Political Roundtable Part XVI

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WILL ROY MOORE WIN BECAUSE OF GLORIA ALLRED? CONSERVATIVES SAY LAWYER HANDED VICTORY TO ALABAMA SENATE CANDIDATE

http://www.newsweek.com/will-roy-moore-win-because-gloria-allred-conservatives-say-lawyer-handed-742866

As-soon I saw the Allred's face in Alabama I let out a huge groan, it wasn't going to matter what the victim had to say about Moore. Allred made a big mistake by not putting the full information about the year-book entry out early. The totality of all of the to other evidence and witnesses will now be ignored. In any case, I never believed that Moore was going to lose.

I am one who is going against the popular belief that Moore will win!
#1 He was never that popular in Alabama to start with in that his last election against a Democrat he only won by 3%.
#2 I also acknowledge that he will get a significant amount of the "Born Again Vote" the question is what % of the that vote will turn out.
#3 His remarks about slavery and Doug Jones has appeal within the black community because his convictions of the KKK should invigorate a higher turnout and that community represents 26% of the population with Hispanics and other minorities another 3%.
#4 Jones has invested heavily in a ground game where Jones hasn't and Virginia is a perfect example of the importance of getting people to the polls.
#5 The ruling class in Alabama is PRO Jones solid Republican white suburbs in the major cities like Birmingham have signage 10 to 1 for Jones. They realize that Moore will inhibit growth in a already poor Alabama economy. They will vote with there wallets.
#6 For the 1st. time ex felons will be allowed to vote and those who do will vote Democratic.
#7 The popularity for Jones crosses party lines with a Super Pac run by Evan McMullin who is EX. CIA and ran a independent campaign in Utah has injected $500,000 into the Jones campaign.
#8 Polls are showing 40% of white women support Jones and will that 40% be more motivated to turn out than the other 60%?
The cities and suburbs of Birmingham, Huntsville, Mobile and Montgomery will decide the election.

The big question mark is how popular Trump still is in Alabama since February his national appeal has dropped about 12 to 15 points depending on the polls and that has been verified in special elections in states like Montana, SC, Georgia and Kansas which are a heavily "Red States".

The good news is that even if Moore wins it is a stain on the Republican Party.

I'm still predicting a Jones Victory of 4 to 5% and will eat crow if he doesn't just not Jim Crow.

if i lived in alabama i would vote for moore and the very next day begin to demand he be removed and alabama hold another special election.

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http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/doug-jones-is-just-a-normal-polling-error-away-from-a-win-in-alabama/

Southerners historically BS pollsters, Moore support is underrepresented and the outside "agitators" will drive-up support for Moore even further. "The South Will Rise Again"

[verbal8]

I wish I could be this optomistic. You are correct about Moore being a horrible candidate. However it is still Alabama, I just don't think there is the enough moderates to overcome the strong conservative lean of the state.

Virginia is encouraging for national prospects, but it is vastly different than Alabama. Virginia as a state is moving in a blue and urban direction.

WILL ROY MOORE WIN BECAUSE OF GLORIA ALLRED? CONSERVATIVES SAY LAWYER HANDED VICTORY TO ALABAMA SENATE CANDIDATE

http://www.newsweek.com/will-roy-moore-win-because-gloria-allred-conservatives-say-lawyer-handed-742866

As-soon I saw the Allred's face in Alabama I let out a huge groan, it wasn't going to matter what the victim had to say about Moore. Allred made a big mistake by not putting the full information about the year-book entry out early. The totality of all of the to other evidence and witnesses will now be ignored. In any case, I never believed that Moore was going to lose.

