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Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII

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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#1261 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Fri Feb 7, 2020 2:51 am

payitforward wrote:I just realized something... we actually got younger today. A fair amount younger. & better too. A bit better, no doubt.



Addition by subtraction (IT)

Napier is major upgrade over IT, may even be upgrade on Ish...

Robinson is 6 yrs younger than McRae.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#1262 » by WallToWall » Fri Feb 7, 2020 4:09 am

Overall, I think our GM did a reasonably good job in making an upgrade, given what he had to "deal" with.

IT has plenty of issues, namely lack of D, that actually stood out on a team that doesnt play that much D to begin with. So, getting him off the team was addition by subtraction. Winning move for our GM.
Loosing McRae stings just a little bit, as he had a few good moments for our team. But when you contrast that with the promise of what Napier brings, and what Napier has done this and last year, it makes loosing McRae quite fine. Winning move for our GM.
I look at our gaining Robinson, for the cost of Sanon, as a positive. I know it didnt happen that way, but thats the way I am looking at it. We have no idea if, what, or when Sanon would give the team. Now, we have a more known quantity to replace Sanon. Mild win for our GM.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#1265 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Fri Feb 7, 2020 7:02 am

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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#1266 » by gambitx777 » Fri Feb 7, 2020 7:22 am

And to add to the McRae point. We have Mathews , TBJ , and Bonga. He was the most expendable asset on the team. IT was a burden and we needed a fix.we used him to fix that and we still have plenty of options then we sent IT away and used Sanon to get another option ! It was a great move I look for us to cut Payton if a good vet we like hits the market .
WallToWall wrote:Overall, I think our GM did a reasonably good job in making an upgrade, given what he had to "deal" with.

IT has plenty of issues, namely lack of D, that actually stood out on a team that doesnt play that much D to begin with. So, getting him off the team was addition by subtraction. Winning move for our GM.
Loosing McRae stings just a little bit, as he had a few good moments for our team. But when you contrast that with the promise of what Napier brings, and what Napier has done this and last year, it makes loosing McRae quite fine. Winning move for our GM.
I look at our gaining Robinson, for the cost of Sanon, as a positive. I know it didnt happen that way, but thats the way I am looking at it. We have no idea if, what, or when Sanon would give the team. Now, we have a more known quantity to replace Sanon. Mild win for our GM.


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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVII 

Post#1267 » by jangles86 » Fri Feb 7, 2020 7:59 am

So I see the Ben Simmons argument has simmered down after the trade deadline. Which is probably right as there is never going to be a chance that Ben Simmons and John Wall would be a fit together.
I think I agree with most of what was said about Simmons. I’d just like to add this though... being an Australian myself and also being brought up and living 10 mins away from where Ben grew up, there has never been one question mark regarding that kids work ethic. Yes he may very well be the greatest enigma we’ve seen in the NBA in a lifetime. But this kid has worked his butt off to get to the level he is at currently and being 23 years old and about to be first team defence and all star is say the trajectory is going along very nice for this young superstar.

In regard to the trade deadline. I’m very happy to see we’ve held on to Bertans and looking to fit him next to Wall, Beal And Hachi next season along with hopefully a top 5 draft pick.
Not to many ways to really move the needle for this team currently apart from retaining good players.
Keeping fingers crossed with Thomas Bryants development for next season. Hoping to see Troy Brown Jr add more to his game as the season progresses.

All in all there’s a very small glimmer for this team with its young talent and the very slight possibility of Wall returning close to the player he was and a possible very high lottery pick.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#1268 » by nate33 » Fri Feb 7, 2020 2:26 pm

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I'd say the Wizards handled it perfectly. They were loyal to IT and gave him every opportunity, which reflects well on management and will help to recruit free agents in the future. Meanwhile, they tanked.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVII 

Post#1269 » by nate33 » Fri Feb 7, 2020 2:36 pm

jangles86 wrote:So I see the Ben Simmons argument has simmered down after the trade deadline. Which is probably right as there is never going to be a chance that Ben Simmons and John Wall would be a fit together.

The Simmons argument was always about the offseason, not the deadline. Beal could not be traded at the deadline, and Simmons was effectively untradeable until the offseason because of his poison pill provision.

I still hope to see a Beal for Simmons trade.

