Official Trade Thread - Part XXV

[SUPERBALLMAN]

To me, the obvious trade is Porter for Kanter (especially if Utah takes Embiied in the draft). The Jazz are souring on Kanter, and Porter gives them a young wing.

Kanter is the young big to groom, while Ariza, Webster, and Rice are the SFs to role with.

I'm anti many Porter trades but this is something I'd definitely try to go for.

Porter+Seraphin+'16 lotto protected 1st for Kanter. Maybe see if we can add Maynor just to do addition by subtraction and take a bad contract back.

That's a terrible trade. Kanter has looked bad this year—Porter should be enough.

Right, Porter straight up for Kanter works, and should be enough. Maybe stretch it out slightly to Porter, Seraphin, Maynor for Kanter and Lucas.

I'd hate to give up Porter this early, I still have high hopes for him... but this would certainly be worth considering.

[nuposse04]

Kanter has at least shown signs of being a promising young big in his first two season. Bigs always have more value then wing players. I like Porter a ton but he hasn't really produced anything yet, so it is a bit of a stretch to say Porter alone has equal value to Kanter. That wreaks of some homer ish. I might be over-valueing Kanter but Porter certainly alone would be difficult to acquire him with.

[verbal8]

Kanter has at least shown signs of being a promising young big in his first two season. Bigs always have more value then wing players. I like Porter a ton but he hasn't really produced anything yet, so it is a bit of a stretch to say Porter alone has equal value to Kanter. That wreaks of some homer ish. I might be over-valueing Kanter but Porter certainly alone would be difficult to acquire him with.

The thing is that Porter has 2 more years on his rookie deal than Kanter does. That might be a big selling point for Utah if they aren't sold on Kanter/Favors being their bigs of the future. Porter may also be insurance if Hayward gets an offer the Jazz don't want to match.

[kirubel94]

How about this, Alex Len for Otto. Len hasn't played much due to Injuries and the emergence of Miles Plumlee.

[Ruzious]

Kanter has at least shown signs of being a promising young big in his first two season. Bigs always have more value then wing players. I like Porter a ton but he hasn't really produced anything yet, so it is a bit of a stretch to say Porter alone has equal value to Kanter. That wreaks of some homer ish. I might be over-valueing Kanter but Porter certainly alone would be difficult to acquire him with.

The thing is that Porter has 2 more years on his rookie deal than Kanter does. That might be a big selling point for Utah if they aren't sold on Kanter/Favors being their bigs of the future. Porter may also be insurance if Hayward gets an offer the Jazz don't want to match.

The 2 year difference is definitely a selling point for Utah. Also, they've apparently been starting Hayward at shooting guard, so they could play Porter and Hayward together if they do re-sign Hayward. And starting guys like Jefferson and Williams at the forwards - they need to improve there. So this Kanter for Porter idea makes a lot of sense. Last season, a healthy Kanter averaged 18.8/11.3 per 40 with a 58% TS%. This season - the injury has put him on the outs on a bad team, so his trade value has plummeted, but his ability is presumably still there. Good call. I think it was mhd who was pushing for this a while back.

[nate33]

How about this, Alex Len for Otto. Len hasn't played much due to Injuries and the emergence of Miles Plumlee.

Gotta be careful with big man with foot injuries. That said, I do like the idea of trading Otto for a big man on a rookie deal. Ideally, it would be somebody in this draft class or the next. The long term goal is to have a guy develop so that he's starting caliber in 2016, but still on a cheap rookie deal. Then set up our cap situation so that we have max cap room in 2016 to go along with Wall, Beal and Good Young Big.

Porter for Noel would be ideal. Or Porter for a high potential big man in this draft class (McGary? Vonleh?). I still can't believe we didn't draft Noel in the first place. He'd be great alongside Nene or Gortat.

[mhd]

How about this, Alex Len for Otto. Len hasn't played much due to Injuries and the emergence of Miles Plumlee.

Gotta be careful with big man with foot injuries. That said, I do like the idea of trading Otto for a big man on a rookie deal. Ideally, it would be somebody in this draft class or the next. The long term goal is to have a guy develop so that he's starting caliber in 2016, but still on a cheap rookie deal. Then set up our cap situation so that we have max cap room in 2016 to go along with Wall, Beal and Good Young Big.

