2016 Offseason Thread -- Not (just) #KD2DC

[Wizardspride]

Actually, the trade looks even better given the reality of free agency. The Zards are going to need all the experienced bodies they can get. Mediocre or not, at least for the short-term Morris is almost certain to contribute more than a raw, inexperienced rookie.

Do you think that Wall, Gortat, etc. would rather have that 6th player currently under contract (at a very reasonable price, btw) be Morris or a rookie not named Simmons or Ingram?

Yup, that's why it was so smart of us to trade a mere draft pick yielding a raw, inexperienced rookie for two solid NBA players in the 2009 draft.

I would take Ellenson and 4 or 5 million of cap savings over Morris, thank you very much.

Maybe....but I'm not so sure John Wall would.

And that's a factor that needs to be accounted for.

[Ruzious]

Yup, that's why it was so smart of us to trade a mere draft pick yielding a raw, inexperienced rookie for two solid NBA players in the 2009 draft.

I would take Ellenson and 4 or 5 million of cap savings over Morris, thank you very much.

Maybe....but I'm not so sure John Wall would.

And that's a factor that needs to be accounted for.

I think John would - especially by the time he becomes a free agent.

[payitforward]

Actually, the trade looks even better given the reality of free agency. The Zards are going to need all the experienced bodies they can get. Mediocre or not, at least for the short-term Morris is almost certain to contribute more than a raw, inexperienced rookie.

Do you think that Wall, Gortat, etc. would rather have that 6th player currently under contract (at a very reasonable price, btw) be Morris or a rookie not named Simmons or Ingram?

Yup, that's why it was so smart of us to trade a mere draft pick yielding a raw, inexperienced rookie for two solid NBA players in the 2009 draft.

I would take Ellenson and 4 or 5 million of cap savings over Morris, thank you very much.

No kidding.

[DCZards]

Washington, DC is one of the most international, high-profile cities in the world--more high-profile than Boston. I have to believe that those things appeal to the Horfords as much (or more) as living with their Dominican people in Boston.

[Dat2U]

Yup, that's why it was so smart of us to trade a mere draft pick yielding a raw, inexperienced rookie for two solid NBA players in the 2009 draft.

I would take Ellenson and 4 or 5 million of cap savings over Morris, thank you very much.

Maybe....but I'm not so sure John Wall would.

And that's a factor that needs to be accounted for.

But this was not an either/or scenario. The Wizards did not have to give up a lottery pick for Markieff Morris when he had completely trashed his own value and no one else in the league was offering such an asset. At worst a better protected 1st rounder would have sufficed. We could have had both Markieff Morris & say Denzel Valentine on the roster.

[DCZards]

I would take Ellenson and 4 or 5 million of cap savings over Morris, thank you very much.

Maybe....but I'm not so sure John Wall would.

And that's a factor that needs to be accounted for.

I think John would - especially by the time he becomes a free agent.

You really think John Wall is worried about--or should be worried about--what happens in 2019 when he's at the peak of his career now?

[WallToWall]

Maybe....but I'm not so sure John Wall would.
And that's a factor that needs to be accounted for.

I think John would - especially by the time he becomes a free agent.

You really think John Wall is worried about--or should be worried about--what happens in 2019 when he's at the peak of his career now?

Wall should/would request a trade if he find the team is not able to compete for a championship when he is at his peak. He will be at his peak for the next 4 years. I can see him requesting a trade as soon as this year but most likely next year.

[Induveca]

Washington, DC is one of the most international, high-profile cities in the world--more high-profile than Boston. I have to believe that those things appeal to the Horfords as much (or more) as living with their Dominican people in Boston.

We'll see. When my big breakthrough came through, and had my choice of any US city, DC having zero Dominican influence or even neighborhoods or food pulled me away. Atlanta is the same vibe. Almost zero Caribbean influence.

