2012 NBA Draft - Part V

[LyricalRico]

Can we shut down this thread now that it's obvious Beal will be the choice?

The fact that this happened on the heels of Beal's visit is interesting, but I don't think the mere presence of Ariza rules out MKG. Who's to say Ariza has to start? He can backup MKG and we can move Singleton+Booker for help in the backcourt.

But I do agree that the signs are pointing to Beal at this point.

[Upper Decker]

This thread has been one of the most enjoyable threads in some time. Lot's of insight and thoughtful back and forth about MKG vs. Beal vs. TRob. Too bad it needs to basically be shut down because this crummy trade...way to go and ruin our fun, EG, you big ruiner!

[verbal8]

I think I saw a Wiretap that agents were more concerned with fit than draft position. Obviously guys and agents don't want to slip a ton, but players may see Portland or Golden State as better fits than Sacramento. Sliding to 10th(not that Beal would) might have a silver lining of playing on a team that should be young and a lot better next year.

Sactown beat writer

According to an NBA source, Harrison Barnes had a workout scheduled in Sacramento on Friday, but has cancelled. Top 4 promise?

It might just be that neither Beal nor Barnes want to play in Sacramento so they refused to workout there.

[Dat2U]

Can we shut down this thread now that it's obvious Beal will be the choice?

The fact that this happened on the heels of Beal's visit is interesting, but I don't think the mere presence of Ariza rules out MKG. Who's to say Ariza has to start? He can backup MKG and we can move Singleton+Booker for help in the backcourt.

But I do agree that the signs are pointing to Beal at this point.

This is what makes me even more disguted about the trade. Were making roster decisions based on the acquisition of a scrub in Ariza. A flatout scrub.

Ariza's presence shouldn't even be in consideration in regards to a top 3 pick. But for this sorry sack of a franchise, his presence seems to change everything.

[WizarDynasty]

this is a horrible day for the wizards especially if the plan is not get drummond or Barnes. Beal has a horrible low arching show. He is not a good shooter. When I see a workout of him hitting a ton of shots over long defenders with that low arching shot, that's when i will be fan. Adding another bigman to guarantee that we don't take Drummond, the only player with superstar potential factor with Nene is a huge disappointment. I have to blame Leonsis for retaining EG.

[jimij]

I think my biggest issue with the trade is that once again Ernie feels the need to pull the trigger on a trade involving draft picks well before draft night. I sincerely doubt that NO was going to find someone else to take Ariza and Okafor's deals so I've got to believe we could have waited a week and then made the deal.

If Beal is our target why shout it from the rooftops with a deal like this. Make the #3 pick and then do this deal once we're sure no one trades up for Beal or that Charlotte doesn't take him.

For whatever reason Ernie just has to make a trade early. The man has never won a game of chicken in his life.

[miller31time]

For whatever reason Ernie just has to make a trade early. The man has never won a game of chicken in his life.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall when Ernie is on the phone with the Hornets. How he makes this deal without the ultimatum of acquiring the 10th pick is mind-boggling.

[jimij]

For whatever reason Ernie just has to make a trade early. The man has never won a game of chicken in his life.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall when Ernie is on the phone with the Hornets. How he makes this deal without the ultimatum of acquiring the 10th pick is mind-boggling.

I can see NO not giving up the 10th pick but I fail to believe that they had another option for those two players that wouldn't have left them available to do the deal next week. Why did Ernie have to make the trade now rather than let the sweat it out a little?!?

[Upper Decker]

Is Beal now the front runner for ROY? Somehow with this trade the Wiz actually got worse offensively so there'll be a lot of shots for Beal. He'll get his stats even if it may not be efficiently.

On a side note, I hope Whitman tells Ariza that if he shoots more than 5 times a game he'll be benched for a week.

[hands11]

I still think too many people downplay the relative importance of defensive big men, and the relative unimportance of defensive wings. It's easy to say that we can find a stretch 4 to balance out MKG's weaknesses, but the reality is that most stretch 4's play lousy defense. And having a bad defensive PF kills your team defense, even if you have an exceptional defensive SF.

For argument's sake, let's assume that Vesely becomes Noah, MKG becomes Gerald Wallace, and Beal becomes Eric Gordon. I'd rather have Gordon + Noah than Wallace + Illyasova. (Not to mention that in the Gordon/Noah scenario, we'd have more cap room to acquire a SF.)

Exactly.

For this team, they need someone who can shoot from outside. They already have enough scappy players who do other things. Booker and Ves are two of them.

Hey, MKG is interesting. He plays with the effort and motor of a Faried bbut from SF. But for this team, Beal is the deal. Specially if you can add Crowder as well who is like a MGK light who can actually shoot from outside. 6'6"; 241 lbs. Crowder is an energy guy as well.

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Beal is what we need at guard and Crowder would compliment C Singleton and Jame Singleton very well. Kid has a great motor and he can hit from range. So we add range and D to our two weakest position SG and SF. The Cherry on the top is adding Kirk as the back up PG.

