Official Trade Thread XXII (2/6/13 - 4/1/13)

[jivelikenice]

Okafor, however, has an attractive, expiring deal with an ETO.

CCJ, whats a realistic haul for Okafor this summer if they move him?

[Dat2U]

I've never been a huge Al Jefferson fan, but I think he or Millsap in DC would be a lot of fun to watch. If Washington were to find a way to trade Okafor or Nene for Big Al, the Wizards could have a heck of a team improvement.

Nene's health is too precarious for me to see any way he's successfully moved. Okafor, however, has an attractive, expiring deal with an ETO.

Washington isn't getting Favors or Kanter unless they give up John Wall. I could, however see Millsap or Jefferson in DC if cap room opened up for Ariza and/or Okafor departing.

I don't like AlJeff. A high volume scorer with middling efficiency and a porous defender. I'm surprised Utah traded for him in the first place.

Millsap is a different story. Not a star but a rock solid PF. Not a great defender but I don't think he's terrible. A S&T might be more fruitful then trying to trade for Ryan Anderson or Illyasova since Millsap may be a better all around player.

If Ariza doesn't opt out, then how bout Ariza, Seraphin and maybe a heavily protected 1st in '15 for a resigned Millsap?

[DCZards]

I don't like AlJeff. A high volume scorer with middling efficiency and a porous defender. I'm surprised Utah traded for him in the first place.

Millsap is a different story. Not a star but a rock solid PF. Not a great defender but I don't think he's terrible. A S&T might be more fruitful then trying to trade for Ryan Anderson or Illyasova since Millsap may be a better all around player.

If Ariza doesn't opt out, then how bout Ariza, Seraphin and maybe a heavily protected 1st in '15 for a resigned Millsap?

I'd make the trade for a resigned Millsap. Hardworking, blue-collar type 28 year-old who has had to prove his worth and has probably not yet reached his peak. Millsap rebounds and is a better shooter than most people realize. I like that. Millsap reminds me of a young (and slightly better) Kurt Thomas...who seems to manage to keep a job, even at 50 years old. Although Thomas plays better D. (Plus CCJ loves Millsap.)

Dat, please don't jump off the JW bandwagon quite yet. We need you. Keep hope alive!

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I've never been a huge Al Jefferson fan, but I think he or Millsap in DC would be a lot of fun to watch. If Washington were to find a way to trade Okafor or Nene for Big Al, the Wizards could have a heck of a team improvement.

Nene's health is too precarious for me to see any way he's successfully moved. Okafor, however, has an attractive, expiring deal with an ETO.

Washington isn't getting Favors or Kanter unless they give up John Wall. I could, however see Millsap or Jefferson in DC if cap room opened up for Ariza and/or Okafor departing.

I don't like AlJeff. A high volume scorer with middling efficiency and a porous defender. I'm surprised Utah traded for him in the first place.

Millsap is a different story. Not a star but a rock solid PF. Not a great defender but I don't think he's terrible. A S&T might be more fruitful then trying to trade for Ryan Anderson or Illyasova since Millsap may be a better all around player.

If Ariza doesn't opt out, then how bout Ariza, Seraphin and maybe a heavily protected 1st in '15 for a resigned Millsap?

Throwing in the pick might not be necessary and I think Washington is not getting great value in this idea. Utah probably doesn't want Seraphin but someone else values athletic, big Cs like Kevin. If he would stop jacking shots, Kevin might actually reveal his true worth as a good low post defender.

I think the Wizards need to keep their pick if they include Seraphin (but this would be perfect if including Booker or Singleton). Otherwise, I like Millsap a bunch.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Okafor, however, has an attractive, expiring deal with an ETO.

CCJ, whats a realistic haul for Okafor this summer if they move him?

I'm not necessarily the best person to ask for a realistic haul for Okafor. I'm more the idealist than a realist. I will give it my best, jive.

Realistically thinking, with Okafor having an Early Termination Option, he has until June 30th to decide whether to opt out. So, first of all Okafor can decide to test free agency and make this a moot point.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/2013-nba-free-agents/

Early Termination Option – Slightly different from the Player Option (impacting trade kickers differently than player options), but the decision is still up to the player. If he invokes the option by June 30th (or an earlier, agreed-upon date), he becomes an unrestricted free agent. If he does nothing, he is under contract for the duration of the original deal.

If he decides to hold on to his guaranteed money and remaining year, then the Wizards may decide at any time to trade Emeka. I don't foresee Okafor opting out, with guys like Howard, Bynum, Kaman, Dalembert, and Pachulia all being FAs. So, Washington probably will get the opportunity to trade Emeka if they choose to next season.

