2025 Draft Thread - Part 3

[Dark Faze]

Kon Knueppel is a good example of where advanced stats can steer you wrong. Aint no way this dude gonna be anything more than a mercenary three point bench wing.

[Dat2U]

Newell and Fleming will have more NBA success than Ace Bailey.

Bailey will score and block shots, but he's at best, Dominique Wilkins.

Newell and Fleming with Sarr would be filthy defensively. All three have Siakim potential.

Newell & Fleming are two guys I like the least. Asa is PF sized in a C's body with C skill and Fleming's overall feel just scares me - although I do admit that can improve over time.

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Great work, Dat -- you are a phenom!!

[doclinkin]

Rudy Fernandez

Pretty sure he’s too old and not eligible for this draft.

[Rafael122]

Regarding Brooklyn and wanting to trade up using their 5 picks: it will take a team that wants to move down and acquire 2-3 picks in return. Some teams don't have the roster spots for it, and some teams don't really want to try and develop 3 rookies at the same time. This isn't the NFL where there's 53 spots on the team. You got 12 dudes, if you're going into the offseason and you have 9-10 and you're thinking about being a player in free agency, then it doesn't make sense.

I'm not concerned with Brooklyn leap frogging us. It's possible it happens, but not sure it will.

[tontoz]

Regarding Brooklyn and wanting to trade up using their 5 picks: it will take a team that wants to move down and acquire 2-3 picks in return. Some teams don't have the roster spots for it, and some teams don't really want to try and develop 3 rookies at the same time. This isn't the NFL where there's 53 spots on the team. You got 12 dudes, if you're going into the offseason and you have 9-10 and you're thinking about being a player in free agency, then it doesn't make sense.

I'm not concerned with Brooklyn leap frogging us. It's possible it happens, but not sure it will.

Brooklyn has a lot of open roster spots. They also have 4 guys with team options they could decline, and 3 guys eligible for the QO.

They have only 4 guys under contract for sure next season.

[80sballboy]

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[closg00]

Bailey probably won't fall to 6 if somebody other than Washington trades up to take him.

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I hope this isn’t true. A Point Guard that can’t break down a defender, penetrate and probe in the paint, set up shooters from anywhere, or explode to the rim and finish, is going to hold this group back, I hope they won’t be forcing this because they traded and drafted him.

[80sballboy]

Bailey probably won't fall to 6 if somebody other than Washington trades up to take him.

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I hope this isn’t true. A Point Guard that can’t break down a defender, penetrate and probe in the paint, set up shooters from anywhere, or explode to the rim and finish, is going to hold this group back, I hope they won’t be forcing this because they traded and drafted him.

We aren't going to the playoffs for another 2-3 years. I don't think Bub is all that, but there's no reason why they can't give him a shot to improve and then look for one in free agency, draft or trades, if he's not the guy. Maybe they love Fears or this is a smokescreen. I would prefer to take a shot at Bailey.

[Dat2U]

Rudy Fernandez

Pretty sure he’s too old and not eligible for this draft.

Rudy Hernandez, Hugo Fernandez, Rudy Gonzalez, Hugo Gonzalez... still Wizards in 4 (in 2029).

[Kanyewest]

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Sources say the Washington Wizards hope Ace Bailey’s refusal to work out for teams during the pre-draft process will cause him to slide.

A source said Washington benefited from the same approach last season with Alex Sarr. The French player refused to work out for the Atlanta Hawks, who had the first pick in the draft. After the Hawks passed on the projected No. 1 pick, the Wizards selected him second.

The Wizards have been impressed by the 18-year-old Bailey for some time. Sources say they’re not concerned about his perceived poor shot selection this season at Rutgers. Some Washington executives had Bailey rated higher than expected No. 1 pick Cooper Flagg in high school.

Sixers weigh NBA draft options at No. 3: Ace Bailey, VJ Edgecombe, or someone else? Wizards hope Bailey falls to them. inquirer.com/sixers/sixers-… via @phillyinquirer

Interesting that this is coming from a Philly source. Is this misdirection?

Via reddit.
"This guy said the hornets worked out nobody in the top 10 other than kon knueppel and then Tre johnson said he worked out for them a day later. Color me skeptical on his sources"

[closg00]

Bailey probably won't fall to 6 if somebody other than Washington trades up to take him.

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I hope this isn’t true. A Point Guard that can’t break down a defender, penetrate and probe in the paint, set up shooters from anywhere, or explode to the rim and finish, is going to hold this group back, I hope they won’t be forcing this because they traded and drafted him.

We aren't going to the playoffs for another 2-3 years. I don't think Bub is all that, but there's no reason why they can't give him a shot to improve and then look for one in free agency, draft or trades, if he's not the guy. Maybe they love Fears or this is a smokescreen. I would prefer to take a shot at Bailey.

I disagree, AJ more resembled a PG than Bub, the development of Sarr and whoever we draft tonight will suffer if we don’t get a PG and run an offense.

