2016 Offseason Thread -- Not (just) #KD2DC

[bondom34]

I'd love Al to be our starting PF

But Boston has all those assets and they're desperate. They can do a sign and trade to give him that 5th year.

No. They can't.

Wait. Seriously??

Nope, That was the old CBA. Good luck to you guys, he would be a great fit with Wall.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

I'd love Al to be our starting PF

But Boston has all those assets and they're desperate. They can do a sign and trade to give him that 5th year.

I guess that 5th year gives Boston the advantage...

Oh well.

[dckingsfan]

PG: Wall
SG: Beal, Saty
SG: Porter, Oubre
PF: Horford, Morris
C: Gortat

Grab a backup C and backup PG and that team could be pretty good. I would be shocked.

[nate33]

I'd love Al to be our starting PF

But Boston has all those assets and they're desperate. They can do a sign and trade to give him that 5th year.

I guess that 5th year gives Boston the advantage...

Oh well.

Well, I would think that Horford would want a S&T for a 5 year contract. I think Boston might have more assets for Atlanta.

If that happens, smart move by Atlanta to go with Howard/Millsap as their FC rotation and try to pilfer as many assets from Boston as possible. They definitely would want one of Boston's PGs to backup Schroder.

Can't do that with the new CBA. That loophole has been closed. S&T's do not give the receiving team the ability to pay the player any more than they otherwise would if they were signing him as a free agent. The only thing a S&T would do is give Atlanta a big trade exemption.

[nate33]

PG: Wall
SG: Beal, Saty
SG: Porter, Oubre
PF: Horford, Morris
C: Gortat

Grab a backup C and backup PG and that team could be pretty good. I would be shocked.

Backup center is already covered assuming Horford steals 15 minutes a game there. I'd actually be looking at backup PF's like Quincy Acy.

[Dark Faze]

If we get Horford I'd be open to trading for Ariza. Give and Oubre and Porter the backup 2 and 3 spots with (hopefully) Sato running the bench. I'd like to bring back Hickson on a cheap 1 year deal.

Wall/Sato
Beal/Oubre
Ariza/Porter
Horford/Morris
Gortat/JJ

That team (if healthy) beats any team sans the Cavs in a playoff series out East imo

[nuposse04]

PG: Wall
SG: Beal, Saty
SG: Porter, Oubre
PF: Horford, Morris
C: Gortat

Grab a backup C and backup PG and that team could be pretty good. I would be shocked.

Backup center is already covered assuming Horford steals 15 minutes a game there. I'd actually be looking at backup PF's like Quincy Acy.

We need some wing depth... I suppose they'd look to retain Alan Anderson who was ok when healthy. I still think this McCellen kid could supplant Temple by years end. I wonder what vet min PG they can get. Could be simply a decent shooter with mild playmaking abilities should Sato come. Hell I wouldn't be opposed to Temple and Sato being the backup backcourt since Temple can hit the 3 ball at an ok rate and is a good scrapper.

[nate33]

If we get Horford I'd be open to trading for Ariza. Give and Oubre and Porter the backup 2 and 3 spots with (hopefully) Sato running the bench. I'd like to bring back Hickson on a cheap 1 year deal.

Wall/Sato
Beal/Oubre
Ariza/Porter
Horford/Morris
Gortat/JJ

That team (if healthy) beats any team sans the Cavs in a playoff series out East imo

Trade what for Ariza? I'm assuming Houston isn't particularly interested in giving away a starter with 2 years left on his contract at $7.6M per year.

[nuposse04]

If we get Horford I'd be open to trading for Ariza. Give and Oubre and Porter the backup 2 and 3 spots with (hopefully) Sato running the bench. I'd like to bring back Hickson on a cheap 1 year deal.

Wall/Sato
Beal/Oubre
Ariza/Porter
Horford/Morris
Gortat/JJ

That team (if healthy) beats any team sans the Cavs in a playoff series out East imo

You do realize, Porter had a better season then Ariza last season? I understand wanting good value wing players... but There aren't too many SFs that we could trade/sign that would move Porter to the bench.