Wall/Kirk/Mack
Beal/Crawford/Mason
C Singleton/J Singleton/Crowder
Nene/Booker/Dray
Ves/Kevin

Then from there I have my trade away next years first on the table which we could because that team above is going to the playoff baby. I would trade with any team with in the top 16.

We could get Zeller or maybe Terrance Jones. Or Arnett Moultrie. Or maybe wing for the fences on a Perry Jones. Perry is a 2-3 year project. By then James will be done and if he works out Perry, C Singleton and Crowder would be beasting at SF for years.

There are two long ball swing for the fence prospects this year. Drummnds and Perry. As long as I had my other bases covered.. SG, SF, PG, I would love to swing for the fences on a Perry Jones.

Wall/Kirk/Mack
Beal/Crawford/Mason
C Singleton/J Singleton/Crowder
Nene/Booker/Perry Jones
Ves/Kevin/Dray

I would be way happy if they ended up like this.

[hands11]

I still think too many people downplay the relative importance of defensive big men, and the relative unimportance of defensive wings. It's easy to say that we can find a stretch 4 to balance out MKG's weaknesses, but the reality is that most stretch 4's play lousy defense. And having a bad defensive PF kills your team defense, even if you have an exceptional defensive SF.

For argument's sake, let's assume that Vesely becomes Noah, MKG becomes Gerald Wallace, and Beal becomes Eric Gordon. I'd rather have Gordon + Noah than Wallace + Illyasova. (Not to mention that in the Gordon/Noah scenario, we'd have more cap room to acquire a SF.)

I can buy your original point but your example is one helluva stretch bro. I mean you had to walk a country mile to get there.

If Vesely somehow magically becomes as good as Noah (incredibly unlikely) then you might have a point, but there's nothing to indicate that will ever happen. And isn't it Gordon + Noah + FA vs. Wallace + Noah + Ilyasova? You take Vesely out of the MKG equation, but if he's the next Noah then certainly were keeping him right?

I thought it was a stretch at first, but after looking comparing their rookie numbers it doesn’t seem like a country mile stretch. Especially when you consider the fact that Vesely was acclimating to a new culture, didn’t have a real training camp, and started the year injured. Noah didn’t have any of those obstacles during his rookie season.

Here is a per-36 comparison between Noah’s rookie year and Vesely’s last 15 games

Noah rookie season
Pts 11.5, Rbs 9.9, asts 1.9, Bks 1.6, FG% 48%, FT% 69%

Noah last 15 games rookie season
Pts 13, Rbs 8.8, asts 1.7, Bks 2.4, FG% 51%, FT% 79%

Vesely last 15 games
Pts 11, Rbs 9, asts 1.7, Bks 0.9, FG% 55%, FT% 64%

The only place where Noahs clearly better is blocks. I also won’t be surprised if Vesely improves dramatically next year, similarly to Seraphin’s improvement during his second season.

Lol. Facts area terrible things to waste.

Ves is going to be more then fine. I expect to see some improved rebounding, a sense of a mid range shot, and some more blocks. Ves and clearly be a Noah type. Actually better since he has better passing.

[Dat2U]

It's going to be tough for Ves to magically turn into the next Joakim Noah when he might be glued to the bench the next two years.

[mhd]

It's going to be tough for Ves to magically turn into the next Joakim Noah when he might be glued to the bench the next two years.

I see Booker being traded for sure.

[closg00]

It's going to be tough for Ves to magically turn into the next Joakim Noah when he might be glued to the bench the next two years.

I see Booker being traded for sure.

This I agree with, Booker will be traded for a future, heavily protected pick, something horrible like that.

[hands11]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1229 ... -gilchrist

MKG could really drop now.

[Dat2U]

It's going to be tough for Ves to magically turn into the next Joakim Noah when he might be glued to the bench the next two years.

I see Booker being traded for sure.

This I agree with, Booker will be traded for a future, heavily protected pick, something horrible like that.

That still makes Ves the 4th big. Most teams go with a 3 big rotation with the 4th big seeing jsut spot minutes.

I'm sure that will be great for his development.

[Dat2U]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1229807-nba-draft-2012-how-hornets-wizards-trade-affects-michael-kidd-gilchrist

MKG could really drop now.

Yeah, I think he'll drop to 4th now.

[Rafael122]

Only guy who might drop is Barnes unless he's taken at 2. Barnes canceled his workout with the Kings...I'd reconsider if I were him.

[7-Day Dray]

We NEED to draft Drummond now. He's the only hope we have of getting a superstar. GO BIG OR GO HOME!

[dangermouse]

We need to take a guy who can become an all-star level player with this draft. We arent going to get another chance through the draft again in the John Wall era...

EG better not screw up again. We NEED an all-star guy.

If TRob is on the board and we pass because he won't fit........ And he turns out to be the next Kevin Love....



Or if we pass on MKG and he turns out to be the next Iguodala/Pippen...



If the Cats take Beal just to F*** with us because they now know we want him because of that dumb EG trade...



AND MOST OF ALL IF WE TAKE FREAKIN' BARNES...