Porter for Noel would be ideal. Or Porter for a high potential big man in this draft class (McGary? Vonleh?). I still can't believe we didn't draft Noel in the first place. He'd be great alongside Nene or Gortat.

I doubt Phoenix does it, but what about Plumlee and our pick back for Porter+Seraphin?

[fishercob]

How about this, Alex Len for Otto. Len hasn't played much due to Injuries and the emergence of Miles Plumlee.

Gotta be careful with big man with foot injuries. That said, I do like the idea of trading Otto for a big man on a rookie deal. Ideally, it would be somebody in this draft class or the next. The long term goal is to have a guy develop so that he's starting caliber in 2016, but still on a cheap rookie deal. Then set up our cap situation so that we have max cap room in 2016 to go along with Wall, Beal and Good Young Big.

Porter for Noel would be ideal. Or Porter for a high potential big man in this draft class (McGary? Vonleh?). I still can't believe we didn't draft Noel in the first place. He'd be great alongside Nene or Gortat.

I can believe it. A weightless big with little offensive skill who relies on athleticism to affect the game sustained a major knee injury (and he another major leg injury in high school, right?). So to reach his potential, Noel needs to develop some offensive skill. He needs to get strong enough to battle in the post in the NBA (because he's sure as hell not going to be guarded away from the hoop). But in developing that strength, he has to avoid putting on too much weight to put a stress on his frame AND maintain or improve his athleticism so he can rebound and contest shots against NBA athletes.

Noel seems like a super-risky prospect to me. As time passes, I expect to be more and more comfortable with Porter as our choice.

[nuposse04]

Kanter has at least shown signs of being a promising young big in his first two season. Bigs always have more value then wing players. I like Porter a ton but he hasn't really produced anything yet, so it is a bit of a stretch to say Porter alone has equal value to Kanter. That wreaks of some homer ish. I might be over-valueing Kanter but Porter certainly alone would be difficult to acquire him with.

The thing is that Porter has 2 more years on his rookie deal than Kanter does. That might be a big selling point for Utah if they aren't sold on Kanter/Favors being their bigs of the future. Porter may also be insurance if Hayward gets an offer the Jazz don't want to match.

The 2 year difference is definitely a selling point for Utah. Also, they've apparently been starting Hayward at shooting guard, so they could play Porter and Hayward together if they do re-sign Hayward. And starting guys like Jefferson and Williams at the forwards - they need to improve there. So this Kanter for Porter idea makes a lot of sense. Last season, a healthy Kanter averaged 18.8/11.3 per 40 with a 58% TS%. This season - the injury has put him on the outs on a bad team, so his trade value has plummeted, but his ability is presumably still there. Good call. I think it was mhd who was pushing for this a while back.

There are quite a bit of Jazz fans believe part of his regression is due to being put into bad positions. Part of his benching is apparently due to bad defense. Admittingly, I haven't watched many Jazz games this season so I can't comment on his defense. I do wonder if they're playing him at the 4, where he may not be agile enough for. He seems plenty strong and long enough to me to be a 5 in todays NBA. That would make Gortat into a considerable trade asset.

[Ruzious]

How about this, Alex Len for Otto. Len hasn't played much due to Injuries and the emergence of Miles Plumlee.

Gotta be careful with big man with foot injuries. That said, I do like the idea of trading Otto for a big man on a rookie deal. Ideally, it would be somebody in this draft class or the next. The long term goal is to have a guy develop so that he's starting caliber in 2016, but still on a cheap rookie deal. Then set up our cap situation so that we have max cap room in 2016 to go along with Wall, Beal and Good Young Big.

Porter for Noel would be ideal. Or Porter for a high potential big man in this draft class (McGary? Vonleh?). I still can't believe we didn't draft Noel in the first place. He'd be great alongside Nene or Gortat.

I can believe it. A weightless big with little offensive skill who relies on athleticism to affect the game sustained a major knee injury (and he another major leg injury in high school, right?). So to reach his potential, Noel needs to develop some offensive skill. He needs to get strong enough to battle in the post in the NBA (because he's sure as hell not going to be guarded away from the hoop). But in developing that strength, he has to avoid putting on too much weight to put a stress on his frame AND maintain or improve his athleticism so he can rebound and contest shots against NBA athletes.

