Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII

[gambitx777]

That is a trade that isn't going to happen. Nicholson and a 2018 first for Lou and the #33 (second rounder) won't be accepted by the Lakers and we are certainly not offering more. We are winning and you don't break up your core.

So, as with 99% percent of the trades that are proposed - this one won't happen.

And yes to DJ Augustin over Lou Williams!

yes DF maybe ive been on edge lately but you know I'm not wrong, I'm not saying the lakers take the deal but that's what Lou is worth and thats what the best off is going to be from us in our situation. I'm a firm believer of you go in with what the player is worth and what you are willing to pay, not what the other team wants in return. If you are willing to overpay a bit fine there are reasons where that is ok to do. We are not in that situation.

[WarriorsLakers]

NO ONE CARES WHAT THE LAKERS WANT!
They are they ones shopping Lou williams, Look it up!
It is a buyers market, no one is calling asking about Lou the Lakers were shopping him, No they don't have to move him and they don't have to take a deal they don't like. But, adversely enough no one has to overpay for a soon to be 31 year old undersized poor defencive chuck shooter, padding the box score on a bad lakers team. He is worth a future protected first. In this market, No one is giving them Kelley, no one is giving them a 2017 first. Unless they dump a contract they don't want. that gets you a better asset than what Lou is worth. That's how this works, You don't just get what you want for two over 30 chuck shooting players (nick and Lou) because you overpaid two guys who can barley get playing time (Dang and that one center dude whos name I can't bother too look up) on your team because they are either too over the hill or a bad player. We can say take Nicholson or leave it because we are buyers in a buyer's market and you are trying to sell a guard to get what you can out of him before he either A starts sucking again B get hurt or C walks away in a year and a half and you get nothing for him at all. So if the lakers don't want what we offer, hang up the phone and call else where, cuz im really getting sick of explaining this to you lakers guys, on our board!

too bad you don't know how the trade works. A trade is something that both teams need to agree upon.

other then crap Alex Kennedy, i again ask you to please post a link.

the notion of lakers need to trade him is false. its also false that they need to trade him to secure a top 3 pick.

Also on a side note, take it easy a little bit.

I'd take it easy if you just gave it a rest already about how the lakers don't want the deal or how valuable Lou williams is, you don't debate the points you just keep saying the same two things. Saying that doesn't count when talking about Alex kennedy is like you saying smoking's bad for you, and me saying give me other evidence other than the 40 years of medical research, you have nothing ok I win. exactly, a trade is something that both teams need to agree on and no team is going to agree with you on how much lou is worth. So again, lets just let it go cuz its getting kind of old man.

is all i have for you. you don't need to get all riled up when i make that point.

Alex Kennedy is a cat fish, he is a bottom feeder so i take it with a grain of salt.

[dckingsfan]

That is a trade that isn't going to happen. Nicholson and a 2018 first for Lou and the #33 (second rounder) won't be accepted by the Lakers and we are certainly not offering more. We are winning and you don't break up your core.

So, as with 99% percent of the trades that are proposed - this one won't happen.
And yes to DJ Augustin over Lou Williams!

yes DF maybe ive been on edge lately but you know I'm not wrong, I'm not saying the lakers take the deal but that's what Lou is worth and thats what the best off is going to be from us in our situation. I'm a firm believer of you go in with what the player is worth and what you are willing to pay, not what the other team wants in return. If you are willing to overpay a bit fine there are reasons where that is ok to do. We are not in that situation.

Violent agreement.

[gambitx777]

Thabo and Mike scott for 2017 second and 2018 second Nicholson and Thornton?
I think that deal could get done. its basically a salary dump Thabo does not do anything tomas can't but tomas and thabo if we can also move burke for something would be real nice, not offence lol but suffocating D off the bench. Scott is meh but it dumps nicholson. and does not make us worse. Another deal would need to happen to get some scoring but i can live with that, if it means less burke LOL.

[AWIZZINGBULLET]

I want you guys feedback on this trade. I think it makes sense, is realistic, and would do for our bench what it needs to do.

First I think we need to stop acting as though Oubre's upside is greater than what Otto Porter brings to this team now. Porter is the league leading three-point shooter, is a good rebounder, good defender, has low turnover numbers, moves well without the ball. He does so much, the right way, it simply makes zero sense to move him from the Wizards' nucleus in favor of upside.

Oubre is a good defender but no one knows if his outside shot will ever develop, I'm not holding my breath in all honesty. Aside from that, can't create his own shot at this point, can't create a play for others, and simply doesn't look very natural on offense. Best way I describe Oubre on offense is a natural rightie trying to develop his left hand in-game. He just doesn't have that smooth game that left-handed players tend to have. We can't bank on him developing and let Porter go.

