Political Roundtable Pulsar of Annihilation part IV

[hands11]

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/201 ... ctoral-map

Its over people. But it has been for a while. Those R primaries made it clear. Only chance at all was to pin the Bush economy of Obama and the American people didn't buy that bucket of BS.

No Republican has ever won the White House without carrying the state.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/150743/Obama-Romney.aspx

Should be interesting to see if Obama can break through the 50% number. If he get to even 51% that is going to be news. If he get to 52 or more, get out of the way as the rats flee the ship. Every man for himself. The only question at that point is how far down ballet will this carry.

But they gave it the ol college try.
Spend tons of money on ads with money from a hand full of billionaires.
Purge and limit the voting roles
Dog whistles all over the place to get the racist white male vote
Lie your rss off about Obama is not American. Now they are saying he is lazy and just likes to play basketball.
Black man loves to hand out food stamps. He is the food stamp President after all.
Only thing left is to talk about Chicken and Watermelon.

God needs to remove this man from the planet.
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-ne ... t-gingrich

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/

Dems keep the Senate
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... s_ups.html

Rs keep the house.
But if they end up sticking to obstructing, they will get kicked out next mid term.

[Nivek]

Good point, monte. "Independent" means not belonging to a party. That's not synonymous with "swing voter." I'm in that "swing" category. So, in a sense, my vote's for sale during each election cycle. What I need is more pandering. Maybe some outright bribery.

[Nivek]

Back to polling just for a second. Nate Silver wrote a piece back in 2010 about Rasmussen, which seems to be the preferred poll of guys like Hannity, Dick Morris, Limbaugh, etc. Here's what Silver wrote:

On Tuesday [Nov. 2, 2010], polls conducted by the firm Rasmussen Reports — which released more than 100 surveys in the final three weeks of the campaign, including some commissioned under a subsidiary on behalf of Fox News — badly missed the margin in many states, and also exhibited a considerable bias toward Republican candidates.

[Wizardspride]

Should be interesting to see if Obama can break through the 50% number. If he get to even 51% that is going to be news. If he get to 52 or more, get out of the way as the rats flee the ship. Every man for himself. The only question at that point is how far down ballet will this carry.

But they gave it the ol college try.
Spend tons of money on ads with money from a hand full of billionaires.
Purge and limit the voting roles
Dog whistles all over the place to get the racist white male vote
Lie your rss off about Obama is not American. Now they are saying he is lazy and just likes to play basketball.
Black man loves to hand out food stamps. He is the food stamp President after all.
Only thing left is to talk about Chicken and Watermelon.

I'm sure someone will accuse you of playing the race card but I don't care.

You're spot on. Obviously, I'm not a conservative but even if I was, the GOP's blatant voter supression attempts would've cost them my vote.

That's the final straw with me.

I hope these guys get buried in Nov.

[hands11]

Watching some Kudlow

I can't believe what I just heart. Kudlow is actually promoting the idea that Mitt wants this to be a "Choice" election.

No he doesn't. He wanted it to be a " Referendum" election. That was the goal all along. Do nothing to help the economy and then run on the poor economy. Pin it on Obama. Run on the data that says if unemployment is to high, the incompetent loses. They failed at that because the facts were against them and the Dems have gotten much better at combating childish lies. They don't just sit there and take it from the Rs anymore.

So now that the " Referendum" approach has failed, they are acting like they are choosing to make this a "choice" election. Like that is what they really wanted all along.

These guys are so full of it. This is the last thing they wanted and we are only hear because Mitt is a failure as a politician. The man has be running for 6 years. People don't like him. The Rs don't like him. He is a compulsive liar. He is a puppet. He is shallow. And he is about as geeky nerdy and socially awkward as you can get for a white guy.

[hands11]

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/09/ ... 012-polls/

So when all the polls are against you, question the polls. lol

Is there no end to how these people will play the anti science and anti main stream media card ?

Propaganda at it best. Hey, don't trust the facts. Don't trust the media that is "main stream"

No no no. Trust what we tell you and the media that the majority of the people don't qualify as main stream. Live in our bubble.

Yeah, that makes sense.

[closg00]

Billy Hunter gets 25% pay raise during the lockout!!! THIS is WTF is wrong with the U.S.

[montestewart]

Billy Hunter gets 25% pay raise during the lockout!!! THIS is WTF is wrong with the U.S.

He probably gets a differential bonus during any year when he actually has to get off his @$$ and work (like, you know, if there's a lockout or something).

Success is measured in compensation. Getting paid more money in itself proves Hunter deserved a raise. It worked with the bankers. Wish I could figure out a way to employ that model.

[Wizardspride]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/3 ... 26660.html

Paul Ryan: 'It Would Take Me Too Long' To Explain Mitt Romney's Tax Plan



WASHINGTON -- Republican vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan promised again on Sunday that Mitt Romney’s tax plan would bring lower tax rates for all Americans while remaining revenue-neutral, although he didn’t fully explain how it would accomplish that.

