Official Trade Thread -- Part XL

[The Consiglieri]

If they land Ujiri, I hope the first move he makes is trading Beal on draft night. They could atleast land 3+ 1st round picks or a top 4 pick in the 2021 draft.

This team continues to have absolutely no direction. Sheppard doubled down on trying to make the playoffs and “winning now” last night in his media availability. How stupid can a front office be? Do they watch these games? They employ the worst coach in the NBA. Westbrook is out there shooting 3-15 with 8 turnovers. Beal completely stopped playing defense 2 years ago. They have a revolving door of replacement level bigs. At best they are a first round exit with no upside as a team.

It’s all so stupid. I honestly believe that Sheppard/Ted believe and are aiming to sign another veteran scrub with the MLE and pick 8 or 9th in the draft again, and hire another mediocre coach to magically turn this team into a decently entertaining 2nd round exit. That’s their most ambitious goal.

The only way to rebuild with Beal is to first get him to agree to an extension. You can't rebuild if you are constantly worrying about him getting frustrated and leaving in free agency. Beal has to totally buy in to the rebuild and put his money where his mouth is. If he won't do that, then trade him.

This is not a criticism of Beal. He has every right to be impatient and want to play on a team with contention hopes.

Which is why he should’ve been traded already. If he had been we’d be tanking properly and have the best odds at staying in the top 5 blue chip zone from sucking, + all the Beal goodies. Instead were white knuckling locked in top 5 status and Beal sticking around (which he won’t after yet another disastrous season, nailing this lottery is probably the only chance at retention which is ironically harmed by Beal’s presence, which is keeping us in games).

[The Consiglieri]

Jabari Parker was waived. He's a talented offensive player, and I enjoyed watching him play the one year he was here. On the downside, he's an indifferent defender, and not much of a 3 point threat.

I know we should be developing Avdija and Bonga, but this year they stink. They're not NBA caliber players at this point. And Bertans isn't much better.

Good, play and develop them and let their struggles help the tank.

[NatP4]

Best case scenario is a trade back to land multiple picks in the 10-15 range. They aren’t trading Beal and they aren’t going to finish top 3. We won’t get Suggs or Mobley. I’m just hoping to move back from 4 or 6ish to get Wagner&Butler and a new coach. Combine that with Gafford hopefully developing into a quality starting C, maybe they can build a quality team.

Westbrook Butler Winston
Beal Mathews
Avdija Wagner Hutchison
Hachimura Bertans Bonga
Gafford Bryant

Eventually they need to move Westbrook for expirings.

[bsilver]

Jabari Parker was waived. He's a talented offensive player, and I enjoyed watching him play the one year he was here. On the downside, he's an indifferent defender, and not much of a 3 point threat.

I know we should be developing Avdija and Bonga, but this year they stink. They're not NBA caliber players at this point. And Bertans isn't much better.

Good, play and develop them and let their struggles help the tank.

When you watch a game do you want them to win or lose? I love NBA basketball and like to root for the Wizards, and would not watch at all if I wanted them lose. Rooting for the tank is really hard.

[nate33]

Jabari Parker was waived. He's a talented offensive player, and I enjoyed watching him play the one year he was here. On the downside, he's an indifferent defender, and not much of a 3 point threat.

I know we should be developing Avdija and Bonga, but this year they stink. They're not NBA caliber players at this point. And Bertans isn't much better.

I think he has talent and I liked him when he was here, but he is too redundant with Rui and I don't want to do anything to disrupt Rui's development.

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What do people think about Mfiondou Kabengle

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[nate33]

What do people think about Mfiondou Kabengle

I thought he was an intriguing prospect for the draft and I might have considered taking him with a high 2nd round pick (he was gone by the #27 pick though).

As it turns out, he looks like a bust. In two seasons, he can't even get garbage time minutes. The guy has totaled 158 minutes in two years. And his per minute numbers, for what they're worth in a tiny sample size, suggest that he can't rebound, defend or block shots. He is dead weight

[NatP4]

Yeah he’s a bust

[NatP4]

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[gambitx777]

Meh he's ok but deni doesn't suck and bonga might be the best defender on the team. Both are stupid young too. Parker doesn't help us much any way.

Jabari Parker was waived. He's a talented offensive player, and I enjoyed watching him play the one year he was here. On the downside, he's an indifferent defender, and not much of a 3 point threat.

I know we should be developing Avdija and Bonga, but this year they stink. They're not NBA caliber players at this point. And Bertans isn't much better.

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[nate33]

Word is Orlando won't buy out Otto Porter, so there goes that bright idea.

[nate33]

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Interesting.

Dieng is a pretty useful player.

I can see why Memphis let him go since they have JV and Tillman, plus JJJ is coming back. But other, less fortunate teams could use him. He's not awful defensively and can knock down a 3. Heck, Denver would have been better off with him instead of sacrificing two 2nds for McGee.

Charlotte could use him.

[The Consiglieri]

Jabari Parker was waived. He's a talented offensive player, and I enjoyed watching him play the one year he was here. On the downside, he's an indifferent defender, and not much of a 3 point threat.

I know we should be developing Avdija and Bonga, but this year they stink. They're not NBA caliber players at this point. And Bertans isn't much better.

Good, play and develop them and let their struggles help the tank.

When you watch a game do you want them to win or lose? I love NBA basketball and like to root for the Wizards, and would not watch at all if I wanted them lose. Rooting for the tank is really hard.