Hoopsworld's link has all the other potential free agents (including Ariza and Okafor). Okafor is slated to make $14,487,500. With Emeka's salary and cap constraints in mind, there are a bunch of potential trades to be made.

I think the best case would be to try and trade Emeka to a contending team that might use some help at C. Trading him out west would be preferred.

--I know he's from Houston, and I would think that would be a nice stop.
--The Clippers have little depth behind their Lob City front court.
--In the East, Boston expects another run with KG next season and they need some help in the middle.
--The Knicks as constructed are not going to win a thing. Chandler could use some help in the middle.

--jivelikenice, realistically, I foresee some sort of trade involving Butler. (Washington already tipped their hand this trade deadline. If Ariza opts out I expect Washington will do a knee jerk trade if EG is the GM. I could see them losing Ariza and trading away Okafor in order to not lose him, too for nothing. One very realistic trade would be Caron Butler, Willie Green, and C Trey Thompkins for Emeka Okafor.

--If the Mavericks want to give Dirk one last shot at a title, I could see Mark Cuban making a wild offer like Shawn Marion, OJ Mayo, and Jared Cunningham, and the Mavs 1st round pick for Emeka Okafor and John Wall.

I think I'm past realistic now.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

I like the talk of emulating San Antonio, and looking at them, anyone think Splitter could be had? I think the Brazilian big man's skillset could be a good mix with Nene and Okafor.

http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Tia ... ummary/373

Wizards send Seraphin, Vesely, 2nd round picks to Spurs for Splitter?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I like the talk of emulating San Antonio, and looking at them, anyone think Splitter could be had? I think the Brazilian big man's skillset could be a good mix with Nene and Okafor.

http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Tia ... ummary/373

Wizards send Seraphin, Vesely, 2nd round picks to Spurs for Splitter?

The Spurs would say "Thanks!" and be all over that deal IMO, SUPER.

Time is something Splitter has had to become who he is for SA. He played a lot of years internationally, and the Spurs have had him and watched him grow as an NBA player from ages 26, 27, and 28. This deal would give them a French speaking C who is athletic but raw and a versatile Czech player who has a very high basketball IQ at near 7 feet tall. Seraphin is 23 and Vesely is 22. They were NBA 1st round picks for a reason. EG wasn't the only one high on Seraphin at all.

Honestly, I think this a really intriguing deal, SUPER. It's the kind of deal the I don't see happening but one an organization like the Spurs might see as an opportunity to turn two lumps of coal into two diamonds.

[Dark Faze]

Would you guys do an Aldridge for an unprotected 2013 pick and Okafor?

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Plus Spurs can do what they do with some more draft n stash with those 2nd round picks.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Would you guys do an Aldridge for an unprotected 2013 pick and Okafor?

No, I wouldn't.

LMA for Okafor plus Noel/Porter/Muhammed/Olapido/Burke/Smart/Olynyk are the type of deals that could come back to haunt the Wizards. One of those picks could become a HOF player some day.

DF, I'm not sure I'm right but my first instinct says no, because Aldridge is already near a max deal guy. Others might disagree. I'm curious how others feel.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Would you guys do an Aldridge for an unprotected 2013 pick and Okafor?

No, I wouldn't.

LMA for Okafor plus Noel/Porter/Burke/Smart/Olynyk are the type of deals that could come back to haunt the Wizards.

DF, I'm not sure I'm right but my first instinct says no, because Aldridge is already near a max deal guy. Others might disagree. I'm curious how others feel.

Man this would be tough to turn down. This isn't the strongest draft, and Aldridge, Wall, Beal would be a pretty strong 3-some. Add in Nene, Ariza, Webster, Seraphin, etc. That's instantly a really good team.

I don't see why Portland would do this though.

[miller31time]

Would you guys do an Aldridge for an unprotected 2013 pick and Okafor?

In a heartbeat. Portland would hang up the phone, though.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

If I am Portland I take the deal and run with it, laughing at the Wizards.