I'm sure Miami/Boston/NYC all had great appeal. Boston has been a big immigration destination since the late 80s for Dominicans initially as a "cheaper New York", and really exploded as a hotbed of Dominican celebrities in the early 2000s with Pedro Martinez/David Ortiz/Manny Ramirez. Dominican politicians and celebrities have been a mainstay at Red Sox games up to this day (especially this year with Ortiz retiring).

It's a big deal for us, and that has to have a lot of appeal.....especially for his celebrity wife (and also already a well known celebrity in DR a decade prior to marrying Horford). She's also the niece of Boston homeowner, and famous musician Juan Luis Guerra. Their family owns sprawling financial and commercial businesses throughout the DR with small outposts in NYC/Miami/Boston and oddly Rhode Island.

We'll see, but culturally with the same money Boston seems like the clear front runner. The only thing which gives me hope is why DC at all? His father was a Bullet in the early 90s...... Keep the faith.

[montestewart]

I think John would - especially by the time he becomes a free agent.

You really think John Wall is worried about--or should be worried about--what happens in 2019 when he's at the peak of his career now?

Wall should/would request a trade if he find the team is not able to compete for a championship when he is at his peak. He will be at his peak for the next 4 years. I can see him requesting a trade as soon as this year but most likely next year.

All of these disappointing past moves we discuss could be rationalized as potentially contributing or at least not being as bad as some make them out to be. Wall will likely look at the big picture, a variation of the litany that PIF probably mumbles in his sleep: #1, #3, #3, and #6 picks over four years, along with a host of other picks, FA signing opportunities, trade opportunities, potential cap space to leverage, and after five years they've got seven players under contract and look like they're probably once again stuck in mediocrity.

If they land Horford or some other true difference maker that can move the needle, maybe Wall and all (or most) of us will chill. If not, he has good reason to ask for a trade, as do some of the more patient posters. Nate probably knows how poster trades work.

[80sballboy]

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If he signs/agrees to Boston tonight, we'll be filling the rest of the roster with fillers. If he agrees/signs with us, we'll have Sato (hopefully) and a bunch of minimum guys.

[LyricalRico]

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I don't remember seeing anything about Anderson meeting with us. Assume that means we're not in the running for him, just Horford?

[Induveca]

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I don't remember seeing anything about Anderson meeting with us. Assume that means we're not in the running for him, just Horford?

Let's hope.

[AFM]

If we strike out completely, this offseason will be very depressing. Our group of 6 guys + FA left overs? We could be a 35 win team next year.

[80sballboy]

Boston is sending out all their stars to get KD and Al. Where's D.C.'s star? Ovechkin? Bryce? Josh Norman? Obama?

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[montestewart]

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I don't remember seeing anything about Anderson meeting with us. Assume that means we're not in the running for him, just Horford?

I'm with others re passing on Anderson. His time has probably come and gone, and someone will probably offer an astonishing amount of money. I'm also with other regarding trying to resist the frenzy. Durant didn't work (not even close) and if they don't land Horford, see what bargains are available once teams have used up their money, go with smaller, shorter contracts, hope that next year circumstances will be better for striking. It would really help if the Wizards get back into the playoffs and make themselves look like a desirable location to play.

[80sballboy]

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I don't remember seeing anything about Anderson meeting with us. Assume that means we're not in the running for him, just Horford?

I'm with others re passing on Anderson. His time has probably come and gone, and someone will probably offer an astonishing amount of money. I'm also with other regarding trying to resist the frenzy. Durant didn't work (not even close) and if they don't land Horford, see what bargains are available once teams have used up their money, go with smaller, shorter contracts, hope that next year circumstances will be better for striking. It would really help if the Wizards get back into the playoffs and make themselves look like a desirable location to play.

That would be nice but adding everybody's cast-offs is probably not going to get back to the playoffs if Horford ain't coming.

[Induveca]

FWIW a few sites (Spanish and English) now reporting Celtics trying to finalize deal with Horford ASAP so he can attend the Durant meeting.

[Ruzious]

oops. technical error

[80sballboy]

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[Induveca]

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Thank god now pray for Horford! Wish the DC press would at least act like they're excited for the possibility......