I am one who is going against the popular belief that Moore will win!
#1 He was never that popular in Alabama to start with in that his last election against a Democrat he only won by 3%.
#2 I also acknowledge that he will get a significant amount of the "Born Again Vote" the question is what % of the that vote will turn out.
#3 His remarks about slavery and Doug Jones has appeal within the black community because his convictions of the KKK should invigorate a higher turnout and that community represents 26% of the population with Hispanics and other minorities another 3%.
#4 Jones has invested heavily in a ground game where Jones hasn't and Virginia is a perfect example of the importance of getting people to the polls.
#5 The ruling class in Alabama is PRO Jones solid Republican white suburbs in the major cities like Birmingham have signage 10 to 1 for Jones. They realize that Moore will inhibit growth in a already poor Alabama economy. They will vote with there wallets.
#6 For the 1st. time ex felons will be allowed to vote and those who do will vote Democratic.
#7 The popularity for Jones crosses party lines with a Super Pac run by Evan McMullin who is EX. CIA and ran a independent campaign in Utah has injected $500,000 into the Jones campaign.
#8 Polls are showing 40% of white women support Jones and will that 40% be more motivated to turn out than the other 60%?
The cities and suburbs of Birmingham, Huntsville, Mobile and Montgomery will decide the election.

The big question mark is how popular Trump still is in Alabama since February his national appeal has dropped about 12 to 15 points depending on the polls and that has been verified in special elections in states like Montana, SC, Georgia and Kansas which are a heavily "Red States".

The good news is that even if Moore wins it is a stain on the Republican Party.

I'm still predicting a Jones Victory of 4 to 5% and will eat crow if he doesn't just not Jim Crow.

[verbal8]

Trump did a decent job reading his speech at the civil rights museum.

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oh james comey, so everything you did was just a publicity stunt to sell a book? Ya dont say. who's the mark, now?

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WILL ROY MOORE WIN BECAUSE OF GLORIA ALLRED? CONSERVATIVES SAY LAWYER HANDED VICTORY TO ALABAMA SENATE CANDIDATE

http://www.newsweek.com/will-roy-moore-win-because-gloria-allred-conservatives-say-lawyer-handed-742866

As-soon I saw the Allred's face in Alabama I let out a huge groan, it wasn't going to matter what the victim had to say about Moore. Allred made a big mistake by not putting the full information about the year-book entry out early. The totality of all of the to other evidence and witnesses will now be ignored. In any case, I never believed that Moore was going to lose.

I am one who is going against the popular belief that Moore will win!
#1 He was never that popular in Alabama to start with in that his last election against a Democrat he only won by 3%.
#2 I also acknowledge that he will get a significant amount of the "Born Again Vote" the question is what % of the that vote will turn out.
#3 His remarks about slavery and Doug Jones has appeal within the black community because his convictions of the KKK should invigorate a higher turnout and that community represents 26% of the population with Hispanics and other minorities another 3%.
#4 Jones has invested heavily in a ground game where Jones hasn't and Virginia is a perfect example of the importance of getting people to the polls.
#5 The ruling class in Alabama is PRO Jones solid Republican white suburbs in the major cities like Birmingham have signage 10 to 1 for Jones. They realize that Moore will inhibit growth in a already poor Alabama economy. They will vote with there wallets.
#6 For the 1st. time ex felons will be allowed to vote and those who do will vote Democratic.
#7 The popularity for Jones crosses party lines with a Super Pac run by Evan McMullin who is EX. CIA and ran a independent campaign in Utah has injected $500,000 into the Jones campaign.
#8 Polls are showing 40% of white women support Jones and will that 40% be more motivated to turn out than the other 60%?
The cities and suburbs of Birmingham, Huntsville, Mobile and Montgomery will decide the election.

The big question mark is how popular Trump still is in Alabama since February his national appeal has dropped about 12 to 15 points depending on the polls and that has been verified in special elections in states like Montana, SC, Georgia and Kansas which are a heavily "Red States".

The good news is that even if Moore wins it is a stain on the Republican Party.

I'm still predicting a Jones Victory of 4 to 5% and will eat crow if he doesn't just not Jim Crow.