I give due diligence. I looked no farther than wikipedia for this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaMarcus_Aldridge

During the end of the 2006–2007 season [LaMarcus Aldridge] was diagnosed with Wolff-Parkinson-White syndrome, a heart ailment. He missed the rest of the regular season in order to monitor the problem and correct it.[17]

Prior to the 2011–2012 season, Aldridge once again underwent surgery to correct complications associated with his heart condition.[18

Aldridge is a two-time all star who will be 28 years old. I would not give up Otto Porter and Okafor in an expiring year, as much as I like "L-A". I have Aldridge on my fantasy team but I don't think he's a superstar. He's taller than Jamison but a similarly impacting type player.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... ila01.html

When Andray Blatche was a Wizard I recall noting very similar productivity, but with Blatche being the better rebounder and Aldridge the better scorer. If you care to, look at 2013 stats for Blatche and compare his rebounding, scoring per-36, and his PER and WS/48 to that of LaMarcus Aldridge.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... can01.html

The trade above is great for Portland IMO. You guys may be right about Portland hanging up the phone, but they shouldn't. Hickson is a beast on the boards and IMO they would be better off with Hickson, Okafor, and yet another lottery pick like Porter than having to pay LMA his 13M the next few seasons.

I think Serapin and Vesely are serviceable, as they showed as starters the last 15 games of last season. It took Aldridge many seasons in the NBA to live up to being drafted #2 overall. I think the Wizards would be shocked to see the guys who really stink this season playing better than they did at their best. Not that Vesely and Seraphin are of great value, but those guys with Porter would be better than a nearing-30 LMA over the long run. Avoid old, big contract, for young deals unless its another young Caron for really young and bad Kwame.

I see this different than others, but like I said above I might not be right.

[Nivek]

WPW is not a reason to avoid Aldridge. I had this condition and it's fairly easy to fix with a catheter procedure. It's an outpatient procedure done without general anethesia. It's basically an electrical issue in the heart. Every now and then, the "extra" electrical connection can come back. It's fixed by repeating the procedure. Really not a big deal.

That said, I'm not sure about trading for Aldridge. His production is down this season. Down year or the start of a trend?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Thanks, Nivek. I learn something worthwhile pretty much every time you post.

As to Aldridge, I think on production alone he's not worth this year's lottery pick. However, I could live with a deal for him better knowing the heart issue is not a deal breaker. i think he's not the best player because of his rebounding and as you say, his production has fallen off slightly this season.

[stevemcqueen1]

WPW is not a reason to avoid Aldridge. I had this condition and it's fairly easy to fix with a catheter procedure. It's an outpatient procedure done without general anethesia. It's basically an electrical issue in the heart. Every now and then, the "extra" electrical connection can come back. It's fixed by repeating the procedure. Really not a big deal.

That said, I'm not sure about trading for Aldridge. His production is down this season. Down year or the start of a trend?

He was outstanding over the first half of the season. TBH, I think his team is just bad and he's getting worn down. They lean on him so heavily. The bench is the worst in the league. The burden of offensive creation is very high. I'm talking about him having to create off the dribble, facilitate his teammates, take a ton of jumpers, turnaround fades and such, and do all of the crunch time scoring. It's not a great situation.

I also don't think Portland would ever give him up willingly.

[gambitx777]

If we could flip NENE for him, then yeah but i doubt that happens. I think if we are willing to move wall and NENE i think we could bring in some picks and a good young big and some other pieces. I think we need to take a chance on this draft, sure its called week but i think there is some real talent here.

[nate33]

WPW is not a reason to avoid Aldridge. I had this condition and it's fairly easy to fix with a catheter procedure. It's an outpatient procedure done without general anethesia. It's basically an electrical issue in the heart. Every now and then, the "extra" electrical connection can come back. It's fixed by repeating the procedure. Really not a big deal.

That said, I'm not sure about trading for Aldridge. His production is down this season. Down year or the start of a trend?

He was outstanding over the first half of the season. TBH, I think his team is just bad and he's getting worn down. They lean on him so heavily. The bench is the worst in the league. The burden of offensive creation is very high. I'm talking about him having to create off the dribble, facilitate his teammates, take a ton of jumpers, turnaround fades and such, and do all of the crunch time scoring. It's not a great situation.

I also don't think Portland would ever give him up willingly.

I agree with this. Aldridge is still a really good player. I think he's the most complete big man in the game. He's pretty much above average at everything: post-ups, shooting, man defense, help defense. His rebounding is probably only about average, but would probably be higher if he wasn't carrying such a burden on offense.

I'd make the trade in a heartbeat. Portland wouldn't.

[Ruzious]

And keep in mind, he plays so many minutes that he's got to pace himself. If he was playing just 30 minutes a game, I would expect his efficiency and production numbers would likely be considerably better. LMA is a stud.

[tontoz]

Aldridge's game is based on length and skill, not athleticism. I think he should age well.