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Political Roundtable Pulsar of Annihilation part IV

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Re: Political Roundtable Pulsar of Annihilation part IV 

Post#1241 » by popper » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:01 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:Just this summer learned that the reason all the plants in my backyard were dying was because slugs were coming out at night and eating them all. My mom told me to dig a hole and put a cup of beer in it -- I drowned about thirty slugs that way, yuck.

We're pretty good at growing basil and oregano and stuff, but would need to grow about ten times as much to use it every day. In three years I think we've harvested about ten tomatoes. This year we tried squash but they all died. Back yard doesn't get much sunlight, and we don't know the hell what we're doing. Bought a blueberry bush and got a few blueberries a week from it, I consider that a success.


Zonk - It's really tough without enough sunlight. You might try some lettuces as they tend to not need as much sun. Also, try working in some composted manure into the soil this fall for next summer's crop.
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Re: Political Roundtable Pulsar of Annihilation part IV 

Post#1242 » by Nivek » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:26 pm

For 4-5 years, I planted a backyard garden. Tomatoes, cucumbers, peppers, some other stuff. Tomatoes did best. I harvested so many that I'd eat them for breakfast, give them away, etc. LOVED the heirloom tomatoes we grew.

Best year was the first one -- my next door neighbor (whose property is slightly uphill from mine) had just put in a new lawn and he was watering a lot. The runoff from his lawn went right into my garden. :D I'd have given his family some of the produce, but they don't eat many veggies over there. Not unless you count cheese.
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Post#1243 » by hands11 » Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:39 pm

So we finally found our common ground. Gardening ? :lol:

I always grow tomatoes on my balcony. This year I didn't buy new ones since they grow out of the soil from dropped tomatoes from last year. Only, I didn't get a good crop from that. Not sure why.

Usually I shoot for the cherry tomatoes. You usually get a ton and you can pick and eat right from the plant.
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Post#1244 » by montestewart » Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:22 pm

hands11 wrote:So we finally found our common ground. Gardening ? :lol:

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Post#1245 » by hands11 » Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:44 pm

montestewart wrote:
hands11 wrote:So we finally found our common ground. Gardening ? :lol:

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Hey Pops

You know anything about this ? I think it is oregano.
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Post#1246 » by popper » Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:03 pm

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hands11 wrote:So we finally found our common ground. Gardening ? :lol:

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Hey Pops

You know anything about this ? I think it is oregano.


Looks like the devils weed to me but how would I know? Finding something in common is important but I had no idea it would come to this.
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Post#1247 » by hands11 » Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:11 pm

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Nahh. I think this is Devils Weed.

I think that other stuff is Oregano
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Re: Political Roundtable Pulsar of Annihilation part IV 

Post#1248 » by popper » Tue Sep 25, 2012 12:37 pm

Health Premiums Up $3,000; Obama Vowed $2,500 Cut

By JOHN MERLINE, INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY
Posted 09/24/2012 06:43 PM ET


During his first run for president, Barack Obama made one very specific promise to voters: He would cut health insurance premiums for families by $2,500, and do so in his first term.

But it turns out that family premiums have increased by more than $3,000 since Obama's vow, according to the latest annual Kaiser Family Foundation employee health benefits survey.

Premiums for employer-provided family coverage rose $3,065 — 24% — from 2008 to 2012, the Kaiser survey found. Even if you start counting in 2009, premiums have climbed $2,370.

What's more, premiums climbed faster in Obama's four years than they did in the previous four under President Bush, the survey data show.

There's no question about what Obama was promising the country, since he repeated it constantly during his 2008 campaign.

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Re: Political Roundtable Pulsar of Annihilation part IV 

Post#1249 » by Wizardspride » Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:13 pm

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2 ... rmountable

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.co ... l-race/?hp

Obama's Lead Is Starting to Look Insurmountable



Nate Silver has an epic post today about late September polls from past years and how well they predict the eventual winner of a presidential race. Here are the highlights:

Obama is currently up by 3.7 percent. No candidate in the past 50 years has lost a lead that big.
No candidate with more than 47 percent of the vote in late September has ever lost. Obama is currently at 48.3 percent.

Big changes in the final month aren't impossible, but they've gotten rarer in the past 20 years.

It's not true that undecided voters tend to break for the challenger in the last few weeks of a race.