[Dark Faze]

If we get Horford I'd be open to trading for Ariza. Give and Oubre and Porter the backup 2 and 3 spots with (hopefully) Sato running the bench. I'd like to bring back Hickson on a cheap 1 year deal.

Wall/Sato
Beal/Oubre
Ariza/Porter
Horford/Morris
Gortat/JJ

That team (if healthy) beats any team sans the Cavs in a playoff series out East imo

You do realize, Porter had a better season then Ariza last season? I understand wanting good value wing players... but There aren't too many SFs that we could trade/sign that would move Porter to the bench.

porter holding the ball and only taking the most open of shots while playing bad d doesn't impress me...we've seen how well ariza works with Wall in a system with two bigs down load with John--quick release with no hesitation and great defense

[stevemcqueen1]

I wonder how much the presence of Gortat will sway Horford's opinion. In Boston, Horford would be the center. Olynyk and Amir can play some 5, but when Horford is on the floor, he'll be the one banging against DeAndre Jordan and Demarcus Cousins. He may be tired of doing that.

Playing alongside Gortat, Horford won't have to guarding the opposition's starting center - except maybe during crunch time.

Good point. He might think of it as a career-extending decision for him - somewhat like Nene was thinking when he teamed up with Gortat.

If it comes down to the better organization, Boston would appear to be more appealing.

Well he pared it down to Wizards and Celtics... looking at the Celtics roster I don't get the big lovefest going on over it. They have good depth and youth, but Horford is 30 and seems a great fit next to Gortat and teamed with the Beal-Wall backcourt seems ideal as far as a ready made win now situation. Add in Morris and Porter, and the upside of Oubre, possibly Satoransky. Brooks has been a well regarded player friendly and successful head coach, upgraded from Wittman.

We have a real chance here, I guess we'll find out tonight!

Agreed. Boston has a lot of high quality role players. But we have a few too, and Wall is a legit star. Boston doesn't have one of those. Plus Beal has the upside to be a star too.

If it came down to pure basketball reasons, Horford has a better shot at eventual contention here than he would in Boston because we have better top end roster quality. That matters far more than having better middle and lower end quality.

And as others noted, we can offer Horford the chance to get his minutes at PF, whereas he'd play C for Boston.

But there are a lot of non-basketball reasons that favor Boston. They have a far bigger Dominican community and they enjoy much larger fan support and a much better game atmosphere. Their management is far better and their coach is also probably better than ours.

I hope he chooses us. It would be a game changing acquisition that would turn a disappointing offseason into a fairly substantial coup. But I wouldn't blame him if he chose Boston.

[AFM]

Horford's wife lives in Boston. Just throwing that out there.

[nuposse04]

If we get Horford I'd be open to trading for Ariza. Give and Oubre and Porter the backup 2 and 3 spots with (hopefully) Sato running the bench. I'd like to bring back Hickson on a cheap 1 year deal.

Wall/Sato
Beal/Oubre
Ariza/Porter
Horford/Morris
Gortat/JJ

That team (if healthy) beats any team sans the Cavs in a playoff series out East imo

You do realize, Porter had a better season then Ariza last season? I understand wanting good value wing players... but There aren't too many SFs that we could trade/sign that would move Porter to the bench.

porter holding the ball and only taking the most open of shots while playing bad d doesn't impress me...we've seen how well ariza works with Wall in a system with two bigs down load with John--quick release with no hesitation and great defense

However you want to misconstrue it is your call, but the reality as much as it may inconvenience you, is that Porter was a better player and was one of the few positively impactful players we had at the age of 22. He is also one of the few young guys we have had that has made CLEAR and evident improvements from year to year... And we are suppose to bench him for analogous production? Sorry but that is from Grunfeld house of insanity, which we ought to distance ourselves from.

[nate33]

If we get Horford I'd be open to trading for Ariza. Give and Oubre and Porter the backup 2 and 3 spots with (hopefully) Sato running the bench. I'd like to bring back Hickson on a cheap 1 year deal.

