Official Trade Thread Part XLVI

[gambitx777]

Which is why it’s hard to trade him. There are zero basketball reasons to trade for him.

That's just untrue.

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I’m exaggerating a little bit. But clearly we aren’t getting what we thought we could for him. So we jettisoned Deni instead.

We traded deni because someone made a stupid good offer for a guy averaging 14 and 7 on 50 and 31 % on low volume. He improved he played well and someone tossed for picks and a tradable vet at us and we took it. This had nothing to do with not moving kuzma.

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[AFM]

That's just untrue.

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I’m exaggerating a little bit. But clearly we aren’t getting what we thought we could for him. So we jettisoned Deni instead.

We traded deni because someone made a stupid good offer for a guy averaging 14 and 7 on 50 and 31 % on low volume. He improved he played well and someone tossed for picks and a tradable vet at us and we took it. This had nothing to do with not moving kuzma.

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My point is if they could have moved Kuzma for the same package they would have. But I don’t think he has that value, I mean clearly so.
I’m not upset about trading Deni. I’m having deja vu from the night Rui was traded and this board had an insane meltdown.

[closg00]

I can live with the Deni trade had we won the trade, I HATE the continuation of the Wizards helping other teams while being on the losing end of trades, we helped Portland IMMENSELY while being on the losing end of the trade.

[Skybox]

I like that you guys are embracing the tank and grabbing every high-upside bet that isn't nailed down. It only hurts for a brief time if you buy in and go for it. UTA is lucky to have Lauri, but he wasn't THIS Lauri when they traded for him. UTA rebuild is looking eerily like OKC, who piled up picks and lucked into a young cornerstone star in a trade (SGA). They don't seem to have much rhyme or reason other than just accumulating young talent, regardless of fit...I like it for them and WAS.

I don't imagine WAS even fits Brogdon for a jersey...you should flip him today for something for the future. ORL could really use him. Moving Deni hurt but why overpay/extend guys when winning is not in sight and even detrimental. Unless you can get Kispert to extend to a really team-friendly deal, you might as well ship him out too. IMO, Brogdon's value is limited - but you add Kispert to a package and you can expect much more...and, get some cap relief (if it's ORL)

ORL sends: Cole Anthony, Caleb Houstan, ORL 26 frp (top 8), DEN 25 frp ($15m salary going to WAS)
WAS sends: Brogdon, Kispert ($28m going out + Kispert extension pending)

[Rafael122]

I like that you guys are embracing the tank and grabbing every high-upside bet that isn't nailed down. It only hurts for a brief time if you buy in and go for it. UTA is lucky to have Lauri, but he wasn't THIS Lauri when they traded for him. UTA rebuild is looking eerily like OKC, who piled up picks and lucked into a young cornerstone star in a trade (SGA). They don't seem to have much rhyme or reason other than just accumulating young talent, regardless of fit...I like it for them and WAS.

I don't imagine WAS even fits Brogdon for a jersey...you should flip him today for something for the future. ORL could really use him. Moving Deni hurt but why overpay/extend guys when winning is not in sight and even detrimental. Unless you can get Kispert to extend to a really team-friendly deal, you might as well ship him out too. IMO, Brogdon's value is limited - but you add Kispert to a package and you can expect much more...and, get some cap relief (if it's ORL)

ORL sends: Cole Anthony, Caleb Houstan, ORL 26 frp (top 8), DEN 25 frp ($15m salary going to WAS)
WAS sends: Brogdon, Kispert ($28m going out + Kispert extension pending)

I would do this in a heartbeat but am curious why you're rating Cole Anthony so low? Being shipped off for a vet and two first round picks?

[Skybox]

I like that you guys are embracing the tank and grabbing every high-upside bet that isn't nailed down. It only hurts for a brief time if you buy in and go for it. UTA is lucky to have Lauri, but he wasn't THIS Lauri when they traded for him. UTA rebuild is looking eerily like OKC, who piled up picks and lucked into a young cornerstone star in a trade (SGA). They don't seem to have much rhyme or reason other than just accumulating young talent, regardless of fit...I like it for them and WAS.

I don't imagine WAS even fits Brogdon for a jersey...you should flip him today for something for the future. ORL could really use him. Moving Deni hurt but why overpay/extend guys when winning is not in sight and even detrimental. Unless you can get Kispert to extend to a really team-friendly deal, you might as well ship him out too. IMO, Brogdon's value is limited - but you add Kispert to a package and you can expect much more...and, get some cap relief (if it's ORL)

ORL sends: Cole Anthony, Caleb Houstan, ORL 26 frp (top 8), DEN 25 frp ($15m salary going to WAS)
WAS sends: Brogdon, Kispert ($28m going out + Kispert extension pending)

I would do this in a heartbeat but am curious why you're rating Cole Anthony so low? Being shipped off for a vet and two first round picks?

