Official Trade Thread - Part XXVI

JWallConnect · Post #1201 » by **JWallConnect** » Sun Feb 16, 2014 8:35 pm

Wizardspride wrote::o

Stuckey for Ariza

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Stuckey and Monroe for Ariza and Gortat :wink:

stinger14 · Post #1202 » by **stinger14** » Sun Feb 16, 2014 9:22 pm

Trade with Charlotte

Ariza for Sessions

Wiz get a backup PG, and still have Webster and Otto to play SF

TGW · Post #1203 » by **TGW** » Sun Feb 16, 2014 9:39 pm

stinger14 wrote:Trade with Charlotte

Ariza for Sessions

Wiz get a backup PG, and still have Webster and Otto to play SF

Ariza is so much better than Sessions—the Wiz would need comp to make that trade.

stinger14 · Post #1204 » by **stinger14** » Sun Feb 16, 2014 10:06 pm

TGW wrote:
stinger14 wrote:Trade with Charlotte

Ariza for Sessions

Wiz get a backup PG, and still have Webster and Otto to play SF

Ariza is so much better than Sessions—the Wiz would need comp to make that trade.

Yes, but Sessions is what the Wizards need. He would be a very good backup for Wall. Could probably get him and a second round pick for Ariza

nuposse04 · Post #1205 » by **nuposse04** » Sun Feb 16, 2014 11:02 pm

stinger14 wrote:
TGW wrote:
stinger14 wrote:Trade with Charlotte

Ariza for Sessions

Wiz get a backup PG, and still have Webster and Otto to play SF

Ariza is so much better than Sessions—the Wiz would need comp to make that trade.

Yes, but Sessions is what the Wizards need. He would be a very good backup for Wall. Could probably get him and a second round pick for Ariza

I'd give Webster for Sessions or Stuckey maybe, but that is about it. Ariza is too damn good right now to trade for decent backups. Ariza is seriously IMO a top 3 "3-D" SF this year. I was so wrong about him, he has really looked excellent next to Wall.

Post #1206 » by **penbeast0** » Sun Feb 16, 2014 11:18 pm

I'd deal Ariza for Sessions, I don't think we will (or should assuming he gets fair value) resign him and assuming good health for everyone, Sessions probably helps us more considering the replacement value (Porter or Maynot getting the lion's share of the minutes). Of course, it doesn't come close to matching salary-wise so our "brain trust" would have to work out the deal. And there it gets iffy . . . .

stinger14 · Post #1207 » by **stinger14** » Sun Feb 16, 2014 11:26 pm

penbeast0 wrote:I'd deal Ariza for Sessions, I don't think we will (or should assuming he gets fair value) resign him and assuming good health for everyone, Sessions probably helps us more considering the replacement value (Porter or Maynot getting the lion's share of the minutes). Of course, it doesn't come close to matching salary-wise so our "brain trust" would have to work out the deal. And there it gets iffy . . . .

Sessions does help more in terms of replacement value. Ariza out, Webster starts for the Wizards. Otto is a better backup for him than anybody the Wiz have for Wall. Makes the Wiz a deeper team, and you need that in the playoffs.

Ariza for Sessions does work money wise, no need to figure anything out.

jblaze2004 · Post #1208 » by **jblaze2004** » Sun Feb 16, 2014 11:48 pm

why didn't the wizards atleast keep marshall and cut another bench bum smh. Wizards need to clean house from GM down. They make to many head scratcher/laughable moves.

stinger14 · Post #1209 » by **stinger14** » Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:35 am

jblaze2004 wrote:why didn't the wizards atleast keep marshall and cut another bench bum smh. Wizards need to clean house from GM down. They make to many head scratcher/laughable moves.

Keeping Marshall would have been best, but that didn't happen. Wizards better get a capable backup before the playoffs start, or it will bite them in back side

Post #1210 » by **LyricalRico** » Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:38 am

The latest on the chances of trades happening:

Trade talk at All-Star weekend has been "as slow as it's been in a long time," said one executive who has not received a single phone call. A lot of teams have made it known which players they are open to moving, but the problem is finding trade partners. Very few teams are willing to part with premium draft picks or take on future salary, which are the two key drivers for trades.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/writer/ken ... for-caring

lastemp3ror · Post #1211 » by **lastemp3ror** » Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:54 am

Let's just trade all of our SF's so we miss the playoffs and get our pick back. Then draft McDermott as our future SF. I am kidding......kinda

Man he is KILLING it

TGW · Post #1212 » by **TGW** » Mon Feb 17, 2014 4:27 am

stinger14 wrote:
TGW wrote:
stinger14 wrote:Trade with Charlotte

Ariza for Sessions

Wiz get a backup PG, and still have Webster and Otto to play SF

Ariza is so much better than Sessions—the Wiz would need comp to make that trade.

Yes, but Sessions is what the Wizards need. He would be a very good backup for Wall. Could probably get him and a second round pick for Ariza

A backup for Wall is not that important since that player won't be getting more than 10-15 mpg. A starting quality wing is much more important.

ozthegandp · Post #1213 » by **ozthegandp** » Mon Feb 17, 2014 4:52 am

disagree. we need someone who can take more minutes from both wall and beal; someone who will allow us to rest our starters for the playoffs but not cause us to lose games by playing him.

