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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1201 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Sat Mar 8, 2014 12:41 am

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SUPERBALLMAN wrote:I'm one of the biggest Otto supporters out there, but I was somewhat disappointed by his game. I mean he still looks nervous, and seems to just be getting himself used to being on the court with NBA players. Going by memory, he first attempted an ill-advised behind the back move that resulted in a turnover. He then clumsily fumbled the ball off to another player. Then Wall passed him the ball for a wide open shot, and Porter instead passed it up tossing it back out to Wall who looked surprised and confused why Porter didn't shoot and put up a 3 ball that he missed. Then later Otto went up for a shot with his slow hitch-laden release and was blocked. In general to me he looks uncoordinated, awkward, nervous, slow, indecisive, and intimidated. I'm still confident this is not the real Otto, and it won't be too long before we see the light turn on and he is comfortable out there and becomes a player.

I'm hoping he has made a permanent move into the regular rotation. I'm like him off the bench playing with the old vets to help with his acclimation... Harrington, Gooden, Porter, Webster, Miller is looking like a good 2nd unit to me for the time being. When Seraphin comes back he can get put in there, as well as Booker once Nene returns to the starting lineup. But I think getting Porter out there with those guys the next couple of games could go a long way in helping him find his comfort level.


Interesting that you had that perspective. Looking at it again, it looked like to me that Wall was calling for the ball. Yes Porter passed up a wide open 2 but the Wizards got a wide open corner 3 for Wall.

I agree that Porter needs to be more aggressive out there. In this instance, it didn't hurt him much because other players (ie Gooden and Harrington) stepped up their games.

As for a permanent role in the rotation, maybe 4-5 minutes once Martell Webster gets back. I agree that getting minutesthough would help immensely with his long term development.




From JMichael :

This probably means that Otto Porter, who has gotten most of Webster's minutes and played a season-high 22 vs. Utah but wasn't very effective, will fall back in the rotation. Porter was timid on offense, passing up an open shot in the lane and deferring to John Wall in the corner for a three-point attempt. When Porter finally took a shot, his only one of the game, he was blocked by Jeremy Evans.



Not only that, but to take it further, I noticed Wall giving Porter a couple looks after that play like "what's up with you can you play?" and "we used a #3 pick on you?". Also, I noticed a few times Wall had the ball and looked at Porter than passed it to someone else. One time Porter was waving his hand for the ball under the basket and Wall looked him off. I also noticed once Wall walking off the court and gave 5 to Temple, and Porter came up for a 5 and Wall put his hand down and walked past him.
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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1202 » by sashae » Wed Mar 12, 2014 8:18 pm

From today's Bill Simmons NBA mailbag:

Q: Do you remember Otto Porter? I’m generally concerned because he was drafted third overall. Is he still alive?!
—Danny D., Philly

SG: He’s actually still alive. I Googled it and everything. He’s played a whopping 254 minutes this season! Since 1990, only three top-three picks have played less than 500 minutes as rookies: Greg Oden (missed the year because of knee surgery), Darko Milicic (played 159 minutes for Detroit) and Otto Porter. To put that in perspective, Kwame Brown, Pervis Ellison and Hasheem Thabeet all passed the 800-minute mark as rookies. Even Anthony Bennett played 647 minutes before recently going down with a knee (h/t Al Michaels). On the other hand, anytime you can spend the third overall pick on a third-string small forward, you have to do it. I ask you again: Why do we insist on enabling dumb teams?


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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1203 » by dangermouse » Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:34 pm

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Post#1204 » by rockymac52 » Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:48 pm

Eh, I'm not giving up yet. At all. I liked the pick last summer and I still like it now. Am I a little discouraged by his lack of playing time and performance so far? Yes, of course! But I can talk myself into believing that it was inevitable because there simply weren't any minutes available for him with Ariza and Webster on the roster, needing at least 28 minutes a piece, and playing at a much higher level than you could realistically expect a rookie to play at (even the 3rd overall pick - in a weak draft, mind you).