Noel seems like a super-risky prospect to me. As time passes, I expect to be more and more comfortable with Porter as our choice.

So because Porter is not as athletic, he has a brighter future? Last I checked, he's not a contestant for Mr. Universe himself. And based on production, Noel as a freshman was equal to Porter as a sophomore.

As time passes... I think every team that passed on Noel will regret it. 19 year olds do tend to gain weight and bulk and strength... as time passes. Even 20 year old Porter will get bigger... as time does what?

[mhd]

Gotta be careful with big man with foot injuries. That said, I do like the idea of trading Otto for a big man on a rookie deal. Ideally, it would be somebody in this draft class or the next. The long term goal is to have a guy develop so that he's starting caliber in 2016, but still on a cheap rookie deal. Then set up our cap situation so that we have max cap room in 2016 to go along with Wall, Beal and Good Young Big.

Porter for Noel would be ideal. Or Porter for a high potential big man in this draft class (McGary? Vonleh?). I still can't believe we didn't draft Noel in the first place. He'd be great alongside Nene or Gortat.

I can believe it. A weightless big with little offensive skill who relies on athleticism to affect the game sustained a major knee injury (and he another major leg injury in high school, right?). So to reach his potential, Noel needs to develop some offensive skill. He needs to get strong enough to battle in the post in the NBA (because he's sure as hell not going to be guarded away from the hoop). But in developing that strength, he has to avoid putting on too much weight to put a stress on his frame AND maintain or improve his athleticism so he can rebound and contest shots against NBA athletes.

Noel seems like a super-risky prospect to me. As time passes, I expect to be more and more comfortable with Porter as our choice.

So because Porter is not as athletic, he has a brighter future? Last I checked, he's not a contestant for Mr. Universe himself. And based on production, Noel as a freshman was equal to Porter as a sophomore.

As time passes... I think every team that passed on Noel will regret it. 19 year olds do tend to gain weight and bulk and strength... as time passes. Even 20 year old Porter will get bigger... as time does what?

Well, the one guy EVERYONE is regretting not taking is Giannis. Considering his age, he'll likely be the best player in this draft.

[Wizardspride]

How about this, Alex Len for Otto. Len hasn't played much due to Injuries and the emergence of Miles Plumlee.

Considering I wanted to select Len to begin with, you know I'm on board.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

How about this, Alex Len for Otto. Len hasn't played much due to Injuries and the emergence of Miles Plumlee.

Gotta be careful with big man with foot injuries. That said, I do like the idea of trading Otto for a big man on a rookie deal. Ideally, it would be somebody in this draft class or the next. The long term goal is to have a guy develop so that he's starting caliber in 2016, but still on a cheap rookie deal. Then set up our cap situation so that we have max cap room in 2016 to go along with Wall, Beal and Good Young Big.

Porter for Noel would be ideal. Or Porter for a high potential big man in this draft class (McGary? Vonleh?). I still can't believe we didn't draft Noel in the first place. He'd be great alongside Nene or Gortat.

I do wonder how this team would look with a rotation of Vucevic and Steven Adams if they had been our draft picks in place of Vesely and Porter. Plus if we had them in place, we'd still have our 2014 pick.

I'm still optimistic about Porter. It's impossible to make any kind of judgement on him yet. Other players, like Gortat and Beal, say he can play and he's gonna be good, so that is a very good sign to me. He's jumping into the NBA with essentially no training camp or preseason, in addition to not being at peak level physically after months of relative inactivity waiting for his hip flexor to heal. IMO we really wont' have a clue about what we potentially have in Otto until around Feb, and he gets a chance to get up to speed and find some level of comfort on this team.

The best scenario still is Porter impresses to the point that we can deal Ariza before the deadline to a contending team to bring back a young player that's not a major contributor stuck in a rotation log jam, similar to Porter's situation in fact.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

How about this, Alex Len for Otto. Len hasn't played much due to Injuries and the emergence of Miles Plumlee.

Given how flippin' good Ariza's been this year, I 'd do it in a heartbeat, then extend Trevor.

I agree with Nate about the foot injury risks, but I'd swing for the fences here. Len could end up as an All Star center.

