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Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII

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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#1201 » by rockymac52 » Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:20 pm

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W. Unseld wrote:Interesting non-Deng commentary from http://www.grantland.com:

No matter what roles Wall or Beal played (both came off the bench for a few games), the Wizards posted a point differential of plus-4.84, the equivalent of a 55-win team over a full season. And though a 25-game stretch isn’t something Washington can hang its hat on, it’s certainly an encouraging sign. That trio, combined with Nene and Emeka Okafor, also combined to form the league's most effective five-man unit that played at least 140 minutes together, per NBA.com.

Unlike some of the more desperate teams, Washington doesn’t necessarily need to hit a home run at the top of the draft, but to break through from mid-standings irrelevance, the Wizards probably have to avoid coming up empty. If the team can get an impact player with the third pick while also finding a competent backup point guard with one of its second-round picks, the Wizards have the opportunity to completely change the course of their franchise. No pressure, right?

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-trian ... -nba-draft


Very interesting! I'll have to read the rest of the article after this post. But this confirms some of my prior thoughts. Our current starting five of Wall/Beal/Webster/Nene/Okafor is a VERY good lineup. As in, one of the best in the entire league. The reason our team as a whole was below average to average, even when healthy, was that our bench was God awful. Ariza was fine. Booker was fine, albeit in a limited capacity. Seraphin was fine defensively, but a mess offensively this past season. Vesely and Singleton were terrible. AJ Price was actually suitable for a backup PG, although it'd be nice to get an improvement there.

The key is that we need a better bench. This past season our on/off stats were terrible when Vesely, Singleton, or Seraphin was in the game. That's a huge problem that we need to address in the short and long-term. The 3rd pick should help us out in this regard, no matter who we pick. That's a step in the right direction. It may not fix all of our problems overnight, but it's a start.

Sometimes we get caught up in trying to improve our team by improving our starting lineup with star players. That's nice and all, but our starting lineup isn't the issue. Far from it! Our starting lineup is fantastic. Better than most in the league. It's our bench that's killing us.

Well Bennett if he pans out could be a nice player off the bench to replace Nene, and could even play the 3 if he perfects his shot.

What will porter add off the bench?


Another good player! The skills a player has are not necessarily any different based on whether or not he's a starter or comes off the bench. The key is just adding more good players. Plain and simple. It doesn't necessarily have to fit a specific role that we don't already have. More talent is more talent at this point.

I agree that at the moment, and perhaps in the foreseeable future as well, the BIGGER need is additional production from the PF/C positions. Like I said in my last post, the likes of Seraphin, Vesely, and Singleton were the main issues last season. So it makes sense that adding a productive PF/C would help directly alleviate that problem more so than adding a productive SF would. However, adding the productive SF still adds another quality player to the rotation, and essentially replaces the likes of Temple and Martin in the rotation. That's a very good thing too.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#1202 » by tontoz » Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:20 pm

dobrojim wrote:You expect this?
Seriously?



Might i suggest the filter?
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Post#1203 » by dobrojim » Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:24 pm

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dobrojim wrote:You expect this?
Seriously?



Might i suggest the filter?


my thinking was leading me in that direction...
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#1204 » by Dark Faze » Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:24 pm

W. Unseld wrote:Interesting non-Deng commentary from http://www.grantland.com:

No matter what roles Wall or Beal played (both came off the bench for a few games), the Wizards posted a point differential of plus-4.84, the equivalent of a 55-win team over a full season. And though a 25-game stretch isn’t something Washington can hang its hat on, it’s certainly an encouraging sign. That trio, combined with Nene and Emeka Okafor, also combined to form the league's most effective five-man unit that played at least 140 minutes together, per NBA.com.

Unlike some of the more desperate teams, Washington doesn’t necessarily need to hit a home run at the top of the draft, but to break through from mid-standings irrelevance, the Wizards probably have to avoid coming up empty. If the team can get an impact player with the third pick while also finding a competent backup point guard with one of its second-round picks, the Wizards have the opportunity to completely change the course of their franchise. No pressure, right?

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-trian ... -nba-draft


Pretty much this. Add Porter to that group and keep the rest of your guys through the remainder of Nenes contract and you've got very little to lose.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#1205 » by nate33 » Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:39 pm

It seems to me that the recent revelations about Bennett's weight might drive down his value a bit. Instead of being a likely top 5 pick, he might slip into the 6-8 range.