Lose. I’ve been watching this team blow/ignore/get unlucky w/rebuilds for thirty-five years. I just want them to recognize reality. You’re either in the mix, or not. We’d be in the mix if we’d traded up for MPJR, we didn’t so we’re not. We have one elite valued commodity. That’s it. As such you have to play the blow it up game. We will not pull attractive free agents because we’ve been irrelevant since the 1970’s. You have to keep doing this till you hit. We had a chance w/Webber/Howard/Wallace, we blew that, we had a chance w/the ‘’09-13 lotteries but we missed big w/our ‘11 and ‘13 picks so we failed again. Reboot. It’s how it’s done until you get it right or your a destination team for elite players like the Lakers or Heat etc. We aren’t those destination teams so we have to do it the hard way. Hope to hit it big this off-season. Otherwise you’re cheering on a 20-45 win team for another 4 decades like I’ve done for the previous four. No guarantee it will work (see Charlotte & Minnesota) but Steph, Kawahi, Giannis and more were there for the picking and we fumbled them as we fumbled away the nineties. The chance to do it right is always there, you just need to be lucky and good.

[The Consiglieri]

I should also note for those past few rebuilds we were run by GM’s and F.O.’s that were notorious leaguewide and abase wide for being laughingstock, knuckle headed morons ripe to be taken advantage of. To be lucky and good requires you avoid hiring idiots and if you hire idiots, recognize the mistake and act quickly. Ted, like Abe before him, was loyal to a fault w/incompetent GM’s, more trigger happy w/coaches. Bad GM’s do far more lasting long term damage than bad coaches, and so it’s critical you have sharper owners than Ted or Abe that can no how to use the hook w/o being a Snyder.

[gambitx777]

That's an odd one too but they don't have a ton of other options if I were them I would by him out and kid the tires on RHJ

Word is Orlando won't buy out Otto Porter, so there goes that bright idea.

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[prime1time]

What do people think about Mfiondou Kabengle

I thought he was an intriguing prospect for the draft and I might have considered taking him with a high 2nd round pick (he was gone by the #27 pick though).

As it turns out, he looks like a bust. In two seasons, he can't even get garbage time minutes. The guy has totaled 158 minutes in two years. And his per minute numbers, for what they're worth in a tiny sample size, suggest that he can't rebound, defend or block shots. He is dead weight

It is it fair to label him a bust so early? Big men take time.

[nate33]

What do people think about Mfiondou Kabengle

I thought he was an intriguing prospect for the draft and I might have considered taking him with a high 2nd round pick (he was gone by the #27 pick though).

As it turns out, he looks like a bust. In two seasons, he can't even get garbage time minutes. The guy has totaled 158 minutes in two years. And his per minute numbers, for what they're worth in a tiny sample size, suggest that he can't rebound, defend or block shots. He is dead weight

It is it fair to label him a bust so early? Big men take time.

The guy is 23 years old and hasn't even convinced a coach to play him in garbage time. How much time do you want to give him?

Also, even if he improves a ton and everything breaks right, it looks like he'll only pan out to be a backup caliber center. It's not worth it to spend the time and roster spot to groom a backup caliber center. Backup caliber centers are available every offseason for peanuts. For example, do you honestly think he'll pan out to be better than Alex Len or Gorgui Dieng?

[gambitx777]

The same reason I'm super happy getting Gafford big men take time.

What do people think about Mfiondou Kabengle

I thought he was an intriguing prospect for the draft and I might have considered taking him with a high 2nd round pick (he was gone by the #27 pick though).

As it turns out, he looks like a bust. In two seasons, he can't even get garbage time minutes. The guy has totaled 158 minutes in two years. And his per minute numbers, for what they're worth in a tiny sample size, suggest that he can't rebound, defend or block shots. He is dead weight

It is it fair to label him a bust so early? Big men take time.

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[prime1time]

I thought he was an intriguing prospect for the draft and I might have considered taking him with a high 2nd round pick (he was gone by the #27 pick though).

As it turns out, he looks like a bust. In two seasons, he can't even get garbage time minutes. The guy has totaled 158 minutes in two years. And his per minute numbers, for what they're worth in a tiny sample size, suggest that he can't rebound, defend or block shots. He is dead weight

It is it fair to label him a bust so early? Big men take time.

The guy is 23 years old and hasn't even convinced a coach to play him in garbage time. How much time do you want to give him?

Also, even if he improves a ton and everything breaks right, it looks like he'll only pan out to be a backup caliber center. It's not worth it to spend the time and roster spot to groom a backup caliber center. Backup caliber centers are available every offseason for peanuts. For example, do you honestly think he'll pan out to be better than Alex Len or Gorgui Dieng?

I really don’t know.

[nate33]

The same reason I'm super happy getting Gafford big men take time.

Gafford is 22 and has already earned 1000 NBA minutes. He is posting 14 points, 10 boards and 3 blocks per 36 minutes on a TS% of .701. this year with a breakeven on/off differential. And he still has a rather low likelihood of panning out to be much more than a capable backup center.

Kabangele is 23 and has only convinced his team to play him 158 minutes in 2 years. He is posting 16 points, 6 boards and 1 block per 36 with a TS% of .501 during those minutes with a massively negative on/off differential of -12.2.

Big men take time, but they have to show something in their first two years. At least post some box score numbers and play a little D.