The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread

[nuposse04]

So what are some thoughts on going after Ed Davis in FA after the season. He's probably less hyped then either Monroe/Cousins and if it came to trading for his rights, would probably cost less. I also wonder if Memphis, with its new ownership, retain him outright. I mean he was the centerpiece of the Rudy Gay trade so maybe its a little far fetched, but I think Memphis might not be able to match a 8 figure per year contract if they can't do something with Z-bo.

[hands11]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/229963/DeMarcus-Cousins-Kings-On-Track-To-Sign-Contract-Extension


As expected.

So what does a max for Cousins look like year by year.

13 to start ? Wall got 13.7

Interesting to read Shaq is buying a piece of the SAC team. Good move for SAC. Shaq is even mentoring DMC. Talk if Cousins going here wasn't something I saw in the cards. This makes it even less so.

If I'm Cousins, I don't sign an extension unless it's for the max. Somebody will be willing to pay him a max salary this summer (perhaps us). No need to take less money.

Right. So what does that look like was the question.

Opps, never mind. Hot off the presses.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/171 ... us-cousins

DeMarcus Cousins received an extension with the Kings on a four year, $62 million deal on Thursday night.

Still not sure how it break down year to year but that's the price.

http://nba.si.com/2013/09/27/demarcus-c ... nto-kings/

The obvious comparable deal for this extension is the four-year, $58 million deal signed by Pacers center Roy Hibbert in July 2012.

Cousins joins Wizards guard John Wall, Bucks center Larry Sanders and Pacers forward Paul George among 2010 picks to agree to terms on rookie extensions so far this summer.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... With-Kings

Cousins won't have an early termination option in the contract.

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DeMarcus Cousins received an extension with the Kings on a four year, $62 million deal on Thursday night.

Why... that's less than max! Poor guy -- how's he going to get along on only $15+m a year? And what will his friends think of him?

[verbal8]

DeMarcus Cousins received an extension with the Kings on a four year, $62 million deal on Thursday night.

Why... that's less than max! Poor guy -- how's he going to get along on only $15+m a year? And what will his friends think of him?

I think that is the max for him at this point. The total is less than Wall because it is only 4 vs 5 years.

[penbeast0]

The Great Kabongo got picked up . . . by the Spurs which always makes me wonder if we missed out. I know he had fans here before the draft. (Man, watched 2 El Kabong cartoons . . . they don't hold up that well).

[dangermouse]

Cut someone for Hedo when he becomes available?

Eh, he'd probably prefer a contender if he stays in the league im guessing.

[LyricalRico]

^ Used to really like Hedo. He was never a star, but multi-skilled and pretty clutch IIRC. He just totally fell off when he signed that big deal with Toronto a few years ago. Places I think he could end up:

Dallas
Atlanta
New York

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^ Used to really like Hedo. He was never a star, but multi-skilled and pretty clutch IIRC. He just totally fell off when he signed that big deal with Toronto a few years ago. Places I think he could end up:

Dallas
Atlanta
New York

Now this is really beyond me. He is a terrible player, and he has always been a terrible player. In his very very best year he might have approached average. He doesn't rebound, doesn't get to the line, and turns it over at a high clip. Awful.

But... he does score a lot of points, right? That must mean he's good, right? Why bother to pay attention to his relatively low scoring efficiency and altogether crap everything else, right?

[barelyawake]

Turkeyglue's very best year (2007-2008) he got most improved player as a consolation prize because almost everyone believed he was snubbed as an All Star.

Clutch
First on the floor for the loose ball
Mismatch nightmare
Three point threat
Excellent court vision and passing

How can one not love the Glu?

[LyricalRico]

^ Agreed. I didn't say Hedo IS good. I said I "used to like him" but that he's since "totally fell off". But for a while he was just below All-Star level, and basically played point forward on a Magic team that went to the Finals.

[Ruzious]

^ Used to really like Hedo. He was never a star, but multi-skilled and pretty clutch IIRC. He just totally fell off when he signed that big deal with Toronto a few years ago. Places I think he could end up:

Dallas
Atlanta
New York

Now this is really beyond me. He is a terrible player, and he has always been a terrible player. In his very very best year he might have approached average. He doesn't rebound, doesn't get to the line, and turns it over at a high clip. Awful.