[Dat2U]

Kon Knueppel is a good example of where advanced stats can steer you wrong. Aint no way this dude gonna be anything more than a mercenary three point bench wing.

King Kon seems like the advanced stat geeks dream. A heavy footed high IQ'er who makes all the right plays, especially the ones he doesn't try to make. Bro has literally been the perfect college role player. I dont understand how that translated to top 3-5 value among spreadsheet FC.

[pcbothwel]

Newell and Fleming will have more NBA success than Ace Bailey.

Bailey will score and block shots, but he's at best, Dominique Wilkins.

Newell and Fleming with Sarr would be filthy defensively. All three have Siakim potential.

Newell & Fleming are two guys I like the least. Asa is PF sized in a C's body with C skill and Fleming's overall feel just scares me - although I do admit that can improve over time.

Agreed. Newell is an athletic tweener with a motor, but mediocre feel and no offense.
Looks like Reggie Perry to me, with a ceiling of John Collins if the shot falls. He's not in my top 10 for Bigs
Wolf, Sorber, Beringer, and Fleming are all clearly better to me. I'd argue that Broome, Yang, and Raynaud are also better prospects.

[machu46]

Lord Broom aka TSW aka The Secret Weapon posts his YODA for the 2025 Draft:

https://www.bulletsforever.com/2025/6/25/24454659/the-2025-nba-draft-according-to-yoda

Has CMB 4th. Johnson 9th. Bailey 11th. Queen 29th.

Interesting. YODA has love for Kon, Asa Newell and Jace Richardson.

I'm not really a fan of YODA in general, but it is interesting that Kon, Newell, Richardson, and CMB are probably four of my absolute favorite prospects in the class.

There's definitely some prospects in here that I feel much more confident in my appraisals of, but this is ultimately where I think I've landed on my big board this year, including some write-ups for some of the players I think I'm higher/lower on than consensus:

https://fanspo.com/nba/draft-big-boards/myoIImiHJhxkMd

[80sballboy]

I hope this isn’t true. A Point Guard that can’t break down a defender, penetrate and probe in the paint, set up shooters from anywhere, or explode to the rim and finish, is going to hold this group back, I hope they won’t be forcing this because they traded and drafted him.

We aren't going to the playoffs for another 2-3 years. I don't think Bub is all that, but there's no reason why they can't give him a shot to improve and then look for one in free agency, draft or trades, if he's not the guy. Maybe they love Fears or this is a smokescreen. I would prefer to take a shot at Bailey.

I disagree, AJ more resembled a PG than Bub, the development of Sarr and whoever we draft tonight will suffer if we don’t get a PG and run an offense.

Point guards are important, but not as much as they used to be. Now you have secondary ballhandlers like Bilal and Kyshawn George. Bub is just 18. You act as if he'll never improve, and again, if he doesn't, then move on and he'll be a combo guard off the bench or just a 2. Sure AJ could also be an option at the point and CJ can run some point.

[NatP4]

Seems like Jakucionis is dropping into the 10-14 range. Would love to trade up and get him.

[80sballboy]

Seems like Jakucionis is dropping into the 10-14 range. Would love to trade up and get him.

He's talented with good size for a PG, but so turnover-prone. I think he's more combo than a 1 in the NBA. We might move up to get Bailey at 3 or 4, I don't think we'll have an 18th pick unless we trade a future pick. Even if we don't trade up, I'm not trading a future FRP to move up to get him.

[DCZards]

Lord Broom aka TSW aka The Secret Weapon posts his YODA for the 2025 Draft:

https://www.bulletsforever.com/2025/6/25/24454659/the-2025-nba-draft-according-to-yoda

Has CMB 4th. Johnson 9th. Bailey 11th. Queen 29th.

Interesting. YODA has love for Kon, Asa Newell and Jace Richardson.

I'm not really a fan of YODA in general, but it is interesting that Kon, Newell, Richardson, and CMB are probably four of my absolute favorite prospects in the class.

There's definitely some prospects in here that I feel much more confident in my appraisals of, but this is ultimately where I think I've landed on my big board this year, including some write-ups for some of the players I think I'm higher/lower on than consensus:

https://fanspo.com/nba/draft-big-boards/myoIImiHJhxkMd

Wow. My guy Micah Peavy of G’Town at 31. Good to see him getting some well-deserved love.

[machu46]

Interesting. YODA has love for Kon, Asa Newell and Jace Richardson.

I'm not really a fan of YODA in general, but it is interesting that Kon, Newell, Richardson, and CMB are probably four of my absolute favorite prospects in the class.

There's definitely some prospects in here that I feel much more confident in my appraisals of, but this is ultimately where I think I've landed on my big board this year, including some write-ups for some of the players I think I'm higher/lower on than consensus:

https://fanspo.com/nba/draft-big-boards/myoIImiHJhxkMd

Wow. My guy Micah Peavy of G’Town at 31. Good to see him getting some well-deserved love.

I hate to give Georgetown credit but if his shooting this season was real, he'll be higher than this in a re-draft I think.