Official Trade Thread - Part XXIV

[Dat2U]

Well if we throwing porter out for the wolves...
Celtics
Jeff green and humpries
for
porter and nene...

76ers
nene nd porter, 2014 1st
For
thad young, turner, hawes,
76ers will end up with wiggins

we can resign hawes and turner
ariza and okafor can net us another 1st rd

LOL that's worst than a LyricalRico trade. Good job.

I re-edited I think the new one is better, even though we wont see any draft picks no time soon

Wall/maynor
Beal/affalo
Porter/webster/vesely
Young/davis/harrington
Okafor/hawes/seraphin

We can take on a miami with this team

The Dolphins?

[deneem4]

LOL that's worst than a LyricalRico trade. Good job.

I re-edited I think the new one is better, even though we wont see any draft picks no time soon

Wall/maynor
Beal/affalo
Porter/webster/vesely
Young/davis/harrington
Okafor/hawes/seraphin

We can take on a miami with this team

The Dolphins?

Funny....

Miami hates shooters, attacking pgs, and big bruisers....we have all
Not to mention we can have a lineup where wall is our worst shooter...
Miami would have to play big to stop okafor and hawes, both bosh and haslem too small regardless... bron would have to guard wall (wade dont have the knees) which leaves thad as our xfactor, or even porter..
Affalo and webster off the bench is floor spacing heaven...basically we cam limit miami to 1 productive lineup, while we can rotate ours and almost keep rhe the same productivity (maynor cant be wall)

[deneem4]

Its wont happen but...

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kkczozk

76ers get a 2015 1st and 2nd
Sac get a 2014 1st and 2016 1st
Magic get a 2015 2nd and 2014 2nd

[mhd]

What about Porter for Hawes+Pelicans 2014 1st that Philly has?

Hawes becomes a much needed skilled shooting big, and that Pelicans 1st rounder could potentially be pretty good.

[stevemcqueen1]

What about Porter for Hawes+Pelicans 2014 1st that Philly has?

Hawes becomes a much needed skilled shooting big, and that Pelicans 1st rounder could potentially be pretty good.

No thanks. Why is everyone trying to trade Porter, mostly for some crap? We just got him less than four months ago.

[montestewart]

What about Porter for Hawes+Pelicans 2014 1st that Philly has?

Hawes becomes a much needed skilled shooting big, and that Pelicans 1st rounder could potentially be pretty good.

No thanks. Why is everyone trying to trade Porter, mostly for some crap? We just got him less than four months ago.

He's scoring 0.0 PPG. Trade him!

[verbal8]

What about Porter for Hawes+Pelicans 2014 1st that Philly has?

Hawes becomes a much needed skilled shooting big, and that Pelicans 1st rounder could potentially be pretty good.

No thanks. Why is everyone trying to trade Porter, mostly for some crap? We just got him less than four months ago.

I am not saying I would trade him, but I can see some of the reasoning. He is the best "tradeable" asset that the Wizards have and he plays a position where the Wizards have decent depth. Also the Wizards have a glaring need for a quality big with Okafor injured.

looking at the rest of the roster:
Wall/Beal - "untouchable"
Maynor/Webster - can't be traded until later in the season, possibly negative trade value due to contracts
Okafor - injured
Nene - useful player with probably slightly negative trade value at this point
Glen Rice - may attract interest, but return would be low
Booker - useful if healthy, no value if not
Singleton/Vesley/Seraphin - the reason the wizards need help up front
Ariza - useful, but limited return
Temple/Harrington - may contribute, but there is a reason they signed for the vet minimum

[payitforward]

4 months after he was taken #3 in the draft, Otto Porter is just as "untouchable" as Wall or Beal. I'm not saying he'll be as good as either of them, just that like them he won't be traded.

So I can't see the point in thinking about trades that would include him.

[Dat2U]

I've come to the conclusion, that if your gut tells you that you've made a mistake with a recent draft pick, trade him before other teams & scouts have a chance to realize you've made a mistake.

Not saying Porter was a mistake, but if the front office had legitimate doubts about his ability now, they might as well trade him ASAP. Swallow your ego, admit a mistake and try to correct it... instead of the Grunfeld plan which is to hold on to draft picks until every method to develop them is exhausted, even after it's clear that they aren't capable of developing beyond what they already are.