I really like Cole and think he could really produce (somewhere), even if not as efficiently as we'd all like. ORL will, hopefully, be bringing in more of a high-profile vet PG/Lead Guard starter via trade or FA (Brogdon,in this case) and they have Anthony Black and Jett Howard sitting on the sidelines - ready to get their shots. I think, ultimately, Cole is the odd man out and he's too good to be any deeper in the rotation or out of it. His $13m is a fair deal if he's given minutes, but way too much for a deep rotation guy. ORL is happily moving into the phase where they owe big rookie extensions, so they're going to be top-heavy in salaries - as playoff teams tend to be...so, those "secondary" salaries need to be reconsidered.

In my (semi ) ideal follow up to this, ORL signs Tyus to a FA deal and returns him to his rightful place as "Best backup PG in the NBA", rather than "somewhat irrelevant while shockingly efficient little starting PG"

[Frichuela]

I like that you guys are embracing the tank and grabbing every high-upside bet that isn't nailed down. It only hurts for a brief time if you buy in and go for it. UTA is lucky to have Lauri, but he wasn't THIS Lauri when they traded for him. UTA rebuild is looking eerily like OKC, who piled up picks and lucked into a young cornerstone star in a trade (SGA). They don't seem to have much rhyme or reason other than just accumulating young talent, regardless of fit...I like it for them and WAS.

I don't imagine WAS even fits Brogdon for a jersey...you should flip him today for something for the future. ORL could really use him. Moving Deni hurt but why overpay/extend guys when winning is not in sight and even detrimental. Unless you can get Kispert to extend to a really team-friendly deal, you might as well ship him out too. IMO, Brogdon's value is limited - but you add Kispert to a package and you can expect much more...and, get some cap relief (if it's ORL)

ORL sends: Cole Anthony, Caleb Houstan, ORL 26 frp (top 8), DEN 25 frp ($15m salary going to WAS)
WAS sends: Brogdon, Kispert ($28m going out + Kispert extension pending)

Agreed. This trade would make sense for both parties.

For ORL you get a vet PG with a lot of playoff experience and a much needed sharpshooter from 3. For WAS, we get (most probably) 2 non lottery firsts in 25 and 26, but with luck one of them may be in the late teens.

[DCZards]

I can live with the Deni trade had we won the trade, I HATE the continuation of the Wizards helping other teams while being on the losing end of trades, we helped Portland IMMENSELY while being on the losing end of the trade.

I have no problem whatsoever with Portland benefiting from the trade. They would not have made the trade if they were not going to benefit.

The only issue for me is whether or not the Zards will benefit…and that remains to be seen.

But I do love the drafting of Carrington.

[nate33]

I think it is a sure thing that they will trade Kispert.

[closg00]

I think it is a sure thing that they will trade Kispert.

Yup, George is taking his job, I see what the FO is doing.
Oh! What about Davis, he’s a gonner too, or can help immensely with our tank this season.

[Rafael122]

Davis is going to be a thrown in in a trade to make salaries match.

[badinage]

That's just untrue.

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I’m exaggerating a little bit. But clearly we aren’t getting what we thought we could for him. So we jettisoned Deni instead.

We traded deni because someone made a stupid good offer for a guy averaging 14 and 7 on 50 and 31 % on low volume. He improved he played well and someone tossed for picks and a tradable vet at us and we took it. This had nothing to do with not moving kuzma.

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Dude. No cap. He shot 37% from 3 last year.

[TGW]

I’m exaggerating a little bit. But clearly we aren’t getting what we thought we could for him. So we jettisoned Deni instead.

We traded deni because someone made a stupid good offer for a guy averaging 14 and 7 on 50 and 31 % on low volume. He improved he played well and someone tossed for picks and a tradable vet at us and we took it. This had nothing to do with not moving kuzma.

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My point is if they could have moved Kuzma for the same package they would have. But I don’t think he has that value, I mean clearly so.
I’m not upset about trading Deni. I’m having deja vu from the night Rui was traded and this board had an insane meltdown.

Nope, that's only a small handful of people. Rui stunk. He couldn't rebound nor defend. Outside of a few decent scoring outputs, he was awful. Deni OTOH was balling in every phase. He was scoring, passing, defending, rebounding at a high level.

Deni is good. He's going to be good for Portland. Carrington can't hold Deni's jock right now. He was the 14th pick in a bad draft, which tells you how many holes in his game he has. They better hope he pans out because they traded an ASCENDING player who's 23, cheap, and was contributing in all phases of the game.

[payitforward]

Not sure what you mean -- are you saying that Atlanta would have given us Griffin for the #26 pick in this draft? What makes you think so?

Griffin plus "more... to boot" for the #26 pick? Can you point to a source for this? Just asking....

<--- look up

but it is what it is, hopefully George works out

Right you are! Wow....! On top of which, forget 26 -- trade that to Portland for 34 & 40. Pick at 34 & trade 40 for Griffin.

Now... it's a busy night, & you can't be in every conversation. All the same....

