Discuss Ernie Grunfeld's GM skills here (Part 2)

payitforward · Post #1241 » by **payitforward** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 11:04 pm

Ernie:

Kevin Seraphim > Trevor Booker
Kevin's out of the league; Trevor's a productive rotation player.

Jan Vesely > Kawhi Leonard
Also > Klay Thompson, Kemba Walker, Alec Burks & Nikola Vucevic.

Chris Singleton > Jimmy Butler
Also > than Tobias Harris, Kenneth Faried, Reggie Jackson & Cory Joseph.

Shelvin Mack > Isaiah Thomas
Also > Chandler Parsons, E'twaun Moore, Jon Leuer & Davis Bertans.

Tomas Satoransky > Draymond Green
Also >Jae Crowder, Khris Middleton, Will Barton & Kyle O'Quinn.

Cash considerations > Jordan Clarkson
Also > than trading up a few spots to get Nikola Jokic, Jerami Grant, Glenn Robinson, Spencer Dinwiddie or Dwight Powell.

Markieff Morris > a mid-lottery pick
Any one of a bunch of guys.

Chris McCullough > Jarrett Allen
Also > Kyle Kuzma, OG Anunoby, Josh Hart & Jordan Bell

With a record like that, of course Grunfeld > Ainge -- & not just at baseball!

payitforward · Post #1242 » by **payitforward** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 11:06 pm

Ruzious wrote:I think he'll be dirt cheap as a free agent. If he's healthy, I'd love to see the Wiz go after him - he and Christian Wood should be prime cheap acquisition targets for the Wiz for multi-year contracts.

There is no chance whatever that Ernie Grunfeld signs either of those guys. He doesn't know that those guys exist.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #1243 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:13 am

payitforward wrote:Ernie:

Kevin Seraphim > Trevor Booker
Kevin's out of the league; Trevor's a productive rotation player.

Jan Vesely > Kawhi Leonard
Also > Klay Thompson, Kemba Walker, Alec Burks & Nikola Vucevic.

Chris Singleton > Jimmy Butler
Also > than Tobias Harris, Kenneth Faried, Reggie Jackson & Cory Joseph.

Shelvin Mack > Isaiah Thomas
Also > Chandler Parsons, E'twaun Moore, Jon Leuer & Davis Bertans.

Tomas Satoransky > Draymond Green
Also >Jae Crowder, Khris Middleton, Will Barton & Kyle O'Quinn.

Cash considerations > Jordan Clarkson
Also > than trading up a few spots to get Nikola Jokic, Jerami Grant, Glenn Robinson, Spencer Dinwiddie or Dwight Powell.

Markieff Morris > a mid-lottery pick
Any one of a bunch of guys.

Chris McCullough > Jarrett Allen
Also > Kyle Kuzma, OG Anunoby, Josh Hart & Jordan Bell

With a record like that, of course Grunfeld > Ainge -- & not just at baseball!

Add to those:

Signing injured Gibert Arenas to a seven-year deal. I knew he opted out because he was injured. Why didn't Ernie?

Drafting Oleksiy Pecherov ahead of Paul Millsap. I posted a solid year and a half before Millsap was drafted how good that guy was going to be.

His single worst move was trading the rights to what could have been Steph Curry for one year of Randy Foye and one year of Mike Miller. Trading a lottery pick for two expiring contracts was unconscionably bad.

millelie11, this is just the truth. The man has a lucky horseshoe.

Signing DeJuan Blair and Kris Humphries at the same time made no sense to me. The roster already had several power forwards on it.

He repeated essentially the same mistake by signing veterans Jason Smith and Ian Mahinmi behind Marcin Gortat. The amount of salary he is spending on two backup centers is incredibly bad.

Ernie Grunfeld bid high on both Andrew Nicholson and Jason Smith when no one was pursuing either player.

He does things just don't make sense to me.

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BigA · Post #1244 » by **BigA** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:18 am

This is a fun game

Maynor > ????

FAH1223 · Post #1245 » by **FAH1223** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:21 am

Can we have her?

Read on Twitter

Post #1246 » by **Ruzious** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:12 pm

payitforward wrote:
Ruzious wrote:I think he'll be dirt cheap as a free agent. If he's healthy, I'd love to see the Wiz go after him - he and Christian Wood should be prime cheap acquisition targets for the Wiz for multi-year contracts.

There is no chance whatever that Ernie Grunfeld signs either of those guys. He doesn't know that those guys exist.