All recent intel suggests that the Wizards are looking at just 2 players: Porter and Bennett, and I suspect Porter is in the lead. If he is taken, Bennett may well be higher than everybody else on the draft board, and I can live with that. But if Bennett is the guy we want, why not trade down a bit? Assuming Porter and Noel are off the board, I'd draft Oladipo and open up the bidding.

The beauty of it is that nobody after us is really much of a threat to take Bennett, so we could trade down as far as 8 or 9 and still get him. Think about how it would work out. Assuming Noel and Porter go 1, 2 in some order, and we take Oladipo, the rest of the mock would look like this:

1 - CLE - Porter
2 - ORL - Noel
3 - WAS - Oladipo
4 - CHA - McLemore - though they're probably the only other team who would seriously consider Bennett
5 - PHO - Len - they won't take Bennett with Beasley on the roster
6 - NOR - Burke - they won't take Bennett with Anderson and Davis taking the PF minutes
7 - SAC - Zeller - they'll be looking for character first and won't take a risk on Bennett
8 - DET - McCollum/MCW - need guard help
9 - MIN - ??? - Won't want Bennett

Basically, once we get past Charlotte, there's really nobody else that would want Bennett and those teams would be very interested in Oladipo, so the incentives are there to make a deal.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#1206 » by Knighthonor » Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:41 pm

dobrojim wrote:
tontoz wrote:
dobrojim wrote:You expect this?
Seriously?



Might i suggest the filter?


my thinking was leading me in that direction...

Sure, but I said the same thing about the Honest trade, and look were it landed the wizards this year. But oh we'll, some people come to a forum but only want to hear people repeating things they believe in. No biggy
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#1207 » by stevemcqueen1 » Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:43 pm

If Porter and Noel go top two, then I wouldn't mind a trade down for either Bennett or Zeller. Sac at 7 is a threat to take one of them.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#1208 » by W. Unseld » Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:46 pm

Nate, I think the only problem with that scenario is that just about everyone wants to trade down.
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Post#1209 » by stevemcqueen1 » Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:47 pm

Mike Wise tweeted he heard the rumor is crap, Bulls trying to drum up value. Cleveland talking trade for Paul Pierce is probably the main reason. Cleveland is an ideal partner for Chicago because they can make an unbalanced trade and have tons of draft picks and young players to cobble some sort of package together. Plus Cleveland clearly wants a vet SF to baby sit that roster.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#1210 » by stevemcqueen1 » Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:48 pm

W. Unseld wrote:Nate, I think the only problem with that scenario is that just about everyone wants to trade down.


There should be legit interest in McLemore and Oladipo though. We likely wouldn't get a ton in return, but we could pick up a little something extra I bet.
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Post#1211 » by mohammed10 » Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:49 pm

stevemcqueen1 wrote:Mike Wise tweeted he heard the rumor is crap, Bulls trying to drum up value. Cleveland talking trade for Paul Pierce is probably the main reason. Cleveland is an ideal partner for Chicago because they can make an unbalanced trade and have tons of draft picks and young players to cobble some sort of package together. Plus Cleveland clearly wants a vet SF to baby sit that roster.


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Post#1212 » by pancakes3 » Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:54 pm

Knighthonor wrote:Again, if EG does something stupid in the draft its usually for a good reason, especially of the team that is benefiting from it is one of the teams in Stern's favor.

I expect number1 pick 2014 handed to the Wizards for helping Stern's team in favor of the year.
Aka Wizards get top three pick at least.


It is awesomely ironic to see someone be so naive as to believe in something so cynical.

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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#1213 » by Knighthonor » Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:55 pm

mohammed10 wrote:
stevemcqueen1 wrote:Mike Wise tweeted he heard the rumor is crap, Bulls trying to drum up value. Cleveland talking trade for Paul Pierce is probably the main reason. Cleveland is an ideal partner for Chicago because they can make an unbalanced trade and have tons of draft picks and young players to cobble some sort of package together. Plus Cleveland clearly wants a vet SF to baby sit that roster.


That makes so much more sense...