I think Ernie actually played his cards perfectly. He liked Otto, and had faith in his value long-term. But we already had 2 very capable SFs on the roster. I understand many of you didn't want Webster re-signed, but what if the long-term plan was always to have Otto come along slowly as he bulks up and adjusts to the NBA game, and eventually pair him with Webster, while giving Ariza an entire season to showcase his skills in order to increase his trade value? Even if we re-sign Ariza, it doesn't mean he's in our long-term plans. We could very well be prepared to let Ariza and Webster play all of the SF and backup SG minutes again, with Otto riding the pine, for another season, but then have a plan to move Ariza next summer or at the deadline, but only once we know that Otto is ACTUALLY ready to play significant minutes in the NBA. If he doesn't live up to our expectations, then good news, we already have Webster and Ariza on the roster, so our SF rotation is taken care of! If Otto's ready, then we can trade Ariza for assets, most likely a backup PG or big man or maybe a 1st round pick. ASSET MANAGEMENT. Ernie's a lot smarter than you all give him credit for.
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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1205 » by rockymac52 » Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:51 pm

I'll also add that it was really encouraging to read that Gortat interview the other day, when he mentioned the appeal of staying in DC was that Wall and Beal are stars in the making, and then also that Otto was going to be a good player one day. Gortat sees the work Otto puts in a lot more than we do, and he would theoretically know a lot better than us. If Otto's the 3rd guy he's listing, that's a very good sign, IMO. How easy would it have been for Gortat to already brush Otto off and forget about him? Otto's still a part of our future core.
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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1206 » by dobrojim » Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:26 pm

I'd be curious to see/listen to that interview given what I was told re
Gortat (not) coming back. I heard what I heard but I might be convinced
that it is not true after listening/watching this. Do you have a link?

edit - never mind - just saw an extended quote in the Polish hammer thread
that appears to be what you are referring to.
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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1207 » by sashae » Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:29 pm

rockymac52 -- I tend to believe that rookie-or-not, a guy has to show at least /some/ promise on the floor in his rookie year. Otto has looked totally and utterly lost when he's on the floor. Guys that have NBA talent will at least show flashes -- he looked like a rec leaguer. I'm not ready to call him a bust, but having historically low playing time for a rookie lottery pick isn't exactly screaming "great pick."
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Post#1208 » by deneem4 » Sat Mar 15, 2014 2:19 pm

With beal injures he should see backup sf minutes since webster will.most likely be starting now
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Post#1209 » by Illmatic21 » Mon Mar 17, 2014 1:59 am

Gorgui Dieng with 12,11, 5 blocks, 2 steals.. yet another rookie showing promise while Otto has done nothing. Smh
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Post#1210 » by doclinkin » Mon Mar 17, 2014 2:32 am

Illmatic21 wrote:Gorgui Dieng with 12,11, 5 blocks, 2 steals.. yet another rookie showing promise while Otto has done nothing. Smh


Yeah that was my guy. Especially before we landed the 3 pick I wanted a trade down for Dieng + whatever. The key player on the Tourney Champ team is often a solid pick n the league if they have the basic athleticism to make it in the league and a role that translates to the league.
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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1211 » by mohammed10 » Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:15 am

Lol Porter put in work tonight...

He got in for almost 6 seconds!
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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1212 » by AFM » Mon Mar 24, 2014 5:09 pm

Otto Porter: worse rookie than Jan Vesely
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Post#1213 » by Dat2U » Mon Mar 24, 2014 5:34 pm

AFM wrote:Otto Porter: worse rookie than Jan Vesely


Otto Porter is being done no favors by this front office & coaching staff that has put him in a position to rot behind two solid vets so it's frustrating to me to see fans throw the Vesely comparisons out there. Especially when Ves was a dog of a prospect who never seriously worked on his game. Otto may never be an all-star but I'd bet everything on him being a heckuva a lot better than Vesely for the simple fact that Otto will actually work hard to improve.

I hope I can remember posts like this in a year when you'll be eating a mouthful of crow.
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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1214 » by nate33 » Mon Mar 24, 2014 5:43 pm

Dat2U wrote:
AFM wrote:Otto Porter: worse rookie than Jan Vesely


Otto Porter is being done no favors by this front office & coaching staff that has put him in a position to rot behind two solid vets so it's frustrating to me to see fans throw the Vesely comparisons out there. Especially when Ves was a dog of a prospect who never seriously worked on his game. Otto may never be an all-star but I'd bet everything on him being a heckuva a lot better than Vesely for the simple fact that Otto will actually work hard to improve.

I hope I can remember posts like this in a year when you'll be eating a mouthful of crow.

To be fair, Porter as a rookie is indeed worse than what Vesely did as a rookie. It's impossible to eat crow on that one because it is categorically true.
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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1215 » by dckingsfan » Mon Mar 24, 2014 6:03 pm

nate33 wrote:
Dat2U wrote:
AFM wrote:Otto Porter: worse rookie than Jan Vesely


Otto Porter is being done no favors by this front office & coaching staff that has put him in a position to rot behind two solid vets so it's frustrating to me to see fans throw the Vesely comparisons out there. Especially when Ves was a dog of a prospect who never seriously worked on his game. Otto may never be an all-star but I'd bet everything on him being a heckuva a lot better than Vesely for the simple fact that Otto will actually work hard to improve.

