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Nivek · Post #1261 » by **Nivek** » Fri May 10, 2013 5:50 pm

jivelikenice wrote:
Nivek wrote:
jivelikenice wrote:Nivek, your Satoranksy analogy is not equivalent at all to selling the pick for $. The only way it compares is in both situations they did not think a 2nd rounder could contribute, but there's a difference between stashing a player and selling a pick. Why didn't he just sell it this past year then?

Don't know.

I do know, however, that they didn't sell the picks because Abe had told the front office to cut costs or because the team needed an infusion of money.

What other reason would there be to sell a pick accept to make some money or cut costs? Especially considering they did it two years in a row....

Maybe they didn't like any of the players that were available, even as draft-and-stash. Maybe they thought they were being smart by turning picks they didn't want into cash, which could then be used to offset potential costs if they decided to exceed the luxury tax threshold.

Post #1262 » by **nate33** » Fri May 10, 2013 6:28 pm

jivelikenice wrote:Nate, I'm not sure why you think anyone is sugarcoating this trade. I just don't think it was 100% Ernie and might have been more like 66%Ernie/33%Abe. A terrible deal nonetheless so you're getting caught up on an irrelavant point. Also according to your salary breakdown, they did save Songaila's salary in yr 2 and the cost of a draft pick, right? I'm sure there were other ways they could have gotten to the same bottom line w/o sacrificing the pick or through getting a better deal (Ernie's fault), but they still made a deal that on the surface did save them some cash, right? That's $4.8 for Songaila in year 2; the draft pick's salary in year 2; and add to that the money made by selling the pick.

Yes, that money was saved only if you assume they had no intention of resigning Miller or Foye. If that was the thinking, then they're even dumber than I thought. They squandered the pick for a one-year rental of two mediocre players that might be worth a total of 5 extra wins and to save just $4.8M. It would have been much smarter to shop Songaila and the pick to an under the cap team. They probably could have dumped both years of Songaila and gotten back a late pick, while also tanking for a year and putting themselves in better position for the future.

Post #1263 » by **montestewart** » Fri May 10, 2013 6:48 pm

Minnesota turned around and traded Songaila (w/Bobby Brown) for Antonio Daniels' expiring contract, freed of almost all of Songaila's 2nd year cost. There might have been other ways to dump that contract.

pancakes3 · Post #1264 » by **pancakes3** » Sat May 11, 2013 3:32 pm

That Miami/Chicago game last night was a scrapper. I think I woke up with a black eye just from watching.

Post #1265 » by **LyricalRico** » Sat May 11, 2013 7:06 pm

pancakes3 wrote:That Miami/Chicago game last night was a scrapper. I think I woke up with a black eye just from watching.

Yep, and I now have the urge to buy a Nazr Mohammed jersey. Take that, LeBron!

:clap:

FAH1223 · Post #1266 » by **FAH1223** » Sun May 12, 2013 4:11 am

Grizzlies pulled out Gane 3. Thunder were in the game despite horrible shooting due to offensive boards and pretty good D on Randolph and Conley

But Gasol and Allen carried Memphis today along with some big shots by Pondexter, Bayless and Arthur.

The Knicks could be in trouble. I think they will go down 3-1 to the Pacers.

closg00 · Post #1267 » by **closg00** » Sun May 12, 2013 1:13 pm

Gasol & Hibbert, bigs coming-up big. You need centers like these in the playoffs. If Nene could lose 20 pounds and cut-down his body-fat, he could have a come-back season next year.

Post #1268 » by **LyricalRico** » Sun May 12, 2013 10:13 pm

Wow, GSW with a chance to beat the Spurs in regulation and the best they can do is a Jarrett Jack iso?

:nonono:

Post #1269 » by **LyricalRico** » Sun May 12, 2013 11:01 pm

At least they pulled it out in OT, but they still made it harder than it had to be IMO. I think they've got a legit shot to win the series, but they have to stay out of foul trouble and make better decisions.

Higga · Post #1270 » by **Higga** » Sun May 12, 2013 11:29 pm

Really loving the way the Warriors play. I can only hope Wall can be as good as Curry next year(different type of player of course I mean in terms of impact on the team).

hands11 · Post #1271 » by **hands11** » Mon May 13, 2013 12:20 am

LyricalRico wrote:At least they pulled it out in OT, but they still made it harder than it had to be IMO. I think they've got a legit shot to win the series, but they have to stay out of foul trouble and make better decisions.

And that is why you need to get your young stars playoff experience. School of hard knocks.

