Official Trade Thread XVIII: 1/20/12 - 5/14/12

[Jimmy Recard]

When Bogut is healthy he is EASILY a top 5 Center. Probably top 3. Again, the disclaimer is 'when he's healthy', and he hasn't been for a while.

Outside of Dwight, no big man in the league has the same impact as a defensive anchor though. Just great overall defensive instincts, great footwork, shot blocking, and he draws charges better than any other big man in the league. Scoring wise, he has sucked since the Amar'e injury, but he was good for 16 and 10 before that.

he reminds me of Gilbert before his injury....teetering on superstardom and then was never the same player again. He wouldnt be on the block if the bucks thought he could return to pre injury ways

Bogut was straight up ballin before that injury. Remember, Bogut was the guy (not Howard) that Flip last year said he wanted Javale to watch tapes of on how he anchors a defense. If he's even 80/90% of the player he was, i'd love to have Bogut in DC. Remember he's still just 27 years old. As much as we talk about Mcgee's 'potential', he's only 3 years younger than Bog's.

[dangermouse]

I think im talking myself into this. How about this deal:

McGee + Turiaf + Blatche + Crawford + 2nd

for

Bogut + Udrih

It would be nice to have a veteran to back up Wall again.

[Jimmy Recard]

I think im talking myself into this. How about this deal:

McGee + Turiaf + Blatche + Crawford + 2nd

for

Bogut + Udrih

It would be nice to have a veteran to back up Wall again.

Hell yeah, no way Milwaukee do this though lol.

[Illuminaire]

While I hear Dat's concerns, I think I agree with Nate. If we can swing Bogut for just McGee + salary filler (or even offload Blatche or Lewis)... that's a net win. It's not a perfect move or one without risk, but we'd have a better team.

I just don't think we're going to ever see Javale "get it", and I don't want to sign him for a four year, 45 million dollar deal this off season. Xd

[dangermouse]

Its tough to come up with the right deal for both sides. Someone has to get hosed, I dont want it to be us.

[thinker07]

I don't care for a McGee for Bogut trade at all. If we can get something useful for McGee from say GSW, I;m in favor -- even if we only get 50 cents on the dollar. With Bogut and his injuries - why waste the money? I'd rather let McGee walk for nothing or a few tidbits in a S&T and then use that money for someone really helpful. I'd rather overpay for someone like Anderson, Batum, Illyasova, OJ Mayo.

[Jimmy Recard]

Its tough to come up with the right deal for both sides. Someone has to get hosed, I dont want it to be us.

I think Milwaukee would want our lottery pick, there's no way i'm giving up at shot at Anthony Davis though.

[fishercob]

Source just told me #wizards have informed teams they can have any player except John Wall if they are willing to take Andray Blatche

I'd be really pi$$ed if they give up Booker just to dump Blatche. That would be shortsighted as hell. We have a ton of cap room this summer anyhow. Why give up actual talent just to create cap room that we're not going to use? I'd rather keep Blatche, lock him in the training room, and don't let him near the team unless he gets in shape. It's better than giving Booker up.

If nothing else, Blatche's trade value is at an all time low. At least wait until his annual April Fools Dray run before dealing him.

I don't buy it. Mike Lee may be telling the truth, but his source is either embellishing or wrong.

If ownership wants Blatche gone, they can amnesty him. Maximum, they'll be on the hook for $20M over three years -- more likely much closer to $15M. So would you rather keep Booker for spend $15M over 3 years to keep Booker or not? Of course you would.

There's just no reason not to amnesty Dray if we can't fine a taker. There's very little benefit of using it on Lewis instead because he's only got the one more year at $13.7M.

[dangermouse]

Bogut + SJAX + Udrih + Ilyasova

McGee + Lewis + Seraphin + Crawford

[Illuminaire]

Jackson is a dealbreaker to me, unless he's willing to take a buyout.

[dangermouse]

Side note: Venturing over to Bucks board to get their take on this...

They have a "Beer drinkers thread" haha cool. I guess they do have all the breweries and stuff... but I thought it was a bit of a stereotype, like potatos and Idaho or something. I might start a beer/wine thread here some day.