Please explain. I still sit here confused.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#1214 » by Knighthonor » Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:58 pm

pancakes3 wrote:
Knighthonor wrote:Again, if EG does something stupid in the draft its usually for a good reason, especially of the team that is benefiting from it is one of the teams in Stern's favor.

I expect number1 pick 2014 handed to the Wizards for helping Stern's team in favor of the year.
Aka Wizards get top three pick at least.


It is awesomely ironic to see someone be so naive as to believe in something so cynical.

Sorry for the awkward sentence.

Call me a conspiracy theorist but when has the NBA draft not had red flags of being rigged in shady ways.

Gil gun ==Number 1 Wall pick.
LeBane James== cav 1 pick.

Know I am not the only person that see these rigged patterns. Google it. NBA trying to deal the Hornets, they get top pick, and EG helps them with cap space and wins lotto the following year. Maybe those aren't connected, but maybe they are as well tho. Just saying.

Seem more naive to dismiss it without evidence that they don't do shady deals like this in the NBA. Can you prove they don't?
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#1215 » by stevemcqueen1 » Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:04 pm

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stevemcqueen1 wrote:Mike Wise tweeted he heard the rumor is crap, Bulls trying to drum up value. Cleveland talking trade for Paul Pierce is probably the main reason. Cleveland is an ideal partner for Chicago because they can make an unbalanced trade and have tons of draft picks and young players to cobble some sort of package together. Plus Cleveland clearly wants a vet SF to baby sit that roster.


That makes so much more sense...


Yeah, Cleveland and Chicago both have a need and both have the tools to meet the demands of the other in a trade. Cleveland wants a SF and they want a vet to stabilize the young roster and get Kyrie some immediate help. But their draft pick is too high to take the best SF in the class, and they can't trade down with anyone but us and still get Porter. And that doesn't help them find a veteran.

They've got more draft picks than they can use. They are there as trade ammunition. They can trade 19 and 31 and a future for Deng, take McLemore or Noel at 1 (or even Len if they're that into him...), and flesh out the quality of the team by a lot.

Chicago needs to get rid of Deng's salary ASAP apparently, even though Boozer is way more of an issue. Getting young developmental pieces to bolster a roster that is already a contender's future is gravy.

Side note, for such a successful team, and one that's built a contender through the draft, their FO has made some bad mistakes. Boozer was a mistake. Deng's contract was a mistake. And almost everything from the end of the Jerry Krause era to 2006 was a mistake. 2007 they got their act together and got majorly lucky in 2008.
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Post#1216 » by Woody Ball » Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:04 pm

My board...

Top 2 prospects: Noel, Oladipo
Next in line: McLemore, Porter, Burke
After them: Bennet, Len, Zeller...

I'm probably crazy to have Burke that high, but I like him (just not for the Wizards). McLemore is redundant as well. My only hedge at #3 is whether I'd take BPA (Oladipo) or the guy who fits us like a glove (Porter).

I think that's a reasonable debate. With Porter we're a 7/8 seed who will continue to need to add complimentary pieces at 4/5. With Oladipo, we're an upside group that would be hard to hang with on the perimeter. With two slashers in Wall/Dipo, this is the type of team that could really use a stretch 4.
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Post#1217 » by Knighthonor » Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:11 pm

@pro porter community, what are his liabilities for the Wizards?
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#1218 » by Woody Ball » Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:13 pm

Knighthonor wrote:@pro porter community, what are his liabilities for the Wizards?


Very small, IMO. Not a great shooter (yet) and not a great slasher. The former will matter when you're building around a slashing point guard. The latter would be helpful to make him an elite guy, but it's not a precursor to being a very good player.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#1219 » by nuposse04 » Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:18 pm

Knighthonor wrote:@pro porter community, what are his liabilities for the Wizards?


strength and handles. His first name is also kind of weird.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#1220 » by Knighthonor » Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:22 pm

Woody Ball wrote:
Knighthonor wrote:@pro porter community, what are his liabilities for the Wizards?


Very small, IMO. Not a great shooter (yet) and not a great slasher. The former will matter when you're building around a slashing point guard. The latter would be helpful to make him an elite guy, but it's not a precursor to being a very good player.

So any ideas for the best way to develop him to fit a long term wizard's goal? Thing he a future branch player or could be a key future starter?

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