Read the whole thing for more. At the moment, though, the race is pretty clearly Obama's to lose. And Sam Wang agrees: his latest electoral vote forecast has Obama winning 347-191. Given all this, I'll make two predictions of my own:


The mudslinging from the Romney campaign is going to get really, really nasty and desperate over the next few weeks.

The smart money is shortly going to start deserting Romney and focusing downballot instead. The conservative base never liked Romney all that much to begin with, and I don't think it will take much for them to abandon him.

President Donald Trump referred to African countries, Haiti and El Salvador as "shithole" nations during a meeting Thursday and asked why the U.S. can't have more immigrants from Norway.
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Post#1250 » by hands11 » Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:57 pm

The mudslinging from the Romney campaign is going to get really, really nasty and desperate over the next few weeks.

The smart money is shortly going to start deserting Romney and focusing downballot instead. The conservative base never liked Romney all that much to begin with, and I don't think it will take much for them to abandon him.

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I posted about that with in the last couple of weeks. Actually right before he came out and attacked Obama over the embassy stuff. Then right on que, he jumped the gun on that one. But is that really anything different then they have been doing since he got in office. Probably not. They have been on his rss the entire time just like they were with Clinton.

Rs don't take losing election well at all.

The debates are less useful when there is an incumbent now that there is early voting. People can already do mail in ballets in lots of states. Next week starts early voting. Its harder to rig elections when people have longer to vote. And you can't change people minds when they have already voted.

But it was always a long shot for the Rs given the current make up of that party. Add who they put up as candidates this year and it was even tougher. Only one that really stood a chance in my book was Huntsman.

My prediction was a blow out. After that, I predicted the Rs would have to do some serious soul searching to figure out where do they go from there. I don't think the problem is in the candidates. Its in the policy and make up on their base. The ideas and demographics just don't add up anymore. I wouldn't be surprised if things get worse before they get better. I think the party will fracture into two groups. Tea Party and Religious fundamentalist will got even further to the right while the establishment tries to reform a more moderate base. And with that as their options, say hello to President Hillary Clinton.

To bad. I'm actually not totally against all of their ideas. I actually liked the idea of getting ride of the mortgage deduction and child credits. Only now would be a really tough time to do that kind of stuff. To bad they blow a hole in the deficit. If we were down closer to 50% debt to GDP it would be easier to implement this kind of stuff. It would also be easier to low taxes for everyone.

I guess that is my fundamental difference with how they went about it. Dems want lower taxes as well. Rs like to make it like they don't. Only real difference I see is this. Dems wanted to debt paid down ( like we were doing ) and then tax cuts once we could afford them. Rs wanted to starve the beast and then try to do it when people backs are against the wall so they could break apart SS, Medicare and Medicaid. I think plan A is much better. Had Bush not give up the surplus to get elected along with his other off budget stuff, we could be at like 25-30% debt to GDP. Our options would be vastly different.

Crazy how different things turn out when you hit that fork in the road and you take a right instead of taking a left. Before you know it you are way off course. And for every hour you drive the wrong way, you have to drive an hour in the right direction just to get back to that fork again. And you will never make up for the lost time. That is lost.
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Post#1251 » by Zonkerbl » Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:25 am

Only one candidate can save us from the zombie apocalypse!

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Post#1252 » by Nivek » Wed Sep 26, 2012 1:18 pm

Woulda liked that ad better if the zombies had eaten him.
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Post#1253 » by nate33 » Wed Sep 26, 2012 3:20 pm

Wizardspride wrote:http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/09/obamas-lead-starting-look-insurmountable

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.co ... l-race/?hp

Obama's Lead Is Starting to Look Insurmountable



Nate Silver has an epic post today about late September polls from past years and how well they predict the eventual winner of a presidential race. Here are the highlights:

Obama is currently up by 3.7 percent. No candidate in the past 50 years has lost a lead that big.
No candidate with more than 47 percent of the vote in late September has ever lost. Obama is currently at 48.3 percent.

Big changes in the final month aren't impossible, but they've gotten rarer in the past 20 years.

It's not true that undecided voters tend to break for the challenger in the last few weeks of a race.

Read the whole thing for more. At the moment, though, the race is pretty clearly Obama's to lose. And Sam Wang agrees: his latest electoral vote forecast has Obama winning 347-191. Given all this, I'll make two predictions of my own:


The mudslinging from the Romney campaign is going to get really, really nasty and desperate over the next few weeks.