The Obama campaign has blasted the Romney-Ryan ticket for not providing details on how it would give Americans such large tax breaks without growing the deficit. Ryan reiterated in an interview on "Fox News Sunday" that the plan would drop taxpayers' bills by 20 percent without costing a dime, due to closed tax loopholes, but he was short on specifics when pressed by host Chris Wallace.

“You haven’t given me the math,” Wallace said in one exchange.

“I don’t have the ... It would take me too long to go through all of the math,” Ryan responded.

“But let me say it this way,” he went on. “You can lower tax rates 20 percent across the board by closing loopholes and still have preferences for the middle class for things like charitable deductions, home purchases, for health care. What we’re saying is people are going to get lower tax rates and therefore they will not send as much money to Washington.”

Wallace played a clip of President Barack Obama mocking the Romney campaign’s lack of details on the loopholes while on the campaign trail. “No matter how many times they tell you they’re gonna start talking specifics really soon, they don’t do it,” Obama said. “And the reason is because the math doesn’t work.”

[closg00]

The new Obama 47% ads are devastating, one of the best political ads I have ever seen.

[Nivek]

Agreed on that ad, closg. Great ad.

Reading that article WizPride posted, I think I might see what Romney/Ryan are saying. Romney/Ryan aren't talking about lowering taxes, they're talking about lowering tax rates.

Maybe?

[montestewart]

Agreed on that ad, closg. Great ad.

Reading that article WizPride posted, I think I might see what Romney/Ryan are saying. Romney/Ryan aren't talking about lowering taxes, they're talking about lowering tax rates.

Maybe?

Yes, apparently the promise is a lowered tax rate balanced by an elimination of loopholes, thus a fairer system with no reduction in revenue, or something like that. Charitable and homeowners deductions and capital gains rates are among things that purportedly won't be touched, so it's unclear to me which loopholes they're going after, since a huge swath of business deductions presumably go to businesses that are large campaign donors. Also unclear how an elimination of loopholes is not an increase in taxes. Just to clarify, there's a whole lot that's pretty unclear.

[Zonkerbl]

Gosh diggity dog darnit, closing those tax loopholes are PRECISELY the kind of "tax increases" the gosh diggity darn tea baggers rejected during the debt ceiling debacle! Double dealing two faced razzity FRAZZA FRAZZA!

[hands11]

There was never all a chance the Rs would win the white house this year give the state of that party.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/government/2 ... ate-races/

Now its just a matter of how long are Obama's coat tails.

Once we get past this election, Obama is going to to a ton of taking the debate directly to the American people. He actually started doing this when the debt ceiling was an issue.

President need to do this. Go to the people and then get the people to pressure congress.

[hands11]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... oters.html

Really ?

This party really doesn't deserve to exist anymore. Time for honest moral Rs to turn away from this party like it has turned away from them and our country.

They have been fueling ignorance to to long and it is destroying out country.

[closg00]

On style-points Romney was the clear winner in the debate, not even close. Obama isn't a good debater.

[hands11]

On style-points Romney was the clear winner in the debate, not even close. Obama isn't a good debater.

He did well.

Debates are obviously a strength of his.

I think objectively, the challenger has the advantage in the first debate. They can be more attacking. A president needs to look more ... Presidential.

But that is no excuse. Obama could have done better.

All that said, it doesn't seem like the debates win most elections. Gore won them. So did Kerry. Specially the first one again Bush. Bush still won.

But Obama did give some breath to a dieing Romney campaign.

[closg00]

On style-points Romney was the clear winner in the debate, not even close. Obama isn't a good debater.

He did well.

Debates are obviously a strength of his.

I think objectively, the challenger has the advantage in the first debate. They can be more attacking. A president needs to look more ... Presidential.

But that is no excuse. Obama could have done better.

All that said, it doesn't seem like the debates win most elections. Gore won them. So did Kerry. Specially the first one again Bush. Bush still won.

But Obama did give some breath to a dieing Romney campaign.

I hope you're right. The storyline until the next debates will be all positive coverage of Romney whipping Obama and the bounce he will get from his performance. Obama cannot have another performance like tonight again.

[Benjammin]

Did someone wake up Obama yet?

[hands11]

In Obama's defense. Mitt was lying his ass off.

He is now for regulation of Wall Street ? Really

He totally dumped his economic idea for cutting taxes on the rich and Obama nailed him with it like 3 times. He never addressed how his number would add up and just outright denied his 5 trillion dollar tax cuts for the rich.

He lied this way through Medicaid reform by saying you would get to choose between the government medicaid program and valuers. Letting the private insurers cherry pick the healthiest older people for less will pull that money out of medicaid and leave them with only the worst case to cover. There will be no choice.

I just watched the debate on CNN with their little undecided voter meter. Women consistently rated Obama high. Men the same for Mitt. So that is what people who are so clueless they don't know who to vote for yet think. For what it is worth.

I doubt this debate changes anything for people who have already decided which is most people.