Now here's my trade. Nothing dynamic but I certainly think it would be beneficial. A move was made for Markieff Morris last season, let's go back to Phoenix one more time and grab T.J. Warren.

Kelly Oubre for T.J. Warren.

Straight up swap of young players still on their rookie contracts.

Oubre's sell at this point would be his athleticism, defense, and overall upside. Defense being something that the Suns need and have been about trying to improve.

Oubre would be that wing defender that the Suns could use, while Warren's smooth midrange shooting would provide the Wiz bench with scoring.


Next the Wizards could trade picks, perhaps this year's 2nd rd pick and next year's 2nd rd pick along with Trey Burke and Marcus Thornton to Sacramento for Darren Collison. Now we have a PG with scoring ability and dishing ability.

Wizards bench becomes:

Darren Collison
Tomas Satoransky (Sheldon McClellan)
T.J. Warren
Jason Smith
Ian Mahinmi

[gambitx777]

I want you guys feedback on this trade. I think it makes sense, is realistic, and would do for our bench what it needs to do.

First I think we need to stop acting as though Oubre's upside is greater than what Otto Porter brings to this team now. Porter is the league leading three-point shooter, is a good rebounder, good defender, has low turnover numbers, moves well without the ball. He does so much, the right way, it simply makes zero sense to move him from the Wizards' nucleus in favor of upside.

Oubre is a good defender but no one knows if his outside shot will ever develop, I'm not holding my breath in all honesty. Aside from that, can't create his own shot at this point, can't create a play for others, and simply doesn't look very natural on offense. Best way I describe Oubre on offense is a natural rightie trying to develop his left hand in-game. He just doesn't have that smooth game that left-handed players tend to have. We can't bank on him developing and let Porter go.

Now here's my trade. Nothing dynamic but I certainly think it would be beneficial. A move was made for Markieff Morris last season, let's go back to Phoenix one more time and grab T.J. Warren.

Kelly Oubre for T.J. Warren.

Straight up swap of young players still on their rookie contracts.

Oubre's sell at this point would be his athleticism, defense, and overall upside. Defense being something that the Suns need and have been about trying to improve.

Oubre would be that wing defender that the Suns could use, while Warren's smooth midrange shooting would provide the Wiz bench with scoring.


Next the Wizards could trade picks, perhaps this year's 2nd rd pick and next year's 2nd rd pick along with Trey Burke and Marcus Thornton to Sacramento for Darren Collison. Now we have a PG with scoring ability and dishing ability.

Wizards bench becomes:

Darren Collison
Tomas Satoransky (Sheldon McClellan)
T.J. Warren
Jason Smith
Ian Mahinmi

1 we have kelley locked in for two more years and Warren is a free agent after next year, # kelly is about as god as warren is now, better defender too. Does not make sense to do that trade and break up team chemistry for lateral swap. I like the collison idea but they will be looking to get more for him and he is probably worth it. but I would make that offer all day.

[AWIZZINGBULLET]

I want you guys feedback on this trade. I think it makes sense, is realistic, and would do for our bench what it needs to do.

First I think we need to stop acting as though Oubre's upside is greater than what Otto Porter brings to this team now. Porter is the league leading three-point shooter, is a good rebounder, good defender, has low turnover numbers, moves well without the ball. He does so much, the right way, it simply makes zero sense to move him from the Wizards' nucleus in favor of upside.

Oubre is a good defender but no one knows if his outside shot will ever develop, I'm not holding my breath in all honesty. Aside from that, can't create his own shot at this point, can't create a play for others, and simply doesn't look very natural on offense. Best way I describe Oubre on offense is a natural rightie trying to develop his left hand in-game. He just doesn't have that smooth game that left-handed players tend to have. We can't bank on him developing and let Porter go.

Now here's my trade. Nothing dynamic but I certainly think it would be beneficial. A move was made for Markieff Morris last season, let's go back to Phoenix one more time and grab T.J. Warren.

Kelly Oubre for T.J. Warren.

Straight up swap of young players still on their rookie contracts.

Oubre's sell at this point would be his athleticism, defense, and overall upside. Defense being something that the Suns need and have been about trying to improve.

Oubre would be that wing defender that the Suns could use, while Warren's smooth midrange shooting would provide the Wiz bench with scoring.


Next the Wizards could trade picks, perhaps this year's 2nd rd pick and next year's 2nd rd pick along with Trey Burke and Marcus Thornton to Sacramento for Darren Collison. Now we have a PG with scoring ability and dishing ability.

Wizards bench becomes:

Darren Collison
Tomas Satoransky (Sheldon McClellan)
T.J. Warren
Jason Smith
Ian Mahinmi

1 we have kelley locked in for two more years and Warren is a free agent after next year, # kelly is about as god as warren is now, better defender too. Does not make sense to do that trade and break up team chemistry for lateral swap. I like the collison idea but they will be looking to get more for him and he is probably worth it. but I would make that offer all day.

