Official Trade Thread XV: 12/22/10 - 5/3/11

[Ruzious]

I don't see why we're giving up Booker or the pick, Ruzious. I figure Blatche at $7M a year is worth about as much as Biedrins at $9M a year. Both guys are young, talented and disappointing after showing flashes.

Another problem is that we'd be taking on Biedrins more substantial contract with more 2013 money owed. It hurts any free agency plans. That may not be a dealbreaker, but it's an issue.

No, Blatche isn't worth anywhere near what Biedrins is because Blatche is a joke, quite frankly, and Biedrins had 3 good seasons as a starting center and at least has the excuse of being hampered by injuries. They're the same age, and Blatche has had less than half a good season in the NBA. And I already explained why that trade wouldn't hurt free agency plans.

[spaceman_E]

We have to win some ball games before Howard considers coming here. He's not going to leave a 55-win team in Orlando to join a 25-win team in Washington. The Wizards need to win at least 40 games with their young talent alone before Howard even thinks about joining. The way things look now, I don't see how it's possible.

This won't matter if he is acquired through trade. How many games was Boston winning before they got KG? If Orlando is bounced from the playoffs early this season it seems a decent bet Howard's camp will let out some rumblings in the offseason how he might not re-sign if things don't change. Unless someone like Miami offers up Bosh (I would if I were them), Mcgee, whoever we draft this year, a future 1st + filler is a pretty nice package for Orlando when the alternative is losing him to FA. It would be up to Ted and the gang to sell Howard on an extension but Wall/Howard is a nice start to a contender.

[Kanyewest]

^^ Howard would have to accept to come here. KG didn't want to go to the Celtics until after they acquired Ray Allen.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Lewis and Blatche to Detroit for Rip Hamilton, Ben Wallace, and Charlie Villenuava?

Detroit wants to move Hamilton badly. Lewis' deal expires and lets the get off of two long-term deals they regret. Wizards bring all three veterans as mentors who EG will try and move to playoff contending teams before the deadline unless they wish to stay.

Thoughts?

[mhd]

Heck no CCJ! No way do I want Rip here. That guy is a team cancer who just orchestrated a team wide protest. No matter how much you despise a coach, you don't pull a stunt like that.

Besides, how prickly would Rip be when he finds out he's not starting because Young (and potentially Jordan Crawford) are better.

[mhd]

Hypothethical scenerio assuming the Wiz land the #1 pick: Use is to try and shed Lewis' contract to a team desperate for Kyrie Irving. Cleveland really needs a PG (and Chad Ford said he's thier top target). Say Cleveland gets the 4th pick (they lose out on the top 3 special slots and are slotted to 4),

I'd trade Lewis+#1 for Jamison+Hollins+#4. At 4, we are garunteed one of Williams, Sullinger, or Kanter. Jamison+Hollins expire next year, so this move saves at least 10 million from 2012.

I'd even look to flip Jamison to a team because I don't want him back here. Perhaps a Diaw+filler deal for Jamison could be done.

[Kanyewest]

^^ I wouldn't do it. The Wizards should probably just pick who they want at #1. BTW, I wonder if the Wizards should pick the best player available.

[Dat2U]

^^ I wouldn't do it. The Wizards should probably just pick who they want at #1. BTW, I wonder if the Wizards should pick the best player available.

But the million dollar question is who is the best player available? Right now that very well might be Kyrie Irving. Would you be willing to draft Jared Sullinger at #1? What about Derrick Williams? I know I wouldn't. Heck, as much as I like Perry Jones' physical ability, I'd be scared to death to draft him at #1. This is just a horrible year to have the #1 pick. If we do get it, I wouldn't have a problem leveraging it to improve our situation.

Personally I'd prefer trading it for a young veteran than just using it to dump Rashard Lewis but it's not a terrible idea. I'd feel better about drafting some of these prospects if they weren't going to be a top 3 pick.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Throwing this out there as an offshoot of the Biedrins/Javale trade thoughts, Howzabout

Biedrins for Blatche, Booker, and the Atlanta pick?

Biedrins has been down the last 2 years I think due to injuries, but before then he had 2 straight years with a 19 PER - even though GS doesn't let him be a scorer. Granted, his rebounding rate is probably exaggerated by GS's run and gun style. Still, his per 36 minutes/game averages are 12.1 boards and 11.6 points. And he's still just 24. He's making 9 mil a year for 3 more years, but Blatche was going to be making good money, too, towards the end of his contract. Combined the salaries of Blatche, Booker and the pick, it would effectively be pretty much cap neutral when it matters.

I just wonder if there's some untapped potential in Biedrins - as he's never been considered a fit in GS's system. He's shot near 60% from the field (wish he could foul shots), and he's an athletic strong unselfish 7 footer with a very good attitude. Split the center position between him and Javale, and let Javale also play some PF - both play around 30 minutes a game. And it lets you avoid matching up Javale against the more physical centers.

Ruz, I like your ideas about Biedrins with McGee. I think your deal gives GS too much in return. I would keep Booker and the pick for other purposes.