GS is gaining awesome experience by fighting through this. And against a quality team like SA no less.

Induveca · Post #1272 » by **Induveca** » Mon May 13, 2013 2:16 am

Barnes has looked great since Lee went down....

GhostsOfGil · Post #1273 » by **GhostsOfGil** » Mon May 13, 2013 1:27 pm

Induveca wrote:Barnes has looked great since Lee went down....

Really? I wasn't very impressed with him last night..

Post #1274 » by **LyricalRico** » Mon May 13, 2013 2:18 pm

Higga wrote:Really loving the way the Warriors play.

Really? I thought they looked like idiots for several stretches, like Jack not passing at all in the second quarter and like Barnes taking a few bad shots. Also some of the fouls that got their bigs in foul trouble were completely unnecessary. And I wouldn't expect Jack to hit that many 4th quarter shots on a regular basis.

I think they got lucky yesterday. I stand by my thought that GSW can absolutely beat the Spurs, but they definitely have a lot of growing up to do. (Which is why it's important to get a young team into the playoffs so they can learn these lessons.)

Post #1275 » by **Rafael122** » Mon May 13, 2013 2:28 pm

Keep in mind tho, the series is tied 2-2, but Golden State could easily be up 3-1 right now. They blew Game 1. So I agree, I think the Warriors can beat the Spurs. BTW, does Mark Jackson actually draw up any plays or is he just there to say motivational stuff? I've never seen the dude hold a clip board and draw up a play. Granted there's more to coaching than X's and O's but if you just need a guy to give you a spark, you can pretty much hire anyone, no?

FAH1223 · Post #1276 » by **FAH1223** » Mon May 13, 2013 3:13 pm

Rafael122 wrote:Keep in mind tho, the series is tied 2-2, but Golden State could easily be up 3-1 right now. They blew Game 1. So I agree, I think the Warriors can beat the Spurs. BTW, does Mark Jackson actually draw up any plays or is he just there to say motivational stuff? I've never seen the dude hold a clip board and draw up a play. Granted there's more to coaching than X's and O's but if you just need a guy to give you a spark, you can pretty much hire anyone, no?

he does have good rotations...he knows how to get the matchups he likes out there... beat Denver doing that

but yeah, i've never seen him with a clipboard or drawing something up, kind of weird

FAH1223 · Post #1277 » by **FAH1223** » Mon May 13, 2013 3:19 pm

Let's draft this Gasol in a couple years:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/AdriaGasol/status/333341569212100609[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/AdriaGasol/status/333343813273804800[/tweet]

Induveca · Post #1278 » by **Induveca** » Mon May 13, 2013 3:29 pm

GhostsOfGil wrote:
Induveca wrote:Barnes has looked great since Lee went down....

Really? I wasn't very impressed with him last night..

Shooting was poor but rebounding wise and just confidence was impressive for a rookie in the playoffs vs team with 3 legendary players.

Nivek · Post #1279 » by **Nivek** » Mon May 13, 2013 3:35 pm

Rafael122 wrote:Keep in mind tho, the series is tied 2-2, but Golden State could easily be up 3-1 right now. They blew Game 1. So I agree, I think the Warriors can beat the Spurs. BTW, does Mark Jackson actually draw up any plays or is he just there to say motivational stuff? I've never seen the dude hold a clip board and draw up a play. Granted there's more to coaching than X's and O's but if you just need a guy to give you a spark, you can pretty much hire anyone, no?

The whole notion of coaches drawing up plays is one of those media-driven myths. The X and O work is done in practice and team meetings. When coaches are drawing stuff on the clipboard during a timeout, it's a review of a play they've already worked on, not something new.

verbal8 · Post #1280 » by **verbal8** » Mon May 13, 2013 4:16 pm

Nivek wrote:
Rafael122 wrote:Keep in mind tho, the series is tied 2-2, but Golden State could easily be up 3-1 right now. They blew Game 1. So I agree, I think the Warriors can beat the Spurs. BTW, does Mark Jackson actually draw up any plays or is he just there to say motivational stuff? I've never seen the dude hold a clip board and draw up a play. Granted there's more to coaching than X's and O's but if you just need a guy to give you a spark, you can pretty much hire anyone, no?

The whole notion of coaches drawing up plays is one of those media-driven myths. The X and O work is done in practice and team meetings. When coaches are drawing stuff on the clipboard during a timeout, it's a review of a play they've already worked on, not something new.

So you could say that not having to use a clipboard during a game is a sign of a well-coached team. That the play has been practiced enough(and absorbed) that the players do not have to review it.