(I want to reiterate that I'm not pushing for Beal to be traded at all. I've pretty much hated every Beal trade proposal except this one. Simmons is the lone example of a trade with us getting back a star with legit superstar potential, and it has to be considered.)
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#1270 » by Ruzious » Fri Feb 7, 2020 2:48 pm

If it was me, I would have just cut It and signed Grant, but I'm relieved they finally broke ties with IT. Not sure why they felt it was necessary to trade IT for basically nothing - rather than just cut him, but at least it's over. And I guess they have no faith in Grant - which I think is a mistake, but maybe they know something I don't.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#1271 » by payitforward » Fri Feb 7, 2020 2:51 pm

I don't think we're giving Tommy near enough credit for his work yesterday.

I'm with Chase Hughes in thinking that the big thing he did was demonstrate that he's going to stick to the forward-facing plan. He is not to trade the future for some potential short-term benefit.

With that plan in place, the paths to get better yesterday were narrow. But, in fact, we did. & the only forward-facing asset we gave up was Issuf Sanon.

1. Jerome Robinson is a question mark, but so is Sanon. & IT was a negative value. This was an outstanding trade for us!

2. Shabazz Napier is a better player than Jordan McRae, & (w/ IT gone) he also fits an extremely significant need. Like McRae he is expiring, but he'll be cheap this off-season, & I am guessing Tommy will sign him. Napier is also good enough that we can trade Ish Smith in the off-season -- so there may be an additional benefit emerging from yesterday's moves.

An excellent day's work for Tommy Sheppard & the Washington Wizards.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#1272 » by Ruzious » Fri Feb 7, 2020 3:14 pm

So we're basically applauding Tommy for not making terrible moves. Ok, I guess we did need to get over that hump.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#1273 » by WallToWall » Fri Feb 7, 2020 3:42 pm

Ruzious wrote:So we're basically applauding Tommy for not making terrible moves. Ok, I guess we did need to get over that hump.
I think there are better than "not making terrible moves". For Ernie, late in his GM career, that would have been the high bar we were conditioned to expect. These moves Tommy made are actually positive. He unloaded IT and got something better in return. He unloaded McRae and got something marginally better in trade. We got players who could improve (they are still relatively young) in time, and if they do, then this deal could be looked at being even better than its face value today.

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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#1274 » by Ruzious » Fri Feb 7, 2020 3:52 pm

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Ruzious wrote:So we're basically applauding Tommy for not making terrible moves. Ok, I guess we did need to get over that hump.
I think there are better than "not making terrible moves". For Ernie, late in his GM career, that would have been the high bar we were conditioned to expect. These moves Tommy made are actually positive. He unloaded IT and got something better in return. He unloaded McRae and got something marginally better in trade. We got players who could improve (they are still relatively young) in time, and if they do, then this deal could be looked at being even better than its face value today.

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Do the Wiz have to pay Robinson next season on his rookie contract? I assume they do - at 3.7 mil. If yes, it's a bad move. Robinson hasn't begun to show he belongs in the NBA. The Clippers are happy with that trade - getting nothing and saving a lot.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#1275 » by Shoe » Fri Feb 7, 2020 4:13 pm

Jerry West and the Clippers front office took SGA and they must've seen something in Robinson to take him as well. Maybe they traded him to the Wizards because they want to see him succeed and we are far away from impacting their record or playoff hopes.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#1276 » by DCZards » Fri Feb 7, 2020 4:35 pm

Isn’t it fascinating how the Zards now have three players from the first round of the 2018 draft. It’s as if they traded down and got multiple picks…as many here would have liked to see them do.

There’s the 13th pick (Robinson), who TS and the Zards were apparently high on before the draft; there’s the 15th pick (Brown), who none of us had on our radar screen but is really turning out to be a very nice NBA player; and then there’s the 25th pick (Wagner), who 2-3 people on this board wanted the Zards to draft.

And, of course, there’s Bonga, the 39th pick in that same draft.

That’s four potential rotation players from the same draft. (I know, the keyword is "potential".) The Zards recently-beefed up development team, which has done a good job thus far with Brown, Bryant, Wagner and Bonga, has its hands full, especially when you add in Rui, Robinson, Mathews, and a likely lottery pick this year.

At least they are finally following the PIF formula for success...collect young players and coach'em up. :) Got to say it's not only different but also kinda exciting and intriguing.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#1277 » by Shoe » Fri Feb 7, 2020 4:55 pm

DCZards wrote:Isn’t it fascinating how the Zards now have three players from the first round of the 2018 draft. It’s as if they traded down and got multiple picks…as many here would have liked to see them do.