Does the league bar team's from swapping players on their rookie deals if they weren't drafted in the same class?

The part about Oubre being as good as Warren simply isn't true. Obviously on defense he has the edge but he cannot provide the offense that Warren would at this point. Warren was a very good shooter in college and it's carried over to the NBA.

Oubre is not Warren's equal on the offensive side of the ball.

[gambitx777]

I want you guys feedback on this trade. I think it makes sense, is realistic, and would do for our bench what it needs to do.

First I think we need to stop acting as though Oubre's upside is greater than what Otto Porter brings to this team now. Porter is the league leading three-point shooter, is a good rebounder, good defender, has low turnover numbers, moves well without the ball. He does so much, the right way, it simply makes zero sense to move him from the Wizards' nucleus in favor of upside.

Oubre is a good defender but no one knows if his outside shot will ever develop, I'm not holding my breath in all honesty. Aside from that, can't create his own shot at this point, can't create a play for others, and simply doesn't look very natural on offense. Best way I describe Oubre on offense is a natural rightie trying to develop his left hand in-game. He just doesn't have that smooth game that left-handed players tend to have. We can't bank on him developing and let Porter go.

Now here's my trade. Nothing dynamic but I certainly think it would be beneficial. A move was made for Markieff Morris last season, let's go back to Phoenix one more time and grab T.J. Warren.

Kelly Oubre for T.J. Warren.

Straight up swap of young players still on their rookie contracts.

Oubre's sell at this point would be his athleticism, defense, and overall upside. Defense being something that the Suns need and have been about trying to improve.

Oubre would be that wing defender that the Suns could use, while Warren's smooth midrange shooting would provide the Wiz bench with scoring.


Next the Wizards could trade picks, perhaps this year's 2nd rd pick and next year's 2nd rd pick along with Trey Burke and Marcus Thornton to Sacramento for Darren Collison. Now we have a PG with scoring ability and dishing ability.

Wizards bench becomes:

Darren Collison
Tomas Satoransky (Sheldon McClellan)
T.J. Warren
Jason Smith
Ian Mahinmi

1 we have kelley locked in for two more years and Warren is a free agent after next year, # kelly is about as god as warren is now, better defender too. Does not make sense to do that trade and break up team chemistry for lateral swap. I like the collison idea but they will be looking to get more for him and he is probably worth it. but I would make that offer all day.

Does the league bar team's from swapping players on their rookie deals if they weren't drafted in the same class?

The part about Oubre being as good as Warren simply isn't true. Obviously on defense he has the edge but he cannot provide the offense that Warren would at this point. Warren was a very good shooter in college and it's carried over to the NBA.

Oubre is not Warren's equal on the offensive side of the ball.

Tj is playing more minutes so he looks like he is scoring more and he is shooting a better FG% by a couple percent but his #pt is actually lower than kelleys. Weather he is better or not I would rather not do the swap because Kelley is A younger and B on his rookie deal for longer, and we can't afford to waste that cheap production.

[gambitx777]

I wonder if the bulls would take a 2017 second and a 2018 protected first, with Mahinmi and burke for Rondo and Mirotic. ? The could really use another center and the want to get something out of rondo and Mirotic probably the best offer they get.

[stevemcqueen1]

The part about Oubre being as good as Warren simply isn't true. Obviously on defense he has the edge but he cannot provide the offense that Warren would at this point. Warren was a very good shooter in college and it's carried over to the NBA.

Oubre is not Warren's equal on the offensive side of the ball.

Would Houston trade Trevor Ariza for Jeff Green straight up? That's essentially what you're proposing.

[NatP4]

The part about Oubre being as good as Warren simply isn't true. Obviously on defense he has the edge but he cannot provide the offense that Warren would at this point. Warren was a very good shooter in college and it's carried over to the NBA.

Oubre is not Warren's equal on the offensive side of the ball.

Would Houston trade Trevor Ariza for Jeff Green straight up? That's essentially what you're proposing.

Just think about season 2 of Otto Porter, couldn't crack the rotation, and Oubre is the raw high ceiling guy. We can't draw any conclusions about him until atleast next season. He's going to be a monster, I've never been so sure about a player since Paul George.

Tj warren lol

[AWIZZINGBULLET]

1 we have kelley locked in for two more years and Warren is a free agent after next year, # kelly is about as god as warren is now, better defender too. Does not make sense to do that trade and break up team chemistry for lateral swap. I like the collison idea but they will be looking to get more for him and he is probably worth it. but I would make that offer all day.

Does the league bar team's from swapping players on their rookie deals if they weren't drafted in the same class?

The part about Oubre being as good as Warren simply isn't true. Obviously on defense he has the edge but he cannot provide the offense that Warren would at this point. Warren was a very good shooter in college and it's carried over to the NBA.