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TGW · Post #1214 » by **TGW** » Mon Feb 17, 2014 5:01 am

ozthegandp wrote:disagree. we need someone who can take more minutes from both wall and beal; someone who will allow us to rest our starters for the playoffs but not cause us to lose games by playing him.

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That player can be found without sacrificing Ariza. Trading Ariza for a mediocre backup guard would be a typical Grunfeld move.

CntOutSmrtCrazy · Post #1215 » by **CntOutSmrtCrazy** » Mon Feb 17, 2014 5:04 am

Dat2U wrote:
CntOutSmrtCrazy wrote:Yeah I'm not a diehard EG hater

I'm sorry you lost me right there lol

That's fine, I'm okay with being a rational observer. I've never stated that EG has deserved the length of his current tenure. What I have said is that some on this board are impossible to make happy or are unable to give credit where it is due. The difference between myself and others, as opposed to a large faction on this board, is we can look at individual moves with objectivity while it's impossible for the latter group to say anything other than negative, 'whatever is completely opposite of EG' comments, suggestions, and rants. Fact is, I would rather another GM as opposed to EG, but I won't be blinded by some form of irrational hatred and say that every one of his moves equates to failure just because I don't like him.

80sballboy · Post #1216 » by **80sballboy** » Mon Feb 17, 2014 5:20 am

CntOutSmrtCrazy wrote:
Dat2U wrote:
CntOutSmrtCrazy wrote:Yeah I'm not a diehard EG hater

I'm sorry you lost me right there lol

That's fine, I'm okay with being a rational observer. I've never stated that EG has deserved the length of his current tenure. What I have said is that some on this board are impossible to make happy or are unable to give credit where it is due. The difference between myself and others, as opposed to a large faction on this board, is we can look at individual moves with objectivity while it's impossible for the latter group to say anything other than negative, 'whatever is completely opposite of EG' comments, suggestions, and rants. Fact is, I would rather another GM as opposed to EG, but I won't be blinded by some form of irrational hatred and say that every one of his moves equates to failure just because I don't like him.

He is a bad GM but some forget that Abe Pollin signed Gilbert with a bad knee and made that trade for Miller and Foye. So yeah, he has help in his lousy GMness.

ozthegandp · Post #1217 » by **ozthegandp** » Mon Feb 17, 2014 5:22 am

TGW wrote:
ozthegandp wrote:disagree. we need someone who can take more minutes from both wall and beal; someone who will allow us to rest our starters for the playoffs but not cause us to lose games by playing him.

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That player can be found without sacrificing Ariza. Trading Ariza for a mediocre backup guard would be a typical Grunfeld move.

oh. i didnt check the context of ur post

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CntOutSmrtCrazy · Post #1218 » by **CntOutSmrtCrazy** » Mon Feb 17, 2014 5:37 am

80sballboy wrote:
CntOutSmrtCrazy wrote:
Dat2U wrote:
I'm sorry you lost me right there lol

That's fine, I'm okay with being a rational observer. I've never stated that EG has deserved the length of his current tenure. What I have said is that some on this board are impossible to make happy or are unable to give credit where it is due. The difference between myself and others, as opposed to a large faction on this board, is we can look at individual moves with objectivity while it's impossible for the latter group to say anything other than negative, 'whatever is completely opposite of EG' comments, suggestions, and rants. Fact is, I would rather another GM as opposed to EG, but I won't be blinded by some form of irrational hatred and say that every one of his moves equates to failure just because I don't like him.

He is a bad GM but some forget that Abe Pollin signed Gilbert with a bad knee and made that trade for Miller and Foye. So yeah, he has help in his lousy GMness.

That is completely besides the point. What I believe is that some of the moves EG has made have been unfairly judged by some on this board as bad. I'm labeled an EG apologist by some on this board. Im okay with that, I'd rather be open than closed.

gambitx777 · Post #1219 » by **gambitx777** » Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:35 am

We do not need to give up a lot to get a good quality back up. I mean, why not just sell off spare parts, second rounders, over seas assets, or cash to get Perry Jackson's rights away from N.O. there is no need to give up ariza in that situation.

Dat2U · Post #1220 » by **Dat2U** » Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:58 pm

CntOutSmrtCrazy wrote:
Dat2U wrote:
CntOutSmrtCrazy wrote:Yeah I'm not a diehard EG hater

I'm sorry you lost me right there lol

That's fine, I'm okay with being a rational observer. I've never stated that EG has deserved the length of his current tenure. What I have said is that some on this board are impossible to make happy or are unable to give credit where it is due. The difference between myself and others, as opposed to a large faction on this board, is we can look at individual moves with objectivity while it's impossible for the latter group to say anything other than negative, 'whatever is completely opposite of EG' comments, suggestions, and rants. Fact is, I would rather another GM as opposed to EG, but I won't be blinded by some form of irrational hatred and say that every one of his moves equates to failure just because I don't like him.

I've seen 10 years of rational opinions made by EG apologists always looking for that ribbon in the sky. The fact is, Ernie has made those people look like fools over the past decade. The definition of insanity is repeating the same thing over and expecting a different result. So rational observations and analysis of EG's moves is a form of insanity. Basically your ignoring history and blindly hoping for a result that has little chance of coming to pass.