But... he does score a lot of points, right? That must mean he's good, right? Why bother to pay attention to his relatively low scoring efficiency and altogether crap everything else, right?

I don't think you do watch many basketball games. He was a very good team player who's best skill was passing the ball. He didn't particularly score a lot of points. On Orlando's playoff teams, he was their best passer. Would I want him now? Hell no - he's not close to the very good player he used to be.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Back when Dwight Howard was a beast in Orlando, I enjoyed Hedo's game. He had perimeter skills but even at 6'10" he could dribble and drive for layups. He was similar to Toni Kukoc on those good Bulls teams.

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^ Used to really like Hedo. He was never a star, but multi-skilled and pretty clutch IIRC. He just totally fell off when he signed that big deal with Toronto a few years ago. Places I think he could end up:

Dallas
Atlanta
New York

Now this is really beyond me. He is a terrible player, and he has always been a terrible player. In his very very best year he might have approached average. He doesn't rebound, doesn't get to the line, and turns it over at a high clip. Awful.

But... he does score a lot of points, right? That must mean he's good, right? Why bother to pay attention to his relatively low scoring efficiency and altogether crap everything else, right?

I don't think you do watch many basketball games. He was a very good team player who's best skill was passing the ball. He didn't particularly score a lot of points. On Orlando's playoff teams, he was their best passer. Would I want him now? Hell no - he's not close to the very good player he used to be.

Oh, I see -- you disagree w/ me, hence I must not watch basketball. Otherwise, I guess, how I could I not see what a good passer Turkoglu was back in his prime? Well, you are right -- passing was a strong skill, although he also shot the 3 pointer at a high % (and a lot). But when I watched the games, I also watched the other parts -- e.g. the parts where he didn't rebound at all, especially he almost never got an offensive board. And when I watched, I also watched the part where he turned it over quite a lot for a guy playing the 3-4.

As a result, although he was good at the things he was good at, he had little overall positive effect -- because he was bad at the things he was bad at.

Oh, btw, during his prime years he did indeed score a lot of points. Good from the 3 point line, as I mentioned, and back then he did get to the line and shoot a high % on FTAs too. More recently, he is still bad at what he always was bad at, and he's not so good at the things he used to be good at. So he's worse than he used to be, and he never used to be very good.

[Ruzious]

Now this is really beyond me. He is a terrible player, and he has always been a terrible player. In his very very best year he might have approached average. He doesn't rebound, doesn't get to the line, and turns it over at a high clip. Awful.

But... he does score a lot of points, right? That must mean he's good, right? Why bother to pay attention to his relatively low scoring efficiency and altogether crap everything else, right?

I don't think you do watch many basketball games. He was a very good team player who's best skill was passing the ball. He didn't particularly score a lot of points. On Orlando's playoff teams, he was their best passer. Would I want him now? Hell no - he's not close to the very good player he used to be.

Oh, I see -- you disagree w/ me, hence I must not watch basketball. Otherwise, I guess, how I could I not see what a good passer Turkoglu was back in his prime? Well, you are right -- passing was a strong skill, although he also shot the 3 pointer at a high % (and a lot). But when I watched the games, I also watched the other parts -- e.g. the parts where he didn't rebound at all, especially he almost never got an offensive board. And when I watched, I also watched the part where he turned it over quite a lot for a guy playing the 3-4.

As a result, although he was good at the things he was good at, he had little overall positive effect -- because he was bad at the things he was bad at.

Oh, btw, during his prime years he did indeed score a lot of points. Good from the 3 point line, as I mentioned, and back then he did get to the line and shoot a high % on FTAs too. More recently, he is still bad at what he always was bad at, and he's not so good at the things he used to be good at. So he's worse than he used to be, and he never used to be very good.

No, it's just that I can't understand how anyone who saw him year after year could have your view of him. So, I do find it VERY hard to believe that you watched him play. And if you did watch him play, he was a small forward - sometimes shooting guard. He rebounded fine for his position. He wasn't just a scorer in his prime - as everyone except you seems to realize. He was a great passer, a good ball-handler, and could take it to the basket. We all know he's stunk the last few years. You said he's always been a terrible player. If you' actually watched him many years - my apologies - and that would mean you're more than likely a terrible judge of talent.

