Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII

[bealwithit]

I really would like Drummond but I don't think there's a package we could offer that wouldn't destroy our chances to build a better bench over the next 2 seasons. If we would only give up one of either the 2017 or 2018 1st I'd do the deal throwing in Gortat, Oubre, and Nicholson.

I feel negatively about how that impacts our long-term future and the current locker room because I think Gortat is very well liked. We'd have to really hope that our 2017 2nd and 2018 1st are home run picks. However, Wall-Beal-Porter-Markieff-Drummond as our starting five for at least a few years would be very tempting. I doubt there's a trade that happens here for Drummond just because it would be so major and things are going so well for the team, but man I like the sound of that team.


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[sfam]

I really would like Drummond but I don't think there's a package we could offer that wouldn't destroy our chances to build a better bench over the next 2 seasons. If we would only give up one of either the 2017 or 2018 1st I'd do the deal throwing in Gortat, Oubre, and Nicholson.

I feel negatively about how that impacts our long-term future and the current locker room because I think Gortat is very well liked. We'd have to really hope that our 2017 2nd and 2018 1st are home run picks. However, Wall-Beal-Porter-Markieff-Drummond as our starting five for at least a few years would be very tempting. I doubt there's a trade that happens here for Drummond just because it would be so major and things are going so well for the team, but man I like the sound of that team.


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I love our starting 5. I'm having a hard time thinking of a better center for our team and salary. Gortat really fits us perfectly, and should be good for another year or two.

I'm not sure I ever see Drummond fitting all that great here. A pick and roll center who can catch quick shots to finish around the rim and hit a midrange shot seems sort of ideal for us.

[NatP4]

I would not be shocked if we have **** in the works but it won't pop off till friday, after the pacers game. We can't let a team 4.5 games back from us get a win on us in a tight east. Sure were are not trading our core 6 guys, and sato is safe, and if smith goes any where ill be shocked. I can see mahinmi, burke, and cniholson gone. Give mahinmi one more game to look good and keep the team chemistry up, crush the pacers and move on. I think EG pulls something off I hope.

I guarantee they don't trade Mahinmi. Nicholson Burke Thornton are the only ones i can see being moved. fingers crossed its all 3.

[gambitx777]

Yeah I'm not all that interested in drummond if it means moving a starter. Its a marginal and minor improvement, thats not worth the assets. Now if they were to take a mahinmi, nicholson, burke for drumman and morris, then I'm willing to over pay in picks for that, because adding gortat to our bench and Morris #2 to the bench and drummond starting massively improves us. I would do 2017 first 2018 second 2019 first. but that's probably not getting a deal done.

I would rather flip Mahinmi and burke to the bucks for henson and Dellavedova (give them cash enough to cover the pay of mahinmi and burke for the rest of the year) Might not even need a pick attached considering it saves them so much money long term, then flip Nicholson for something with a second or two. The pelicans seem to have a bit of remorse over buddy heild. Maybe we can do Nicholson and a 2017 second and a 2018 first for Heild and Jones.
Dellaavedova, Heild, Kelley, Jones, Henson is one hell of a nice bench unit. and if we move smith to a team looking to get the the floor or make the play offs in the east like the nuggets who are in need of a back up center, we would be about mill over our current cap situation next year which might be taken care of if the cap goes up a little more than projected like it normally does. obviously we would cut Thornton.

[payitforward]

I would not be shocked if we have **** in the works but it won't pop off till friday, after the pacers game. We can't let a team 4.5 games back from us get a win on us in a tight east. Sure were are not trading our core 6 guys, and sato is safe, and if smith goes any where ill be shocked. I can see mahinmi, burke, and cniholson gone. Give mahinmi one more game to look good and keep the team chemistry up, crush the pacers and move on. I think EG pulls something off I hope.

I guarantee they don't trade Mahinmi. Nicholson Burke Thornton are the only ones i can see being moved. fingers crossed its all 3.

I'm worried they're going to move Sheldon McClellan. There's a lot of interest in Sheldon around the league.

[payitforward]

I would not be shocked if we have **** in the works but it won't pop off till friday, after the pacers game. We can't let a team 4.5 games back from us get a win on us in a tight east. Sure were are not trading our core 6 guys, and sato is safe, and if smith goes any where ill be shocked. I can see mahinmi, burke, and cniholson gone. Give mahinmi one more game to look good and keep the team chemistry up, crush the pacers and move on. I think EG pulls something off I hope.