Wall/Sato
Beal/Oubre
Ariza/Porter
Horford/Morris
Gortat/JJ

That team (if healthy) beats any team sans the Cavs in a playoff series out East imo

You do realize, Porter had a better season then Ariza last season? I understand wanting good value wing players... but There aren't too many SFs that we could trade/sign that would move Porter to the bench.

porter holding the ball and only taking the most open of shots while playing bad d doesn't impress me...we've seen how well ariza works with Wall in a system with two bigs down load with John--quick release with no hesitation and great defense

Porter was better than Ariza in nearly ever measurable facet of basketball last year except steals. You complain about Porter holding the ball, yet he had a higher USG% and higher scoring rate than Ariza with better efficiency. Not to mention that Porter has improved dramatically every season so far and there's no reason to expect him to level off at age 22.

[stevemcqueen1]

PG: Wall
SG: Beal, Saty
SG: Porter, Oubre
PF: Horford, Morris
C: Gortat

Grab a backup C and backup PG and that team could be pretty good. I would be shocked.

Backup center is already covered assuming Horford steals 15 minutes a game there. I'd actually be looking at backup PF's like Quincy Acy.

In an ideal world where money wasn't an issue, I would rather Horford get almost all of his minutes at PF and have a fourth big who is a true C come off the bench for the remaining C minutes.

A serious Gortat injury has been a big landmine for us the past few years that we have been lucky to avoid. Whether or not we sign Horford, I think we need to get a real and credible dedicated back up C. Even if we manage to get Horford, we aren't going to want to have to play him at C for all of his minutes if Gortat went down.

But I'm afraid that we're not going to have the money to get a good back up C if we sign Horford.

[nate33]

PG: Wall
SG: Beal, Saty
SG: Porter, Oubre
PF: Horford, Morris
C: Gortat

Grab a backup C and backup PG and that team could be pretty good. I would be shocked.

Backup center is already covered assuming Horford steals 15 minutes a game there. I'd actually be looking at backup PF's like Quincy Acy.

In an ideal world where money wasn't an issue, I would rather Horford get almost all of his minutes at PF and have a fourth big who is a true C come off the bench for the remaining C minutes.

A serious Gortat injury has been a big landmine for us the past few years that we have been lucky to avoid. Whether or not we sign Horford, I think we need to get a real and credible dedicated back up C. Even if we manage to get Horford, we aren't going to want to have to play him at C for all of his minutes if Gortat went down.

But I'm afraid that we're not going to have the money to get a good back up C if we sign Horford.

We definitely need another body, but it's not a position I would spend much money on before first making sure we filled the backup PG spot adequately. If we could add somebody like Hickson for the room minimum, I'd be satisfied.

[mhd]

PG: Wall
SG: Beal, Saty
SG: Porter, Oubre
PF: Horford, Morris
C: Gortat

Grab a backup C and backup PG and that team could be pretty good. I would be shocked.

Backup center is already covered assuming Horford steals 15 minutes a game there. I'd actually be looking at backup PF's like Quincy Acy.

In an ideal world where money wasn't an issue, I would rather Horford get almost all of his minutes at PF and have a fourth big who is a true C come off the bench for the remaining C minutes.

A serious Gortat injury has been a big landmine for us the past few years that we have been lucky to avoid. Whether or not we sign Horford, I think we need to get a real and credible dedicated back up C. Even if we manage to get Horford, we aren't going to want to have to play him at C for all of his minutes if Gortat went down.

But I'm afraid that we're not going to have the money to get a good back up C if we sign Horford.

Dare I say it, resign Nene for a year?

[SUPERBALLMAN]

What about Ty Lawson?

Also, some ex-Wizards that seem to be out there as UFA include Seraphin, Humphries and Booker.

[AFM]

Between his wife living in Boston, the fact that they made the playoffs last year and we didn't, and our general reputation as the clown show of the NBA, I'd say our chance at signing Horford is under 10%.

[JWizmentality]

Horford's wife lives in Boston. Just throwing that out there.

Not quite, she is from Boston but they live in Atlanta

http://www.ameliavega.net/

Magazine article on the webpage talks about their home in Atlanta. You honestly think Horford stayed in Atlanta for the last few years leaving that piece by her lonesome in freakin Boston.