[nate33]

I've come to the conclusion, that if your gut tells you that you've made a mistake with a recent draft pick, trade him before other teams & scouts have a chance to realize you've made a mistake.

Not saying Porter was a mistake, but if the front office had legitimate doubts about his ability now, they might as well trade him ASAP. Swallow your ego, admit a mistake and try to correct it... instead of the Grunfeld plan which is to hold on to draft picks until every method to develop them is exhausted, even after it's clear that they aren't capable of developing beyond what they already are.

I think it's already too late. Trading him now would surely result in us getting much less in return than we would have gotten on draft day. He cost us a #3 pick but probably return something equivalent to a #10-15 pick if we traded him.

I don't think Porter will be worthy of his draft position, but I'm still reasonably confident that he'll be worthy of a pick in the 10-15 range, so there really wouldn't be any benefit in trading him. May as well stick with him now.

In general, trading a disappointing rookie for decent value is close to impossible. The only exceptions are really raw 7-footers whom stupid GM's think may be slow developers (think Kwame Brown). Other than that, I think the odds are better that your rookie surprises to the upside than they are that you will trade him for someone of decent value.

Bottom line: once you suspect you may have picked a bust, the rest of the league figures it out too.

[payitforward]

I've come to the conclusion, that if your gut tells you that you've made a mistake with a recent draft pick, trade him before other teams & scouts have a chance to realize you've made a mistake.

Not saying Porter was a mistake, but if the front office had legitimate doubts about his ability now, they might as well trade him ASAP. Swallow your ego, admit a mistake and try to correct it... instead of the Grunfeld plan which is to hold on to draft picks until every method to develop them is exhausted, even after it's clear that they aren't capable of developing beyond what they already are.

Grunfeld can't be wrong; therefore he never has to admit a mistake. Can't wait for him to be fired -- or more likely for him to retire.

As to Porter, where would anybody get this "gut" feeling of a "mistake?" Where would the "legitimate doubts" come from? They saw more of him before the draft than they have since!

This is a guy who had an outstanding Freshman year in a big time program, then followed it up by being Big East player of the year as a Sophomore. I cannot understand all the anxiety about him.

Where are all the guys who a year ago were 100% sure we should have taken Harrison Barnes instead of Beal?

Or maybe Jeremy Lamb? Or Dion Waiters? Where are all the guys to whom it was *so obvious* that Thomas Robinson was going to be a much better pro than Beal?

Why don't we give Otto Porter the chance to play NBA basketball before coming to conclusions about him?

[Upper Decker]

High lotto picks lose value very quickly if they don't produce immediately. Look at Thomas Robinson. The rose was off the bloom in a couple months and was traded twice for pennies on the dollar.

I consider Robinson and Porter to be in similar college circumstances. Both a little older, playing for huge college programs. Both good but not great college players. Both came into the NBA with legit questions on how they'll be effective. Robinson busted immediately. Porter, well, we shall see...

[Nivek]

Porter rated a little ahead of Robinson in YODA, but there were some red flags on Robinson that just aren't there for Porter. Porter was extremely efficient offensively -- Robinson was not. Robinson's 2pt FG% once he became a full-time player was poor for a PF prospect; Porter's shooting was solid from everywhere. Robinson was a junior whose best year was as a low-minute sophomore. Porter was good as a freshman, and improved significantly as a sophomore.

Porter was a legitimate top 5 pick. I'd have picked Zeller or Noel, but there's no reason at this point to think Porter will fail to be a productive pro.

[Dat2U]

I've come to the conclusion, that if your gut tells you that you've made a mistake with a recent draft pick, trade him before other teams & scouts have a chance to realize you've made a mistake.

Not saying Porter was a mistake, but if the front office had legitimate doubts about his ability now, they might as well trade him ASAP. Swallow your ego, admit a mistake and try to correct it... instead of the Grunfeld plan which is to hold on to draft picks until every method to develop them is exhausted, even after it's clear that they aren't capable of developing beyond what they already are.

Grunfeld can't be wrong; therefore he never has to admit a mistake. Can't wait for him to be fired -- or more likely for him to retire.