As much as I'd love this scenario to play out, I can't for the life of me see Alabama elect a Democrat unless it's a very conservative democrat like a Joe Manchin. No offense to anyone from that state, but it's a state that likes its guns next to their bible. The state still treats blacks like second class citizens (I'm not making this up: http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/12/un_poverty_official_touring_al.html )

I don't have high hopes for a state like Alabama. They are stuck in the 50's, and they like it that way. Backwards.

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Love Comey on the sidelines watching Mueller go to work, watching the indictments and guilty pleas. The ultimate full-circle of karma will come when Trump and the flipped witnesses finger Trump and his inner-circle. Comey will have the last laugh.

[TGW]

dckings--just curious...did you vote for Trump? You're one of the few conservatives who's opinion I actually respect.

I'm just curious to see how normal conservative-voting Americans feel about how Trump is doing.

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Classic Republic dirty tricks, a shameless appeal to Southern racist sentiment using a "Jewish sounding" reporter with a "Jewish name"
Deplorable tactics.

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The Republicans are said to be fiscally conservative but the reality is that they aren't even if you look at the Obama administration much of his deficit was directly responsible from Bush destroying the economy.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/10/gop-presidents-have-been-the-worst-contributors-to-the-federal-debt/264193/

Obviously Canada is a much more socialistic country than the USA and we are a much more Federal Government society than the USA. But has controlled deficits much more efficiently than the USA.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/multimedia/canada-s-deficits-and-surpluses-1963-to-2015-1.3042571

Big government can work efficiently controlling costs at the same time as growing social services.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canada-vs-u-s-middle-class-what-the-new-york-times-missed-1.2621147
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/23/upshot/the-american-middle-class-is-no-longer-the-worlds-richest.html?hp&_r=1

In Ontario the minimum wage is being raised to $14 January 1 2018 and to $15 on January 1 2019 obvious many businesses are upset but the Ontario Government has lowered small corporate income tax to 3.5% from 5% on company s making less than $500,000.

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How ever, the end result MAY be enough to bring down the Orange One.

see, this is all you want. to nullify the election. and everyone sees through it.

this is not about right and wrong nor justice. and half the country wants the same. you are all brainwashed by mainstream media.


why instead do you not care about record highs in the stock market. and record lows in unemployment? why do you not care about wages rising, finally? Why do you not care about addressing the opium epidemic? Why do you not care about a politician that makes good on campaign promises? the first president in like forever to do so. all of them?

Basically why do you not care about america and americans?

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dckings--just curious...did you vote for Trump? You're one of the few conservatives who's opinion I actually respect.

I'm just curious to see how normal conservative-voting Americans feel about how Trump is doing.

Not to contradict you TGW, or speak for dckingsfan, but I personally don't consider him a conservative. He always sounds like a calmer, more even version of the way my mother was, attacking government inefficiency and waste, needlessly complex and unfair taxation and regulation, and what have you, but routinely voting for Democrats because of their stands on racial, gender, and sexual orientation equality, pro-choice, etc. She also couldn't stand what she saw as many Republicans fake, self-righteous, ostentatious, hypocritical (some combination) faith and prudery. When it came to tax reform, immigration, civil liberties, right to privacy, and a few other policies, she always seemed to think both parties had it wrong.

I considered her a true Independent waiting for the Republican party to wake up or a new party to come along, and habitually voting Democrat until then. I kind of think of dckingsfan in a similar vein, strong views, but well-informed views, some conservative, some liberal, not really tied to party. I'm pretty sure he did not vote for Trump.

Hey, I was gone for a week, just quickly breezed through what looked like 7 days of pretty interesting posts and discussion, and the place didn't burn down. Well done! Eastern liberal media fake news everywhere, Breitbart20 countering with the troot in plain language. Started a new job and it'll keep me pretty busy for a while, so if Rico or Nate have to come in to sweep up, be nice. If yer not, ya know what's coming...