[Ruzious]

Throwing this out there as an offshoot of the Biedrins/Javale trade thoughts, Howzabout

Biedrins for Blatche, Booker, and the Atlanta pick?

Biedrins has been down the last 2 years I think due to injuries, but before then he had 2 straight years with a 19 PER - even though GS doesn't let him be a scorer. Granted, his rebounding rate is probably exaggerated by GS's run and gun style. Still, his per 36 minutes/game averages are 12.1 boards and 11.6 points. And he's still just 24. He's making 9 mil a year for 3 more years, but Blatche was going to be making good money, too, towards the end of his contract. Combined the salaries of Blatche, Booker and the pick, it would effectively be pretty much cap neutral when it matters.

I just wonder if there's some untapped potential in Biedrins - as he's never been considered a fit in GS's system. He's shot near 60% from the field (wish he could foul shots), and he's an athletic strong unselfish 7 footer with a very good attitude. Split the center position between him and Javale, and let Javale also play some PF - both play around 30 minutes a game. And it lets you avoid matching up Javale against the more physical centers.

Ruz, I like your ideas about Biedrins with McGee. I think your deal gives GS too much in return. I would keep Booker and the pick for other purposes.

That's fine, but nobody's going to take Blatche unless you give them something with value along with him. Like I said before the Wiz drafted him, I don't see how Booker is ever going to be more than a backup - since he has no offensive game and really no position.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Heck no CCJ! No way do I want Rip here. That guy is a team cancer who just orchestrated a team wide protest. No matter how much you despise a coach, you don't pull a stunt like that.

Besides, how prickly would Rip be when he finds out he's not starting because Young (and potentially Jordan Crawford) are better.

Rip has been in the league 12/13 years. When did he become a team cancer?

Rasheed pulled similar stunts and worse before winning a ring with Detroit and almost another with Boston. Artest was almost out of the league before saving the Lakers title repeat last season. Those guys were supposedly team cancers. Boozer sure is fitting in quietly and nicely with darkhorse title-contending Chicago. The Mavericks love DeShawn. Gilbert Arenas, in the worst of struggles, is still a part of helping the Magic contend. Team cancer is relative to circumstances. These guys have been in the league YEARS without incident. Rip is great in the community, too.

Saying Hamilton is a team cancer is the very reason I want Rip. He wants out of Detroit and the team responsible for getting him in the league and sending him to a championship team is the Wizards. No way on earth would Rip not enjoy playing with a pass-first guard like Wall.

mhd, I see a bigger picture of Rip's dissatisfaction. Stuckey, Ben Gordon, Will Bynum, Tracy McGrady, Austin Day, and Tayshaun Prince and Rip. What are their roles? How many basketballs?

Coming to a team with the opportunity to mentor a while and get a Kirk trade is EXACTLY what Hamilton needs.

[no D in Hibachi]

Hypothethical scenerio assuming the Wiz land the #1 pick: Use is to try and shed Lewis' contract to a team desperate for Kyrie Irving. Cleveland really needs a PG (and Chad Ford said he's thier top target). Say Cleveland gets the 4th pick (they lose out on the top 3 special slots and are slotted to 4),

I'd trade Lewis+#1 for Jamison+Hollins+#4. At 4, we are garunteed one of Williams, Sullinger, or Kanter. Jamison+Hollins expire next year, so this move saves at least 10 million from 2012.

I'd even look to flip Jamison to a team because I don't want him back here. Perhaps a Diaw+filler deal for Jamison could be done.

I'd be all over this and expand the trade a bit more...Blatche/Lewis & #1 for Andy Varejao/Jamison/Hollins and #4. Remember, Cleveland was interested in Blatche earlier this year.

Also, I am absolutely and completely dumbfounded that anyone would consider a trade to acquire Richard Hamilton...especially for a rebuilding team. Hamilton hasn't just been a cancer this year it's been going on for 4 seasons when he butted heads with Flip and quit on him too.

[Ruzious]

I'd actually call Tracy McGrady the cancer on that Detroit team - as he's pretty much been that since he came into the NbA. What a shock that he was laughing hysterically when Kuester ejected - and getting his buddies to laugh with him. He's the same guy who demanded a trade from Orlando, because they wanted to build around him and a rookie named Dwight Howard.

What Rip did was awful and unprofessional, but at least he showed a pulse - unlike his teammates. Would I want him, Ben, and Villa on my team? Hell no - not at this stage of their careers. Rip and Ben seem to be pretty much done, and Villa is a classic under-achiever. If Rip and Ben think they have anything left, they wouldn't be happy playing for a rebuilding team.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Ruz, I like your ideas about Biedrins with McGee. I think your deal gives GS too much in return. I would keep Booker and the pick for other purposes.

That's fine, but nobody's going to take Blatche unless you give them something with value along with him. Like I said before the Wiz drafted him, I don't see how Booker is ever going to be more than a backup - since he has no offensive game and really no position.