I guarantee they don't trade Mahinmi. Nicholson Burke Thornton are the only ones i can see being moved. fingers crossed its all 3.

...but not our R1 pick in any draft. Or our R2 pick. Or Sheldon McClellan.

[gambitx777]

Pif I think sometimes you need to be ok letting go of a pick or two really. the gortat trade ll in all worked out and so did morris. Yes this pick may or may not have panned out but we are in contention for the ECFs this year. Its not all bad. I'm not saying they are not valuable and im not saying we should blow through them. but im just saying.

[stevemcqueen1]

Read the article Lowe wrote on the Pistons. It seems that Drummond just doesn't try hard enough. We don't need a starting frontcourt that can't get motivated to play.

The silver lining there would be that even a purportedly 'poorly motivated' Drummond is the best rebounder in the NBA.

One take is that, paradoxically, Drummond's poor motivation is precisely why he is rebounding well. He has been too lazy to step out and pressure the guard on the pick-and-roll, preferring to drop back into the lane and hope for a miss and a rebound. The consequence is that the guard is more likely to drill a 3.

Stat hunting. That's what Kevin Love did in Minnesota.

He is a gifted rebounder though. And he can wear people out with his size and leaping ability. But I think the guy is immature and he is extremely limited. His shot is broken. His shooting touch is horrific. If he's not playing well on defense, then he'll kill you. That's the only way he can justify his contract.

Dead serious, I would rather have Nerlens Noel than Drummond at this point. I trust his defense more, he's a plus rebounder, and though his shooting touch is bad, it's not hopeless like Drummond. And the big thing: he wouldn't cost as much to get.

But the young defensive specialist I'd really like to get is Willie Cauley Stein. He's got a much stronger body than Nerlens and he is just as fast and capable of guarding pick and rolls and switching onto perimeter players as Nerlens. He looks like a young Kenyon Martin and he's getting too few minutes in Sacramento this season.

[gambitx777]

I wonder if they would do nicholson and Mahinmi and a unprotected 2018 first for rose? Doubt it but I would love to have a rose combo guard rental to take into the playoffs off the bench. and get out of those contracts. He can't play worse than burke, an it gets us out of those contracts we don't really need. I might do the same deal for mello too to be honest if he would agree to come off the bench. The cap matches (almost and he would help us off the bench as a go to bench scorer and its one year less we have to pay it.

[Mojo Amok]

Read the article Lowe wrote on the Pistons. It seems that Drummond just doesn't try hard enough. We don't need a starting frontcourt that can't get motivated to play.

The silver lining there would be that even a purportedly 'poorly motivated' Drummond is the best rebounder in the NBA.

One take is that, paradoxically, Drummond's poor motivation is precisely why he is rebounding well. He has been too lazy to step out and pressure the guard on the pick-and-roll, preferring to drop back into the lane and hope for a miss and a rebound. The consequence is that the guard is more likely to drill a 3.

That certainly is possible. Even with a theoretical marginal dip in defensive rebounding with him showing more on pick and rolls, you'd have to figure he'd still be up there in rebounding, though point taken with the concerns about his focus there.

He is also top 5 in offensive rebounding and the Pistons are best in the league in fast break points allowed, so we can at least give him credit on the offensive glass without worrying too much.

He's the proverbial diamond in the rough and it would be a gamble, but of course he'd never be available if there weren't some issues.

[Error Afflalo]

Who says no?

Phoenix receives:

Andrew Nicholson
Trey Burke
2018 1st Round Pick

Washington receives:

Brandon Knight


Other names I like: Tyler Johnson (not sure Heat would move him though), Tim Frazier, Darren Collison

No interest in Knight, but I'd have a ton of interest in Bledsoe. He may be a bit too rich for our blood, though.

Someone mentioned Bledsoe not wanting to back up Wall again a few pages back. Bledsoe actually started at the 2 at Kentucky and they were very good together. I could see some Wall/Bledsoe/Beal/Otto + Morris/Gortat lineups to close out games. Versatile and deadly in transition.

With all that said, we don't need Bledsoe. He'd be a luxury. We just need a competent backup PG.

[AWIZZINGBULLET]

Don't like the thought of messing with the chemistry of the starting five. Offense would take a dip if Drummond were brought in as Gortat's replacement and free throw shooting would go straight to hell.

