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Ruzious wrote:I'd rather just re-sign Webster than trade for Hayward. And I'm not seeing a reason for Utah looking to trade him. If Utah lets both Milsap and Jefferson go for squatilydish, I think their GM loses his job.
Dat2U wrote:My first Wall trade
Wizards trade: G John Wall
Raptors trade: G Kyle Lowry, 2014 1st round pick (unprotected)
To goal is get a high 2014 pick to go along with our own. This would be a good way to do it. Toronto is still in denial about Gay. The may have hope for a Wall/Gay/Valanciunas core but it's likely to blow up in their faces.
At worst your looking at two top 10 picks for '14 to go along with a core of Lowry, Beal & '13 1st rounder.
Dat2U wrote:My first Wall trade
Wizards trade: G John Wall
Raptors trade: G Kyle Lowry, 2014 1st round pick (unprotected)
To goal is get a high 2014 pick to go along with our own. This would be a good way to do it. Toronto is still in denial about Gay. The may have hope for a Wall/Gay/Valanciunas core but it's likely to blow up in their faces.
At worst your looking at two top 10 picks for '14 to go along with a core of Lowry, Beal & '13 1st rounder.
nate33 wrote:Ruzious wrote:I'd rather just re-sign Webster than trade for Hayward. And I'm not seeing a reason for Utah looking to trade him. If Utah lets both Milsap and Jefferson go for squatilydish, I think their GM loses his job.
Agreed. Hayward seems like a decent player, but he's not worth sacrificing anything significant to acquire. He's no better than Webster.
jivelikenice wrote:nate33 wrote:Ruzious wrote:I'd rather just re-sign Webster than trade for Hayward. And I'm not seeing a reason for Utah looking to trade him. If Utah lets both Milsap and Jefferson go for squatilydish, I think their GM loses his job.
Agreed. Hayward seems like a decent player, but he's not worth sacrificing anything significant to acquire. He's no better than Webster.
Would you consider a top 10 protected pick and someone like Sngleton anything significant? I think he's better than Webster. He's a solid shooter but is a better slasher with a more well rounded offensive game IMO. Plus he's 4 yrs younger....
jivelikenice wrote:^If they're looking to tank and take a step back for the purposes of reloading in the '14 draft, then a pick in the teens might be attractive to them. They're willingness to take on one of our recent selections would depend on what their FO scouts thought of them when they came out.
Dat2U wrote:My first Wall trade :-(
Wizards trade: G John Wall
Raptors trade: G Kyle Lowry, 2014 1st round pick (unprotected)
To goal is get a high 2014 pick to go along with our own. This would be a good way to do it. Toronto is still in denial about Gay. The may have hope for a Wall/Gay/Valanciunas core but it's likely to blow up in their faces.
At worst your looking at two top 10 picks for '14 to go along with a core of Lowry, Beal & '13 1st rounder.
Where were you when ... stevemcqueen1 wrote:If Utah is willing to let their two best players walk for nothing, go into the crapper for the hope they'll get some current high school player in next year's draft and he'll turn them into a championship contender, then it's time for ownership to clean house in the FO.
Dat2U wrote:stevemcqueen1 wrote:If Utah is willing to let their two best players walk for nothing, go into the crapper for the hope they'll get some current high school player in next year's draft and he'll turn them into a championship contender, then it's time for ownership to clean house in the FO.
Totally disagree. They have taken honest intake of what they are. A team fighting for a playoff spot so they can be a sacrificial lamb for a top seed in the West. Why would you possibly $100+ million (to resign AlJeff & Millsap) to keep that together? They've got two young talented high picks that they've brought along slowly at those same positions AlJeff & Millsap play. It's time to see what Favors & Kanter can do. So I have no problem with Utah deciding to reboot and focusing on a very strong draft and maintaining cap flexibility to make moves down the line.
FAH1223 wrote:jivelikenice wrote:^If they're looking to tank and take a step back for the purposes of reloading in the '14 draft, then a pick in the teens might be attractive to them. They're willingness to take on one of our recent selections would depend on what their FO scouts thought of them when they came out.
Utah is content letting Millsap and Jefferson walk. I think they prefer to keep one though. Kanter and Favors have to play big minutes next season for them as they need to see what they have in them. Favors will be a RFA after next season as well.
The Jazz never, I mean never, tank to the level of the Wizards. They aren't giving up young players unless they get something valuable back. Just look at their history. The Miller family isn't the Polins or Ted Leonsis. They actually care about being competitive and for them taking a step back would mean just being in the late end of the lottery.
Dat2U wrote:stevemcqueen1 wrote:If Utah is willing to let their two best players walk for nothing, go into the crapper for the hope they'll get some current high school player in next year's draft and he'll turn them into a championship contender, then it's time for ownership to clean house in the FO.
Totally disagree. They have taken honest intake of what they are. A team fighting for a playoff spot so they can be a sacrificial lamb for a top seed in the West. Why would you possibly $100+ million (to resign AlJeff & Millsap) to keep that together? They've got two young talented high picks that they've brought along slowly at those same positions AlJeff & Millsap play. It's time to see what Favors & Kanter can do. So I have no problem with Utah deciding to reboot and focusing on a very strong draft and maintaining cap flexibility to make moves down the line.
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Dat2U wrote:My first Wall trade :-(
Wizards trade: G John Wall
Raptors trade: G Kyle Lowry, 2014 1st round pick (unprotected)
To goal is get a high 2014 pick to go along with our own. This would be a good way to do it. Toronto is still in denial about Gay. The may have hope for a Wall/Gay/Valanciunas core but it's likely to blow up in their faces.
At worst your looking at two top 10 picks for '14 to go along with a core of Lowry, Beal & '13 1st rounder.
WELCOME TO THE DARK SIDE, DAT2U.
Wow, March 12, 2013. Dat posts a John Wall trade.
Certain dates are like milestones. Back in July 2007, I had a bad feeling with Tom Thibodeau backed out of becoming a Wizards assistant. I remembered that date because I had a feeling nothing good would come of that.
If Dat posts a John Wall trade that pretty much seals the deal in my mind. I'm shocked and surprised.
My thoughts are John is what he is, and they can maximize what they get for him right now OR they can try and build around him with a stretch four and a dynamic, go-to swing man. Otto Porter would be a godsend. Ultimately, however, I don't think John's a good leader and I'm not sure about his mind set. I think he's a good enough at-times great player who will probably improve somewhat around Beal, who is a true leader.
For my dime, I see some sharp guys in this draft and I think the Wizards would do VERY WELL with a trade like this one. Lowry and a 2014 first for John is darn near a no brainer IMO.