As to Porter, where would anybody get this "gut" feeling of a "mistake?" Where would the "legitimate doubts" come from? They saw more of him before the draft than they have since!

This is a guy who had an outstanding Freshman year in a big time program, then followed it up by being Big East player of the year as a Sophomore. I cannot understand all the anxiety about him.

Where are all the guys who a year ago were 100% sure we should have taken Harrison Barnes instead of Beal?

Or maybe Jeremy Lamb? Or Dion Waiters? Where are all the guys to whom it was *so obvious* that Thomas Robinson was going to be a much better pro than Beal?

Why don't we give Otto Porter the chance to play NBA basketball before coming to conclusions about him?

I'm sure the team has been watching Porter closely throughout the summer. They'd have a better feel for things than us fans would. I'm not saying I have a gut feeling. How could I? I haven't seen him since those brief minutes in summer league and that was too small a sample size to really draw any conclusions other than him being out of shape, very tentative & playing out of position.

[stevemcqueen1]

Asik trade 1:

Asik + T Jones or D Montiejunas for Okafor.

Why it makes sense for Houston:

14.5 million dollar expiring contract for two players they don't need and can barely use. 14.5 million gets them most of the way to another max contract offer.

Why it makes sense for Washington:

We're probably losing Okafor in the offseason no matter what. We need a big body defense and rebounding guy and Asik would be that guy. We can use him 30 minutes a night, so it's a better situation for him. Contract is two years and looks affordable.

Asik trade 2:

Asik for Ariza.

For Houston: get a useful player on a sizeable expiring for a player they don't need.

For DC: get a useful player in return for a player you can afford to deal because of Porter.

Asik trade 3:

Asik + Len for Okafor

For Houston: Sheds almost 17 million in salary for this summer, basically clears up enough room for another max contract in one fell swoop. But the downside is they lose their PG this year and would have to go out and find another one. Unless they want to go with Beverly full time...

For Washington: Less ideal for us because we really don't need Len and his contract would be bothersome this summer, but it gets us Asik.

I think the first two trades benefit both teams and make sense. I'd even be willing to add well protected future draft picks if necessary. Don't care for the third trade as much.

[Nivek]

Asik trade 1:

Asik + T Jones or D Montiejunas for Okafor.

Can't see Houston considering this until/unless Okafor returns to the floor. They want to win -- a lot -- this season. Asik may not be happy, but he'll be a better backup center than a sidelined Okafor. Houston would insist on getting a healthy player in return for Asik.

Asik trade 2:

Asik for Ariza.

Makes a lot of sense for both teams, I think. My guess is that Houston would demand more for Asik than Ariza -- probably the Wizards 2014 1st round pick. Which I would not include from the Wizards side of things.

Asik trade 3:

Asik + Lin for Okafor

Sorta like this one for both sides, except for the issue of Okafor's health. Lin could make a nice backup for Wall (he's definitely better than Maynor), or could be trade bait for another deal.

[Dat2U]

Asik & Lin for Nene & Singleton is probably deal that might be worthy of consideration for all parties.

Another one that might be even better is Asik, Lin & Montiejunas for Nene & Ariza

[LyricalRico]

Asik & Lin for Nene & Singleton is probably deal that might be worthy of consideration for all parties.

Another one that might be even better is Asik, Lin & Montiejunas for Nene & Ariza

I'd say yes to either, although Ted's wallet may say no due to the cash payouts due Asik/Lin next season (like $30M in actual salary, even though they will only count around half that against the cap).

I'd be even more excited if we could flip Lin to a third team and get another big back. I'd even take a big that had a couple years left on his deal since we're moving Nene's contract.

[nuposse04]

I'd do Ariza+'15 1st (top 10 protected) +...Singleton? for Asik+T. Jones.

I'm fairly high on t. Jones as a decent stretch 4 prospect.

[Dark Faze]

I'd do the above trade for an unprotected 15 pick to be honest.

With projects like Beal, Porter, T. Jones and Rice Jr. you're set in the youth department. Asik is one of the best bigs in basketball and there's virtually zero chance we miss the playoffs so long as he's on the floor.

From there, you just swap Nenes expiring in a year or two with the best available PF on the market should T. Jones not fit the bill by that point.