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

We traded deni because someone made a stupid good offer for a guy averaging 14 and 7 on 50 and 31 % on low volume. He improved he played well and someone tossed for picks and a tradable vet at us and we took it. This had nothing to do with not moving kuzma.

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My point is if they could have moved Kuzma for the same package they would have. But I don’t think he has that value, I mean clearly so.
I’m not upset about trading Deni. I’m having deja vu from the night Rui was traded and this board had an insane meltdown.

Nope, that's only a small handful of people. Rui stunk. He couldn't rebound nor defend. Outside of a few decent scoring outputs, he was awful. Deni OTOH was balling in every phase. He was scoring, passing, defending, rebounding at a high level.

Deni is good. He's going to be good for Portland. Carrington can't hold Deni's jock right now. He was the 14th pick in a bad draft, which tells you how many holes in his game he has. They better hope he pans out because they traded an ASCENDING player who's 23, cheap, and was contributing in all phases of the game.

Thank you TGW for quickly putting these silly arguments to bed.

Are we really going to sit here now and act like Rui and Deni trade were comparable? Rui is a one trick pony who missed a ton of games. I'm not going to go into how much more of a complete player Deni is.

A "stupid, good offer"? Please don't make me laugh. The bar is so low with the fans of this pathetic franchise they don't know up from down.

The revisionist history from a contingent on this board is both hilarious and migraine-inducing.

[NatP4]

There was absolutely not an “insane meltdown” on this board whenever Rui was traded. Such nonsense

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There was absolutely not an “insane meltdown” on this board whenever Rui was traded. Such nonsense

Well there was one last night. There’s a thread full of actual love letters and heart emojis. It’s embarrassing.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

There was absolutely not an “insane meltdown” on this board whenever Rui was traded. Such nonsense

Well there was one last night. There’s a thread full of actual love letters and heart emojis. It’s embarrassing.

Oh stop it has 13 posts in it even if it was a touch hyperbolic. What you are calling a meltdown is folks arguing a valid point that we have another moron at the helm of the franchise. Nothing has changed. You can throw around "home run" pick talk all you want but they are that only in theory and it will take a ton of luck.

Dawkins, just like his recent nepo hire Weaver, are living of the coattails of Presti's reputation for being a savant. Winger, another unimpressive hire, once you consider that really his best accomplishment is having an owner in LAC that is a bottomless pit of money. He got a corky, often injured super-star with degenerative knees to come to them because he wanted to play in his home town and traded away SGA for Paul George. A core that has nothing in the way of even a finals appearance to show for that.

[badinage]

There was absolutely not an “insane meltdown” on this board whenever Rui was traded. Such nonsense

Well there was one last night. There’s a thread full of actual love letters and heart emojis. It’s embarrassing.

Yeah, no. Not even a little embarrassing.

The fact that some of us feel this way — with this depth of passion — says more, I think, about the state of this franchise over 40 years.

There haven’t been many players to get behind. To LIKE. I count three, in the past 20 years. Gil, John, Deni.

This kid worked his ass off, grew, developed, is still developing — and wanted to be here, as the face of the franchise. And was heartbroken when he learned that he’d been thrown over the side of the boat.

THAT’S the kind of player I want on my team, wearing my jersey.

Do I want to have a great team? I do. Who doesn’t? But I want guys like this, too.

And if there isn’t going to be a deep, sustained run of 60+ win seasons and multiple chips — which is my definition of the “generational team” Winger says they’re gunning for — then my fandom depends on being able to get behind a guy, or guys, like this.

[AFM]

There was absolutely not an “insane meltdown” on this board whenever Rui was traded. Such nonsense

Well there was one last night. There’s a thread full of actual love letters and heart emojis. It’s embarrassing.

Yeah, no. Not even a little embarrassing.

The fact that some of us feel this way — with this depth of passion — says more, I think, about the state of this franchise over 40 years.

There haven’t been many players to get behind. To LIKE. I count three, in the past 20 years. Gil, John, Deni.

This kid worked his ass off, grew, developed, is still developing — and wanted to be here, as the face of the franchise. And was heartbroken when he learned that he’d been thrown over the side of the boat.

THAT’S the kind of player I want on my team, wearing my jersey.

Do I want to have a great team? I do. Who doesn’t? But I want guys like this, too.

And if there isn’t going to be a deep, sustained run of 60+ win seasons and multiple chips — which is my definition of the “generational team” Winger says they’re gunning for — then my fandom depends on being able to get behind a guy, or guys, like this.

I get that you’re upset, and don’t get me wrong I love your passion, I remember your posts when Beal took his ass to PHX. But just reread your post. Deni is NOT in the same convo as John and Gil. Not even close. So don’t act surprised when posters, not just me, don’t share your sentiments at all. I like the trade, you don’t. And until one of us invents a Time Machine, we won’t know how it turns out until we see how Carrington turns out. Agreed?


By the way—you don’t seem to be leaving the possibility open to liking Carrington as much, or even more, as you do Deni. Maybe he’ll be all those things you posted above? Try to keep an open mind.