I hope I can remember posts like this in a year when you'll be eating a mouthful of crow.


To be fair, Porter as a rookie is indeed worse than what Vesely did as a rookie. It's impossible to eat crow on that one because it is categorically true.


And that one really hurt - really a huge OUCH. Almost as much as the 2011 NBA draft. But like Vesely, I think all of us are hoping for him to turn the corner quickly next year.
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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1216 » by Dat2U » Mon Mar 24, 2014 6:07 pm

nate33 wrote:
Dat2U wrote:
AFM wrote:Otto Porter: worse rookie than Jan Vesely


Otto Porter is being done no favors by this front office & coaching staff that has put him in a position to rot behind two solid vets so it's frustrating to me to see fans throw the Vesely comparisons out there. Especially when Ves was a dog of a prospect who never seriously worked on his game. Otto may never be an all-star but I'd bet everything on him being a heckuva a lot better than Vesely for the simple fact that Otto will actually work hard to improve.

I hope I can remember posts like this in a year when you'll be eating a mouthful of crow.

To be fair, Porter as a rookie is indeed worse than what Vesely did as a rookie. It's impossible to eat crow on that one because it is categorically true.


Again I still don't know how you determine the worth a player in 250 minutes? Even Vesely had 1,078 minutes as a rookie. If Porter got anything close to those type of minutes then yes, a better judgement can be made. But as of right now? 250 minutes tells me basically nothing.
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Post#1217 » by Dat2U » Mon Mar 24, 2014 6:14 pm

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nate33 wrote:
Dat2U wrote:
Otto Porter is being done no favors by this front office & coaching staff that has put him in a position to rot behind two solid vets so it's frustrating to me to see fans throw the Vesely comparisons out there. Especially when Ves was a dog of a prospect who never seriously worked on his game. Otto may never be an all-star but I'd bet everything on him being a heckuva a lot better than Vesely for the simple fact that Otto will actually work hard to improve.

I hope I can remember posts like this in a year when you'll be eating a mouthful of crow.


To be fair, Porter as a rookie is indeed worse than what Vesely did as a rookie. It's impossible to eat crow on that one because it is categorically true.


And that one really hurt - really a huge OUCH. Almost as much as the 2011 NBA draft. But like Vesely, I think all of us are hoping for him to turn the corner quickly next year.


I had no hope for Vesely. I am still optimistic about Porter.

Ves didn't work on his game. He never showed the dedication to improve his skill level.

Porter took a big jump in his skill level from frosh to soph season and his work ethic has never been questioned.

Ves was an iffy prospect coming out. A 21 yr old overseas role player with no skill level.

Porter was Big East POY and worthy a lottery pick in any draft (maybe not as high as 3rd pick in most years).
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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1218 » by dckingsfan » Mon Mar 24, 2014 6:25 pm

Dat2U wrote:I had no hope for Vesely. I am still optimistic about Porter.

Ves didn't work on his game. He never showed the dedication to improve his skill level.

Porter took a big jump in his skill level from frosh to soph season and his work ethic has never been questioned.

Ves was an iffy prospect coming out. A 21 yr old overseas role player with no skill level.

Porter was Big East POY and worthy a lottery pick in any draft (maybe not as high as 3rd pick in most years).


Valid points all... my point is the draft pick as it equates to this year when you really want your rookie contributing. Porter may well turn out to be a player - only time will tell. Was he the right pick based upon who we had on the team - I doubt my opinion of him will change that much.
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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1219 » by AFM » Mon Mar 24, 2014 6:28 pm

Dat2U wrote:
AFM wrote:Otto Porter: worse rookie than Jan Vesely


Otto Porter is being done no favors by this front office & coaching staff that has put him in a position to rot behind two solid vets so it's frustrating to me to see fans throw the Vesely comparisons out there. Especially when Ves was a dog of a prospect who never seriously worked on his game. Otto may never be an all-star but I'd bet everything on him being a heckuva a lot better than Vesely for the simple fact that Otto will actually work hard to improve.

I hope I can remember posts like this in a year when you'll be eating a mouthful of crow.

I agree he will definitely be "a heckuva a lot better than vesely". Talk about damning with faint praise.

Right now he is awful
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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1220 » by Dat2U » Mon Mar 24, 2014 6:38 pm

dckingsfan wrote:Was he the right pick based upon who we had on the team - I doubt my opinion of him will change that much.


Well I agree there. My opinion won't change. They should of drafted Noel. But that doesn't mean I think Porter won't turn into a very useful player at some point.

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