can get some shots up as well. Ves has lost most of two years of court time development.

The Wizards developed to fast for Ves. He got burn his first year. Then they added Nene, TA, Webster and Okafor. Then Gortat. They should have keep him and let him develop so as those players faded, he was ready. In the mean time, they should have used him for what he did well. Had they actually had a back up PG worthy of being a legit back up PG, you would have seen more from him because he is a big who is PG reliant right now. That's if you wanted more pts. Even as his was this year, he still did all those other things.

EG should have been able to more Glen Rice and or Singleton instead of Ves.

[hands11]

Lop City? I've never been there, but I'm told the meatloaf is fabulous.

Seriously, Vesely played with one of the top running PG's in the NBA - John Wall. If he couldn't succeed here, why would playing with Lawson be any different? And why would playing with Faried help him?

Let's hope that Javale makes it back this season so we can see JaVesely. Get the t-shirts (and a tag-line) ready!

McGee is out for the season.

First off, Ves didn't play with Wall on the floor that much and if he was, it was usually with Nene or Gortat out there so Wall was looking for them. And we all know the 2nd unit didn't have a good passing PG. If Ves was going to get feed for opps, it was going to come from Temple, Maynor or Beal

But if you are talking about can he finish a lob or a transition if people find he, come on.
And he is tied for first on the team for steals/36 with Wall and Trevor A. That's saying something.
3rd in rebounds behind Booker and Gortat
Tied for first in offensive rebounds with Booker with 4.1 per/36
2nd in blocks per/36 behind Gortat. 1.7 vs 1.5

So he blocks, rebounds, steals, play the PnR well, can dunk if feed the ball and finishes in transition. And 7-0 tall and young. You play players to their strength. Being a poor FT shooter and not shooting a lot from outside isn't enough to out weigh what he does well. A good coach would have taken advantage of his skills and instilled confidence in him to grow the others. The young man is only 23

Yes, what it says is that anyone can cherry-pick stats to make even the worst players look good.

He doesn't have skills. This is what many of us pointed out before he was drafted. Give the rest of the regulars here some credit. Before he was drafted, many full-game videos of Vesely were posted on this board, and several of us took the time to look at them. Of the posters who did take that time, we were pretty much unanimous in concluding he did not have the skills to excel in the NBA. And it wasn't just - "Well, maybe he just needs work on this or that." It was - "He's so far away from having adequate skills, that he's most likely not going to make it in the NBA." Being able to run and dunk isn't enough. At some point, if he works hard enough, he probably could become an adequate player, but working hard is up to him - not the Wizards.

First off, I was one of those posters so not sure what you are getting at. Ves was not the pick I wanted. You are right. Dunking in transition was a lot of what I saw and at #6, I felt there were safer bets that would offer the Wizards what they need and develop quicker. But lots of draft picks are three year projects and Ves lost part of his first year to the strike and lots of his second year to vets.

As for cherry picking. I'm not cherry picking. Those are basic stats. Rebounds, Blocks, Steals.

As for saying he doesn't have basketball skills. I won't mix words. You are just wrong. He does have skills. Lots of them and I listed them. They just aren't shooting skills. I listed a lot more then just dunking.

He already is an adequate player. And he did work hard last summer. I expect he will again this summer. He is a 23 year old 7-0 player that converted from SF and came to a new country to a team with no back up PG and a questionable coach at best.

I think you are the one that is cherry picking. You are focusing on the things Ves doesn't do and ignoring the situation he came from and to. I think what I am doing is pointing out the reliant facts that paint a more accurate picture.

[hands11]

You guys have it all wrong. Vesely has turned the corner in Denver. I'm certain he'll go right on averaging 5.8 steals and 3.5 blocks per 36 minutes (well, those would be his averages if he'd actually played 36 minutes for Denver -- he's at 31 so far). Not to mention 5.8 offensive boards per 36. Nope, nothing to do with small sample size. On the other hand, his FG% (just .417) is definitely just the result of a small sample size. That'll soon get back to his career norm (around 52%).

Man, Denver sure got themselves a steal!

He has more then a small sample size to look at. I'm not just looking at his Denver numbers. Look at rebounds, blocks, steals for the year.

Did Denver get a steal ? I think they did considering they didn't want A Miller anymore and they are rebuilding. They just got a 7-0 athletic big who can defend, rebounds, steal, block shots, run the floor and finish for a 37 year old back up PG they didn't want. And they got a 2nd included.

If we were Denver fans, I think we could call that a steal.