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this is literally the best thing ive seen all day.

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dckings--just curious...did you vote for Trump? You're one of the few conservatives who's opinion I actually respect.

I'm just curious to see how normal conservative-voting Americans feel about how Trump is doing.

Not to contradict you TGW, or speak for dckingsfan, but I personally don't consider him a conservative. He always sounds like a calmer, more even version of the way my mother was, attacking government inefficiency and waste, needlessly complex and unfair taxation and regulation, and what have you, but routinely voting for Democrats because of their stands on racial, gender, and sexual orientation equality, pro-choice, etc. She also couldn't stand what she saw as many Republicans fake, self-righteous, ostentatious, hypocritical (some combination) faith and prudery. When it came to tax reform, immigration, civil liberties, right to privacy, and a few other policies, she always seemed to think both parties had it wrong.

I considered her a true Independent waiting for the Republican party to wake up or a new party to come along, and habitually voting Democrat until then. I kind of think of dckingsfan in a similar vein, strong views, but well-informed views, some conservative, some liberal, not really tied to party. I'm pretty sure he did not vote for Trump.

Hey, I was gone for a week, just quickly breezed through what looked like 7 days of pretty interesting posts and discussion, and the place didn't burn down. Well done! Eastern liberal media fake news everywhere, Breitbart20 countering with the troot in plain language. Started a new job and it'll keep me pretty busy for a while, so if Rico or Nate have to come in to sweep up, be nice. If yer not, ya know what's coming...

Agree with you Monte believe he is a independent who has likely voted Democrat more than Republican. We disagree on some things but think of myself as a independent who hates government waste but also agree on a number of things. Popper is a Republican but he listens to all sides and respect his views. No particular party has all the answers and it is extremely difficult in the USA with a 2 party system. While I no longer read or respond to SD20 he is caught within the nefarious web of Trumpism to the radical extremes and no longer warrants response.

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I wish I could be this optomistic. You are correct about Moore being a horrible candidate. However it is still Alabama, I just don't think there is the enough moderates to overcome the strong conservative lean of the state.

Virginia is encouraging for national prospects, but it is vastly different than Alabama. Virginia as a state is moving in a blue and urban direction.

http://www.newsweek.com/will-roy-moore-win-because-gloria-allred-conservatives-say-lawyer-handed-742866

As-soon I saw the Allred's face in Alabama I let out a huge groan, it wasn't going to matter what the victim had to say about Moore. Allred made a big mistake by not putting the full information about the year-book entry out early. The totality of all of the to other evidence and witnesses will now be ignored. In any case, I never believed that Moore was going to lose.

I am one who is going against the popular belief that Moore will win!
#1 He was never that popular in Alabama to start with in that his last election against a Democrat he only won by 3%.
#2 I also acknowledge that he will get a significant amount of the "Born Again Vote" the question is what % of the that vote will turn out.
#3 His remarks about slavery and Doug Jones has appeal within the black community because his convictions of the KKK should invigorate a higher turnout and that community represents 26% of the population with Hispanics and other minorities another 3%.
#4 Jones has invested heavily in a ground game where Jones hasn't and Virginia is a perfect example of the importance of getting people to the polls.
#5 The ruling class in Alabama is PRO Jones solid Republican white suburbs in the major cities like Birmingham have signage 10 to 1 for Jones. They realize that Moore will inhibit growth in a already poor Alabama economy. They will vote with there wallets.
#6 For the 1st. time ex felons will be allowed to vote and those who do will vote Democratic.
#7 The popularity for Jones crosses party lines with a Super Pac run by Evan McMullin who is EX. CIA and ran a independent campaign in Utah has injected $500,000 into the Jones campaign.
#8 Polls are showing 40% of white women support Jones and will that 40% be more motivated to turn out than the other 60%?
The cities and suburbs of Birmingham, Huntsville, Mobile and Montgomery will decide the election.