It would be fitting if his signings were right out of LooneyWood.

milellie111 · Post #1247 » by **milellie111** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 2:01 am

Grunfeld > Morey

BigA · Post #1248 » by **BigA** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 1:56 pm

Grunfeld > Auerbach

Post #1249 » by **montestewart** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 5:50 pm

millie > STD

BigA · Post #1250 » by **BigA** » Mon Jan 1, 2018 6:12 am

montestewart wrote:millie > STD

Wouldn't this depend on which one?

payitforward · Post #1251 » by **payitforward** » Mon Jan 1, 2018 5:03 pm

FAH1223 wrote:Can we have her?

Read on Twitter

Matt Bonner's younger sister. She seems to be smart as hell & very good at her job.

I don't know that she's ready to be a GM yet (or that she's not ready either), but I'm sure she'd be an improvement over Ernie.

A robot programmed to play pin the tail on the donkey would have a shot to be an improvement over Ernie -- be a lot cheaper too.

payitforward · Post #1252 » by **payitforward** » Mon Jan 1, 2018 5:04 pm

BigA wrote:
montestewart wrote:millie > STD

Wouldn't this depend on which one?

What have you got against STDs?

payitforward · Post #1253 » by **payitforward** » Mon Jan 1, 2018 5:05 pm

Ruzious wrote:
payitforward wrote:
Ruzious wrote:I think he'll be dirt cheap as a free agent. If he's healthy, I'd love to see the Wiz go after him - he and Christian Wood should be prime cheap acquisition targets for the Wiz for multi-year contracts.

There is no chance whatever that Ernie Grunfeld signs either of those guys. He doesn't know that those guys exist.

It would be fitting if his signings were right out of LooneyWood.

It would be great if more of them weren't!!

Post #1254 » by **montestewart** » Mon Jan 1, 2018 5:39 pm

payitforward wrote:
BigA wrote:
montestewart wrote:millie > STD

Wouldn't this depend on which one?

What have you got against STDs?

Season's gleetings?

Sorry folks, that was pretty low. Happy New Year!

NatP4 · Post #1255 » by **NatP4** » Wed Jan 3, 2018 8:18 pm

The Mike Young era is over. I’ll never forget the day that I called him a poor man’s Paul Millsap on this board. Rest In Peace

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #1256 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Wed Jan 3, 2018 8:30 pm

NatP4 wrote:The Mike Young era is over. I’ll never forget the day that I called him a poor man’s Paul Millsap on this board. Rest In Peace

He produced at Pitt. I missed on him as well but I'm not ashamed of it.

Ultimately, he is a player who lacks the athleticism to be elite. No, he is nowhere near the rebounder or energetic force that Paul Millsap was in college or in the NBA. I never thought he could do that but I did think he might be a poor man's Antawn Jamison. (Or very similar to Mike Scott...)

Wrong...

Michael Young has pretty much the same issues as Melo Trimble. He does not have the size or quick bounce to get away with just being a really solid player.

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closg00 · Post #1257 » by **closg00** » Wed Jan 3, 2018 11:46 pm

NatP4 wrote:The Mike Young era is over. I’ll never forget the day that I called him a poor man’s Paul Millsap on this board. Rest In Peace

At-least he got a Rolex

Post #1258 » by **paulpressey25** » Sat Jan 6, 2018 4:36 pm

Coming in peace guys in advance of tonight's game. How do you feel about EG as the Wiz sit at 23-16?

I still think he's your biggest roadblock to ever being able to win the East.

pcbothwel · Post #1259 » by **pcbothwel** » Sat Jan 6, 2018 5:24 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:Coming in peace guys in advance of tonight's game. How do you feel about EG as the Wiz sit at 23-16?

I still think he's your biggest roadblock to ever being able to win the East.

I would say EG himself is viewed as terrible by this board, but the FO in general seems to produce solid scouting. Wall and Beal were easy enough, but Otto wasnt as clear. Furthermore, Oubre and Sato are looking like Great value as is UDFA's like Sheldon Mac and Devin Robinson.

I dont think there is much of any chance that EG is fired, but thats ok. I still foresee a scenario where he either stays as President and Tommy Shepard/TBD run the pro scouting and draft, or EG simply retires.

closg00 · Post #1260 » by **closg00** » Sat Jan 6, 2018 8:38 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:Coming in peace guys in advance of tonight's game. How do you feel about EG as the Wiz sit at 23-16?

I still think he's your biggest roadblock to ever being able to win the East.

If we ever get off the Grunfeld treadmill and into the Eastern finals, it will be from sheer luck and not because of anything "patchwork Ernie" every did. EG is GM 4-life.