Booker can certainly expand his offensive game. Nobody foresaw Millsap dropping 40+ points in an NBA game or having the offensive game he has now. I see Booker as a combo PF/SF. EJ as coach would likely use Booker the same way he used Ruffin and Songaila--a small but fast and quick C.

Booker's a great athlete. He can play any frontcourt position off the bench. He's more effective at PF than Blatche, generally.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I'd actually call Tracy McGrady the cancer on that Detroit team - as he's pretty much been that since he came into the NbA. What a shock that he was laughing hysterically when Kuester ejected - and getting his buddies to laugh with him. He's the same guy who demanded a trade from Orlando, because they wanted to build around him and a rookie named Dwight Howard.

What Rip did was awful and unprofessional, but at least he showed a pulse - unlike his teammates. Would I want him, Ben, and Villa on my team? Hell no - not at this stage of their careers. Rip and Ben seem to be pretty much done, and Villa is a classic under-achiever. If Rip and Ben think they have anything left, they wouldn't be happy playing for a rebuilding team.

I agree about McGrady and that Rip is no team cancer.

Rip is three years younger than Ray Allen and far from done. This season he put up something like 20 points in the fourth and overtime to beat the Wizards.

Rip would be playing to restore his image before getting traded to a playoff team.

Charlie V or Yi? No brainer IMO as to which is the better player.

Wallace has one year on his contract.

I think you guys don't see that sometimes the coaches are inept, overbearing, and incompetent. Rip won rings in NCAA ball and in the NBA. Look at his assist rate, 3PT percentage, FT percentage, and how he moves off the ball. He's far from done.

The whole point of my idea is he's a better fit than Lewis and on a cheaper deal. This move allows the Wizards to draft a PF and move Blatche without a log jam. Young is a FA.

[Ruzious]

Ruz, I like your ideas about Biedrins with McGee. I think your deal gives GS too much in return. I would keep Booker and the pick for other purposes.

That's fine, but nobody's going to take Blatche unless you give them something with value along with him. Like I said before the Wiz drafted him, I don't see how Booker is ever going to be more than a backup - since he has no offensive game and really no position.

Booker can certainly expand his offensive game. Nobody foresaw Millsap dropping 40+ points in an NBA game or having the offensive game he has now. I see Booker as a combo PF/SF. EJ as coach would likely use Booker the same way he used Ruffin and Songaila--a small but fast and quick C.

Booker's a great athlete. He can play any frontcourt position off the bench. He's more effective at PF than Blatche, generally.

Millsap has nothing to do with Booker. And Millsap scoring 40+ points in a game doesn't say anything about what Booker might do. Ruffin and Songaila were nothing more than mediocre backups with the Wiz - that's being kind. Actually, I'd give Booker credit for having a little more ability than them. Booker hustles his ass off and has a great attitude, but he clearly doesn't have any SF skills, and he's 6'7 235 - too small for PF. Millsap has the bulk and strength of a PF - and was a ridiculously good rebounder. Same with Blair. Not so with Booker. So what if he's been more effective than Blatche? Is that some kind of standard? Blatche has been awful this season. But really, are you disagreeing with me? I said he's no more than a backup. Do you think he's going to be starting quality?

[go'stags]

Ruz, everything you say regarding Booker makes sense, but I from watching I just can't help but think you will turn out wrong. I think he will put the work in and find a way to get it done.

[Liverbird]

As a closet Piston fan - I'd still want no part of Rip or CV. Rip has really disappointed in Detroit over the past few years and despite the situation with the inept coaching staff, he should show more leadership and maturity in dealing with the issue. Also - if he rejected a trade/buyout from Cleveland, what makes you think he'll want to come here?

On Charlie - If you're frustrated by Yi/Blatche...then CV is exactly NOT the type of player we'd want here, and then there's his contract...

What about a trade with Memphis?

Washington Out - Blatche + ATL 1st

Memphis - OJ Mayo + Darrell Arthur (or another 1 year filler)

If they were willing to give OJ for McRoberts + Indy's pick, perhaps they'd consider this?

[nate33]

Booker hustles his ass off and has a great attitude, but he clearly doesn't have any SF skills, and he's 6'7 235 - too small for PF. Millsap has the bulk and strength of a PF - and was a ridiculously good rebounder.

Booker has no neck so his height understates his actual size. Going by standing reach, Booker is comparable to McRoberts, Turiaf, Millsap, Noah and David Lee. (I find Noah's measurements hard to believe though.)

While those guys aren't exactly oversized for the PF position, I don't really think of them as undersized either. I'm not saying Booker will pan out to be a true starting-caliber PF, but he could.

By the way, Booker has gotten his PER up to 14.0. That's pretty darn good for a rookie. He averages 11.4 points and 8.2 boards per 36 on the season.

Since January 1st, Booker has averaged 11.6 points, 9.2 boards and 1.6 blocks per 36 with a FG% of 60%

[LyricalRico]

^ How do Booker's numbers compare with Big Baby? If he can be a similar player, he'd be a very valuable bench player and spot starter.