Gortat deserves to finish this season as a Wizard.

[miller31time]

If you can get Drummond without mortgaging your future, you do it.

Swapping Drummond for Gortat, Oubre and a first is a no-brainer in my mind.

You just can't pass up adding a young, all-star caliber big man if the price is right.

The first thing good teams do is build their core, then worry about finding the extra pieces later. A core of Wall, Beal, Otto and Drummond is absolutely insane from a talent/age perspective and we would be a nightmare for the next decade.

[NatP4]

If you can get Drummond without mortgaging your future, you do it.

Swapping Drummond for Gortat, Oubre and a first is a no-brainer in my mind.

You just can't pass up adding a young, all-star caliber big man if the price is right.

The first thing good teams do is build their core, then worry about finding the extra pieces later. A core of Wall, Beal, Otto and Drummond is absolutely insane from a talent/age perspective and we would be a nightmare for the next decade.

The no brainer to me would be, adding Kelly Oubre Marcin Gortat and a 1st round pick to wall Beal Porter.

If you can flip Gortat and 2 picks for Drummond, do it. Oubre is the starting small forward of the future

[JWizmentality]

If Ernie touches the starting 5. I'll be triggered. Don't move Gortat. And that's coming from one of Gortats biggest critics on this board.

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[Dark Faze]

I would not be shocked if we have **** in the works but it won't pop off till friday, after the pacers game. We can't let a team 4.5 games back from us get a win on us in a tight east. Sure were are not trading our core 6 guys, and sato is safe, and if smith goes any where ill be shocked. I can see mahinmi, burke, and cniholson gone. Give mahinmi one more game to look good and keep the team chemistry up, crush the pacers and move on. I think EG pulls something off I hope.

ernie always makes moves in the last few hours of deadline day

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Hey, what about picking up this guy?


http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/01/d-league-guard-jordan-crawford-lebron-james-playmaker-rant-cavaliers-nba

[JWizmentality]

Hey, what about picking up this guy?


http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/01/d-league-guard-jordan-crawford-lebron-james-playmaker-rant-cavaliers-nba

GOD PLEASE NO. IT'S MARCUS THORTON WITH ATTENTION DEFECIT DISORDER.

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[SUPERBALLMAN]

Hey, what about picking up this guy?


http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/01/d-league-guard-jordan-crawford-lebron-james-playmaker-rant-cavaliers-nba

GOD PLEASE NO. IT'S MARCUS THORTON WITH ATTENTION DEFECIT DISORDER.

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Looking at his Wikipedia he's had a pretty interesting career, including scoring a career high 41 in a game for the Warriors, a brief stint in as Boston's starting PG earning NBA Player Of The Week honors averaging 23 pts & 6 assists, and a game in China he put up 72 pts & 16 boards. He's still only 28, playing good ball in the D, and probably has a more mature attitude after the past few years age and experience.

I put that up as a joke, but on 2nd thought why not bring him in and see what he can do? Our bench right now is bordering on pathetic, he might actually help.


http://www.bulletsforever.com/2012/12/10/3751518/jordan-crawford-washington-wizards-redskins-steez

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wizards-insider/post/jordan-crawford-is-dreaming-big-really-big/2011/10/27/gIQAqCOXNM_blog.html?utm_term=.eece47abc280

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2012/11/02/jordan-crawford-describes-his-steez/?utm_term=.ea74fb904d2a

[NatP4]

Hey, what about picking up this guy?


http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/01/d-league-guard-jordan-crawford-lebron-james-playmaker-rant-cavaliers-nba

GOD PLEASE NO. IT'S MARCUS THORTON WITH ATTENTION DEFECIT DISORDER.

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Looking at his Wikipedia he's had a pretty interesting career, including scoring a career high 41 in a game for the Warriors, a brief stint in as Boston's starting PG earning NBA Player Of The Week honors averaging 23 pts & 6 assists, and a game in China he put up 72 pts & 16 boards. He's still only 28, playing good ball in the D, and probably has a more mature attitude after the past few years age and experience.

I put that up as a joke, but on 2nd thought why not bring him in and see what he can do? Our bench right now is bordering on pathetic, he might actually help.

please no, least favorite player in the NBA. you suggested brandon jennings now this? haha. downgrades everywhere