The smart money is shortly going to start deserting Romney and focusing downballot instead. The conservative base never liked Romney all that much to begin with, and I don't think it will take much for them to abandon him.

Most polls are using 2008 samplings where Democrat representation was at record highs with an unprecedented youth vote, minority vote and general enthusiasm to vote for the first black president. The 2010 elections suggest that enthusiasm was temporary. Polls on party affiliation also show Republican identification increasing faster than Democrat identification.

If the turnout demographics look more like 2004 than 2008, the election will be entirely different. Rasmussen is the only major pollster using samplings that are an average of the 2004 and 2008 elections, and his polling shows a nearly dead heat between Obama and Romney. Rasmussen has been one of the most accurate pollers for years, though he was way off base in 2008.

So the question really is, will Obama turn out a record number of democrats in his second election despite a moribund economy? I'm not sure if anyone knows the answer to that.
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Re: Political Roundtable Pulsar of Annihilation part IV 

Post#1254 » by montestewart » Wed Sep 26, 2012 3:44 pm

Rasmussen off in 2010 too? Maybe it remains to be seen whether they're still what they used to be @ Rasmussen
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Post#1255 » by Nivek » Wed Sep 26, 2012 4:13 pm

Nate Silver, who writes the FiveThirtyEight blog at NY Times has done excellent poll analysis through the past few election cycles.

One of his recent articles addressed the issue of cell phones. Apparently, nearly a third of US households don't have a landline -- they rely strictly on cell. Cell-only households, apparently tend to be Democrat. Some polls call a mix of landline and cell numbers; others robo-call only landlines. Rasmussen is a poll that excludes landlines. According to Silver's analysis, if you split the two types of polls, Obama looks like the winner either way. But his odds of winning are better if you look at polls that include cell phones vs. polls that are landline-only.

It'll be interesting to see what happens. I've found Silver's analysis to be trustworthy, though.
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Post#1256 » by hands11 » Wed Sep 26, 2012 5:19 pm

Registered Democrats still dominate the political playing field with more than 42 million voters, compared to 30 million Republicans and 24 million independents.

Who are the independents ?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/157607/half- ... ndent.aspx
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Post#1257 » by montestewart » Wed Sep 26, 2012 5:40 pm

hands11 wrote:Registered Democrats still dominate the political playing field with more than 42 million voters, compared to 30 million Republicans and 24 million independents.

Who are the independents ?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/157607/half- ... ndent.aspx

Who are the Independents? The presentation of that poll doesn't really reveal too much of anything. The poverty estimates by party identification look suspect.
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Post#1258 » by fugop » Wed Sep 26, 2012 7:26 pm

The poverty #s likely reflect retirees/people living on social security.
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Re: Political Roundtable Pulsar of Annihilation part IV 

Post#1259 » by Wizardspride » Wed Sep 26, 2012 7:36 pm

http://www.gallup.com/poll/157547/democ ... nally.aspx


Democratic Enthusiasm Swells in the Swing States, Nationally


Voter enthusiasm in these states has grown among members of both political parties; however, Democrats' level has increased more. Thus, whereas equal percentages of Democrats and Republicans were enthusiastic in June, Democrats are now significantly more enthusiastic than Republicans, 73% vs. 64%.

Independents' enthusiasm also jumped substantially over this period -- up 18 points, similar to the 20-point gain among Democrats; however, independents' enthusiasm still lags behind that of both partisan group

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Re: Political Roundtable Pulsar of Annihilation part IV 

Post#1260 » by montestewart » Wed Sep 26, 2012 7:57 pm

fugop wrote:The poverty #s likely reflect retirees/people living on social security.

I could buy that, as that may be a fair way to measure, although the numbers classifying those living in poverty or not living in poverty pin down 90% of independents as one or the other, compared with only 62% of Democrats and a measly 43% of Republicans. Numbers like that scream: Some explanation (even a speculative one) needed, or readers will think we screwed up." Something better than what was provided. If those numbers are in fact true, and are explained by the numbers of retirees/people living on social security, that would seem to be the big story to be derived from those numbers.

The other story about independents that I only occasionally see covered, by a few journalists that care to dig deeper, is the number of people that identify as independent, yet seemingly invariably vote Democrat or Republican. Polls that ask appropriate questions separating voter identification from voting patterns often show a large number of "independents" that are not swing voters.

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