There’s the 13th pick (Robinson), who TS and the Zards were apparently high on before the draft; there’s the 15th pick (Brown), who none of us had on our radar screen but is really turning out to be a very nice NBA player; and then there’s the 25th pick (Wagner), who 2-3 people on this board wanted the Zards to draft.

And, of course, there’s Bonga, the 39th pick in that same draft.

That’s four potential rotation players from the same draft. (I know, the keyword is "potential".) The Zards recently-beefed up development team, which has done a good job thus far with Brown, Bryant, Wagner and Bonga, has its hands full, especially when you add in Rui, Robinson, Mathews, and a likely lottery pick this year.

At least they are finally following the PIF formula for success...collect young players and coach'em up. :) Got to say it's not only different but also kinda exciting and intriguing.


Yep I agree.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#1278 » by nate33 » Fri Feb 7, 2020 4:58 pm

DCZards wrote:Isn’t it fascinating how the Zards now have three players from the first round of the 2018 draft. It’s as if they traded down and got multiple picks…as many here would have liked to see them do.

There’s the 13th pick (Robinson), who TS and the Zards were apparently high on before the draft; there’s the 15th pick (Brown), who none of us had on our radar screen but is really turning out to be a very nice NBA player; and then there’s the 25th pick (Wagner), who 2-3 people on this board wanted the Zards to draft.

And, of course, there’s Bonga, the 39th pick in that same draft.

That’s four potential rotation players from the same draft. (I know, the keyword is "potential".) The Zards recently-beefed up development team, which has done a good job thus far with Brown, Bryant, Wagner and Bonga, has its hands full, especially when you add in Rui, Robinson, Mathews, and a likely lottery pick this year.

At least they are finally following the PIF formula for success...collect young players and coach'em up. :) Got to say it's not only different but also kinda exciting and intriguing.

The only problem is that all of these developmental prospects are taking up roster spots. I wish there was a way to expand the roster a bit so that they could develop the youngsters while we also signing a veteran or two who know how to play. It would be nice if there were about 4 or 5 2-way contract spots, or perhaps a regular roster of 17 guys plus two 2-way guys.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#1279 » by gambitx777 » Fri Feb 7, 2020 5:32 pm

I think that's 17 - 18 + two 2 ways is gonna happen. I mean the back of the team is cheap 1 mill or less contracts anyway and with load management being a think and vets playing longer more guys is going to happen.
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DCZards wrote:Isn’t it fascinating how the Zards now have three players from the first round of the 2018 draft. It’s as if they traded down and got multiple picks…as many here would have liked to see them do.

There’s the 13th pick (Robinson), who TS and the Zards were apparently high on before the draft; there’s the 15th pick (Brown), who none of us had on our radar screen but is really turning out to be a very nice NBA player; and then there’s the 25th pick (Wagner), who 2-3 people on this board wanted the Zards to draft.

And, of course, there’s Bonga, the 39th pick in that same draft.

That’s four potential rotation players from the same draft. (I know, the keyword is "potential".) The Zards recently-beefed up development team, which has done a good job thus far with Brown, Bryant, Wagner and Bonga, has its hands full, especially when you add in Rui, Robinson, Mathews, and a likely lottery pick this year.

At least they are finally following the PIF formula for success...collect young players and coach'em up. :) Got to say it's not only different but also kinda exciting and intriguing.

The only problem is that all of these developmental prospects are taking up roster spots. I wish there was a way to expand the roster a bit so that they could develop the youngsters while we also signing a veteran or two who know how to play. It would be nice if there were about 4 or 5 2-way contract spots, or perhaps a regular roster of 17 guys plus two 2-way guys.


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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII 

Post#1280 » by DCZards » Fri Feb 7, 2020 5:53 pm

I thought this was interesting from Tommy Sheppard's comments on why the Zards didn't trade Bertans. Particularly interesting is what he says about how many 3pt shots to expect in the future. I suspect Jerome Robinson fits in with this vision.

Another reason why Bertans is still in Washington is that he fits perfectly into the direction they want their roster to go. Bertans has emerged as one of the best 3-point shooters in the NBA, this year shooting 42.9% on 8.4 attempts per game from long range.

Sheppard envisions Bertans running the floor with guards John Wall and Bradley Beal with Rui Hachimura carving up the midrange and their centers running to the rim.

"The shooting is the big aspect that is so exciting for us. That just opens up the floor when John Wall comes back," Sheppard said. "Fifty three-point field goal attempts a night will probably be the norm in the next two years or three years. That's where the game is going."

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