Oubre is not Warren's equal on the offensive side of the ball.

Tj is playing more minutes so he looks like he is scoring more and he is shooting a better FG% by a couple percent but his #pt is actually lower than kelleys. Weather he is better or not I would rather not do the swap because Kelley is A younger and B on his rookie deal for longer, and we can't afford to waste that cheap production.

TJ Warren is scoring more and is the better shooter of the two in actuality. 46% vs. 42% is a big difference in terms of efficiency. That's not shooting better by a "couple percent".

Oubre's intensity is the only thing that would make it difficult for me to see the Wizards part from him.

[AWIZZINGBULLET]

The part about Oubre being as good as Warren simply isn't true. Obviously on defense he has the edge but he cannot provide the offense that Warren would at this point. Warren was a very good shooter in college and it's carried over to the NBA.

Oubre is not Warren's equal on the offensive side of the ball.

Would Houston trade Trevor Ariza for Jeff Green straight up? That's essentially what you're proposing.

I don't get the example at all or what you're suggesting.

[NatP4]

Tj warren is shooting like 20% from 3 and is ranked 80th in DRPM among small forwards.

And he's 23 years old.

It's like trading baby Paul George for Evan Turner.

[NatP4]

I'm not coming off of the Paul George comparison yet

[AWIZZINGBULLET]

The part about Oubre being as good as Warren simply isn't true. Obviously on defense he has the edge but he cannot provide the offense that Warren would at this point. Warren was a very good shooter in college and it's carried over to the NBA.

Oubre is not Warren's equal on the offensive side of the ball.

Would Houston trade Trevor Ariza for Jeff Green straight up? That's essentially what you're proposing.

Just think about season 2 of Otto Porter, couldn't crack the rotation, and Oubre is the raw high ceiling guy. We can't draw any conclusions about him until atleast next season. He's going to be a monster, I've never been so sure about a player since Paul George.

Tj warren lol

You're laughing out loud about me proposing a trade for T.J. Warren? I'm laughing out loud at you trying to draw comparisons to Oubre now and Porter in year two. It was evident that Porter's game at Georgetown would translate to the NBA. He could shoot in college and he can shoot now. He averaged more than 9 points in college when he came out, he's averaging more than 9 points now. I'm laughing out loud at you seemingly missing the fact that Porter couldn't crack the rotation because the Wizards had an old-fashioned coach in Wittman that undervalued what young players had to offer and placed them in his doghouse if they weren't named John or Bradley and erred slightly in consecutive games. Not to mention a Hall of Famer in Paul Pierce, favored by Wittman, playing ahead of him.


Okay, you've never been so sure about a player since Paul George, so tell me, what does Oubre, the finished product look like on offense.

He will earn his keep on offense primarily as a what type of player?

[AWIZZINGBULLET]

Tj warren is shooting like 20% from 3 and is ranked 80th in DRPM among small forwards.

And he's 23 years old.

It's like trading baby Paul George for Evan Turner.

I never made comparisons between Warren and Kawhi Leonard, just as I won't make comparisons between Oubre and Paul George.


For a career, of Warren's FGA's, 14% of them have been 3 pointers. If he can't shoot them now at least he's a player that recognizes it and doesn't continue to go against his strengths. Many veteran players cannot say that.

Warren is the better shooter of the two period.

Time and time again players have raised their 3pt% playing with John Wall. No reason to believe that Warren couldn't do the same.

[Dark Faze]

would not do oubre for warren

[deneem4]

I'll trade a 1st for lou only if we can get nick young too...

What? I'd trade a first to make sure Nick Young was never a Wizard again.

WTF is going on in this thread? Interest in Nick Young and Jordan Crawford? What's next, dig Blatche back up out of China? Trade a future first for JaVale McGee?

I can't be the only one who remembers how utterly awful it was to watch those clowns play basketball. It was only a few years ago.

I can't wait until this deadline is over.

Nick young can shoot...and he's most likely coming off the books next year...if we play Cleveland we need another shooter because it's going to be a shootout for 7 games...

[stevemcqueen1]

I'll trade a 1st for lou only if we can get nick young too...

What? I'd trade a first to make sure Nick Young was never a Wizard again.

WTF is going on in this thread? Interest in Nick Young and Jordan Crawford? What's next, dig Blatche back up out of China? Trade a future first for JaVale McGee?

I can't be the only one who remembers how utterly awful it was to watch those clowns play basketball. It was only a few years ago.

I can't wait until this deadline is over.

Nick young can shoot...and he's most likely coming off the books next year...if we play Cleveland we need another shooter because it's going to be a shootout for 7 games...

Nick Young and Jordan Crawford were the kings of catching the ball when they were open and dribbling into the more difficult shot. They are both clowns and I have no interest in seeing them ever return.