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...No, it's just that I can't understand how anyone who saw him year after year could have your view of him. So, I do find it VERY hard to believe that you watched him play. And if you did watch him play, he was a small forward - sometimes shooting guard. He rebounded fine for his position. He wasn't just a scorer in his prime - as everyone except you seems to realize. He was a great passer, a good ball-handler, and could take it to the basket. We all know he's stunk the last few years. You said he's always been a terrible player. If you' actually watched him many years - my apologies - and that would mean you're more than likely a terrible judge of talent.

You can look at my record on players, draft picks, etc. to see whether I'm a terrible judge of talent. Happy to put it up against anyone else's here (but I have no interest in comparisons and certainly not in an argument).

Still, even Homer nods -- and so does PIF. Hence I was wrong.

Hadn't thought about HT in a long time, and I forgot that in the mid-years of the previous decade he played well for a few seasons. Hence, "always has been" was incorrect. What I meant, or at least what I should have meant, is that overall, based on total career, he's been a below average NBA SF.

Apologies.

[Dat2U]

...No, it's just that I can't understand how anyone who saw him year after year could have your view of him. So, I do find it VERY hard to believe that you watched him play. And if you did watch him play, he was a small forward - sometimes shooting guard. He rebounded fine for his position. He wasn't just a scorer in his prime - as everyone except you seems to realize. He was a great passer, a good ball-handler, and could take it to the basket. We all know he's stunk the last few years. You said he's always been a terrible player. If you' actually watched him many years - my apologies - and that would mean you're more than likely a terrible judge of talent.

You can look at my record on players, draft picks, etc. to see whether I'm a terrible judge of talent. Happy to put it up against anyone else's here (but I have no interest in comparisons and certainly not in an argument).

Still, even Homer nods -- and so does PIF. Hence I was wrong.

Hadn't thought about HT in a long time, and I forgot that in the mid-years of the previous decade he played well for a few seasons. Hence, "always has been" was incorrect. What I meant, or at least what I should have meant, is that overall, based on total career, he's been a below average NBA SF.

Apologies.

And your still wrong. Hedo has put up some stinkers, especially the last couple but overall he's been a solid SF who played 13 years and had 5 years were he was above average along with another 5 years were he was average. His play has declined significantly in 3 out of the last 4 seasons but he certainly wasn't below average before then.

[Nivek]

I have Turkoglu rated average or better in 4 seasons. Close in a couple others. His only consecutive average-or-better seasons were 2007-08 and 2008-09. For his career, I have him rated below average.

EDIT -- Upon further review, I caught a small error in my spreadsheet that bumps his career rating up a little to just a shade below average.

[barelyawake]

Would love to see the list of SFs your system ranks above Turkeyglue in the seasons he was "average-or-better." Do you mean for a starter? Either way, I'm fairly certain I would disagree with those lists.

He led a team to the finals (hitting several clutch shots along the way). He almost won sixth man of the year his sophomore season. And then there is the season he should have been an All Star. I wouldn't rank those seasons as "better than average," nor would I use career stats (which are dragged down by years he was injured) to then claim his overall career was below average.

[Nivek]

Don't have time to pull together a comprehensive list. I don't have a single season with Turkoglu rated at All-Star level.

Also, maybe I missed it, but I can't find a single season where Turkoglu "almost won" 6th man of the year, "sophomore season" or otherwise. In his second season, he finished 7th in the voting. Which is actually kinda misleading -- he had 2 votes out of 125. He also finished 14th in 04-05.

He won "Most Improved" in 07-08. Don't have time to consider whether he was deserving or whether it should have gone to someone else. Just at a glance, he did improve that season -- rebounds and assists were up. He also shot more frequently, and better, which meant he scored more. Usually, MIP voting can be explained by something like -- Increase in MPG + Increase in Pts Per Game.

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In short, he's been better overall than the "terrible player" I said he was -- a mistake on my part, given a few seasons to the contrary -- while never being a truly outstanding player.

Isn't there some other subject we can turn to? I may be wrong about the next one too!