The big question mark is how popular Trump still is in Alabama since February his national appeal has dropped about 12 to 15 points depending on the polls and that has been verified in special elections in states like Montana, SC, Georgia and Kansas which are a heavily "Red States".

The good news is that even if Moore wins it is a stain on the Republican Party.

I'm still predicting a Jones Victory of 4 to 5% and will eat crow if he doesn't just not Jim Crow.

I wish I could have your optimism but just like Trump was elected, there are still way too many people brainwashed by Fox News and Breitbart who are willing to vote for absolute trash for “reasons”. Even if the black vote turns up I don’t see Jones getting enough of the white vote to flip Alabama.

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Woods needs to STFU, he is Roy Moore’s Brother
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4874518/amp/Armie-Hammer-calls-James-Woods-Twitter.html


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dckings--just curious...did you vote for Trump? You're one of the few conservatives who's opinion I actually respect.

I'm just curious to see how normal conservative-voting Americans feel about how Trump is doing.

Not to contradict you TGW, or speak for dckingsfan, but I personally don't consider him a conservative. He always sounds like a calmer, more even version of the way my mother was, attacking government inefficiency and waste, needlessly complex and unfair taxation and regulation, and what have you, but routinely voting for Democrats because of their stands on racial, gender, and sexual orientation equality, pro-choice, etc. She also couldn't stand what she saw as many Republicans fake, self-righteous, ostentatious, hypocritical (some combination) faith and prudery. When it came to tax reform, immigration, civil liberties, right to privacy, and a few other policies, she always seemed to think both parties had it wrong.

I considered her a true Independent waiting for the Republican party to wake up or a new party to come along, and habitually voting Democrat until then. I kind of think of dckingsfan in a similar vein, strong views, but well-informed views, some conservative, some liberal, not really tied to party. I'm pretty sure he did not vote for Trump.

Hey, I was gone for a week, just quickly breezed through what looked like 7 days of pretty interesting posts and discussion, and the place didn't burn down. Well done! Eastern liberal media fake news everywhere, Breitbart20 countering with the troot in plain language. Started a new job and it'll keep me pretty busy for a while, so if Rico or Nate have to come in to sweep up, be nice. If yer not, ya know what's coming...

Agree with you Monte believe he is a independent who has likely voted Democrat more than Republican. We disagree on some things but think of myself as a independent who hates government waste but also agree on a number of things. Popper is a Republican but he listens to all sides and respect his views. No particular party has all the answers and it is extremely difficult in the USA with a 2 party system. While I no longer read or respond to SD20 he is caught within the nefarious web of Trumpism to the radical extremes and no longer warrants response.

the economy is on fire!! en fuego!!!

I understand that you are canadian and therefore dont really care about the american economy, our GDP growth, our jobs growth, our wages growth, etc.

and you have disclosed that you are 70 years old therefore simply care about government handouts to subsidize your healthcare.

so in a way, you are a single issue voter. and that issue being who gives you more subsides. everything else is fluff and bullcrap. all you care about is having a hard core liberal in office and in control of congress so the american government will subsidize your lifestyle as much as possible.

and you and 5 other posters are willing to go so far as to impeach trump to nullify the election. all because you want big daddy governement's nipple to suck on instead of providing for yourself. you want to tax the rest of us so that you can suck on that nipple.

but the crazy thing is that you are going to get your fix anyway due to the amazing growth. when the economy is strong there will be more money to throw at entitlements. and you now have a strong economy. the strongest, right now, this moment, than in 2 decades and at this rate of explosive growth we might end up on an economic run not seen since the early 1920's. and if so then there will be money enough for your big daddy governement nipple to suck on.

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this is awesome!!!!!!! must see TV!!!!! i remember in the early 80's when rap and hip hop had a positive message. Loved break dancing in those days. i was un a group called the UN(united nations) breakers. great times. great people. loved the dance-offs at the "old barn" in kankakee.

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