[rl25g]

Udrih, Jackson, Brockman, Bogut

for

Crawford, McGee, Turiaf, Lewis, 2nd

[dangermouse]

Man, theres about 5 pages of them just talking about our 1st rounder and where it might fall.

They must be hammered if they think they'd get that first.

Also, I totally loathe and despise Stephen Jackson. I want to see him in a Wizards jersey about as much as I want to keep seeing Blatche in one. Unfortunately, I think the only way we could get a fair deal without giving up too much involves taking him on...

[Jimmy Recard]

Man, theres about 5 pages of them just talking about our 1st rounder and where it might fall.

They must be hammered if they think they'd get that first.

Also, I totally loathe and despise Stephen Jackson. I want to see him in a Wizards jersey about as much as I want to keep seeing Blatche in one. Unfortunately, I think the only way we could get a fair deal without giving up too much involves taking him on...

If it's one or the other, i'd take on Jack's contract over dealing our lottery pick. As i said, no way you give up a shot at getting Davis.

[truwizfan4evr]

[quote="rl25g"]Udrih, Jackson, Brockman, Bogut

for

Crawford, McGee, Turiaf, Lewis, 2nd[/quoteAs As bad as wizards are I would not trade a Knuckle for a head case. I would just take my chances with Javale Then Jackson unless we waive him.

[Illuminaire]

Yeah, I'd play hard ball. They can have an athletic young center with no injury concerns and be happy about it, or they can shop somewhere else.

[fishercob]

So, I'm just not a Bogut fan. It goes back to his senior year of college when I got second row seats at a Wiz playoff game. Bogut sat in front of me. He was already the presumed #1 pick. Dude was a real dick. I told him we'd love to have him in Washington (knowing we'd draft in the teens) and he responded that he wouldn't want to come here.

Because I'm me, I can definitely get drunk on what Bogut might be. He was a dominating defender, pretty skilled, played smart, etc. But again, if Milwaukee had faith that he was going to go back to what he was -- an all-star, a top 5 center -- why on earth would they trade him?? Someone answer that, directly.

Bogut said in an interview a couple years ago that he may never fully recover from his elbow injury. His shooting has suffered badly since. In that same fall he broke his hand and sprained his wrist in the. He missed 43 games with lower back issues in 08-09. He's now out with a fractured ankle. Can someone give me an example of someone who has had three separate major injuries and then recovered to the point of sustained health? Bogut may be unlucky, but he's injury prone. I don't think guys recover from that.

WHen I saw Bogut last season I remember thinking he looked heavy-footed. He lumbered around the court. He was never an explosive athlete to begin with; after his third major injury I fear he's going to lose whatever he had that made him a great defender.

I'd love a healthy Bogut, but I don't think that's possible or likely.

Pass.

[truwizfan4evr]

Yeah, I'd play hard ball. They can have an athletic young center with no injury concerns and be happy about it, or they can shop somewhere else.

That may be true. But Javale has mental flaws he's not always motivated and he make bad choices. Think I would ratha have Bogut as my starting center in the playoff in the future then Mcgee his knuckle head plays can screw us over in big games. I wish there was away to keep Mcgee and trade Andray instead and bring Mcgee off the bench. But I'll keep on dreaming.

[gesa2]

Bogut's leg injury this year has nothing to do with his elbow, I'd be willing to gamble on his health. His DRtg was 97 last year even with the bad wing. Just having a good positional defender at C that gets to the right spot most of the time would be huge for us.

I'd do any trade that didn't involve Wall, Booker or a draft pick. What are we really risking? Who knows if any of those players will be on our next playoff team anyways. If Bogut returns at close to his old self, we've got a core three with Wall and this year's pick.

I'd even take on Jackson, but only if we got rid of Blatche in return. Jackson's only signed for one year, we could buy him out or sit him with the same "hamstring injury" that he's had this year.

[fishercob]

Gesa, you make a compelling argument. But there's the issue of opportunity cost. Cap space is the currency of the NBA -- even moreso in this new CBA. I don't want to miss out on an opportunity to add a real impact player because Bogut is in street clothes costing us $12M.