[GeeWiz]

Noel for Porter. I'm in. Make it happen Ernie!


Sent from my iPhone using RealGM Forums

[LyricalRico]

what about Plumlee and our pick back for Porter+Seraphin?

Somewhat interesting, but I'd expect both Plumlee and the pick to be backup players. I'd prefer to get a starter in return for Porter. But, based on what Sacto got for TRob last year, that may not be possible.

[payitforward]

Trading Porter for Noel or for Len would be tantamount to saying "I chose the wrong guy," since they both went after Otto in the draft a few months ago, and none of the three has played (Porter just the littlest bit...). How could a GM make that trade and not expect to be fired for the first error?

In fact, trading Porter at all amounts to the same thing -- the pick was worth more than Porter, since it would have given the other GM the opportunity to make his own choice. Unless you think there's someone out there who is just dying to have Otto Porter now -- i.e. based on his few minutes of PT.

I wish I saw -- or could think of -- some good trades that seemed actually possible. But we have seven guys who are worth absolutely nothing in a trade (Vesely, Singleton, Harrington, Maynor, Rice, Temple & Seraphin), 5 guys who obviously we aren't going to trade (Wall, Beal, Gortat and Webster -- along w/ Porter). Nene is signed long-term for more than he's worth, so he's a long shot to bring anything to our advantage.

That leaves Booker and Ariza. Not much to work with. Certainly, Ariza might turn out to be so valuable to some team on the edge of contending for a title that at the TD they'd give more for him than he's worth. I suppose. But which team is that? And what would be worth more than the cap space we're anyway going to have when he expires -- it'd have to be young talent.

Could you imagine Morey letting go of Asik, Jones and Greg Smith for Ariza and Seraphin? That would be a great trade for us (leaving aside the cap consequences of Asik's salary for the moment). But Jones has too much potential; Morey wouldn't do it -- and anyway who plays the 4 for him once Jones is gone?

[Ruzious]

I can believe it. A weightless big with little offensive skill who relies on athleticism to affect the game sustained a major knee injury (and he another major leg injury in high school, right?). So to reach his potential, Noel needs to develop some offensive skill. He needs to get strong enough to battle in the post in the NBA (because he's sure as hell not going to be guarded away from the hoop). But in developing that strength, he has to avoid putting on too much weight to put a stress on his frame AND maintain or improve his athleticism so he can rebound and contest shots against NBA athletes.

Noel seems like a super-risky prospect to me. As time passes, I expect to be more and more comfortable with Porter as our choice.

So because Porter is not as athletic, he has a brighter future? Last I checked, he's not a contestant for Mr. Universe himself. And based on production, Noel as a freshman was equal to Porter as a sophomore.

As time passes... I think every team that passed on Noel will regret it. 19 year olds do tend to gain weight and bulk and strength... as time passes. Even 20 year old Porter will get bigger... as time does what?

Well, the one guy EVERYONE is regretting not taking is Giannis. Considering his age, he'll likely be the best player in this draft.

If/when he grows to 7 feet, I'm salivating thinking of the length of that Milwaukee frontcourt with Hansen and Sanders. Can't wait for Sanders to finally play. It's going to be hard to keep the worst record in the NBA.

[GeeWiz]

Otto for Len, Noel, Kanter, any of those guys. Again, I'd target Len or Noel with their rookie deals, but in this draft class, we should have swung for the fences with Noel or Len. I mean, the Suns or 6ers would have to consider it with Plumlee emerging and Evan Turner leaving, opening up things for Embiid possibly. Or do they put Noel at the 4? Either way, I'd do any of these trades, not any of that Illyasova crap.

[mhd]

Otto for Len, Noel, Kanter, any of those guys. Again, I'd target Len or Noel with their rookie deals, but in this draft class, we should have swung for the fences with Noel or Len. I mean, the Suns or 6ers would have to consider it with Plumlee emerging and Evan Turner leaving, opening up things for Embiid possibly. Or do they put Noel at the 4? Either way, I'd do any of these trades, not any of that Illyasova crap.

Why? Philly wasn't doing the trade they made for Otto freaking Porter. Noel was universally the #1 pick before the injury. The Suns have a smart FO. They had Len as their #1 rated prospect.