Official Trade Thread - Part XXIX

[Lindecision]

No on Humphries. He's a good player on a cheap contract that has a team option next year so we can cut him if we need the cap room.

A Pierce + Blair S&T would make some sense. I kinda think that Crawford is overrated, but if he can be had for essentially nothing, it's worth considering.

Deal! Unfortunately for us I think you guys have more leverage than that. The way DJ has left us high and dry really limits what we can do, unless we get a Pierce S&T of course, so you should be able to get one of our 2nd rounders out of it.

I included Sessions because I figured LAC would want some backcourt help in return if they are giving up Crawford. And since Crawford can play with either Beal or Wall, Sessions minutes would be low here assuming everyone is healthy. But hey, if we can just do Pierce+Blair even better!

Actually, what about Pierce+Seraphin? Seraphin supposedly has drawn interest from several team, not sure if LAC is one of them. From our perspective, we would basically get Crawford for two guys that weren't coming back anyway. Man, that would be a steal.

After that, we could try to swap Webster for Jason Thompson, re-up Gooden, and our squad would be set:

Gortat/Nene/Blair
Humphries/Thompson/Gooden
Porter/Dudley/Oubre
Beal/Crawford/Neal
Wall/Sessions/Temple

Still would like to somehow upgrade at starting PF, but our bench issues are solved and there's no impact to our 2016 plans.

Would gladly take Sessions. I just don't see how your FO would let that happen given how effective he was for you at times. He had a couple beast playoff games if I remember correctly.

[jivelikenice]

Quick question on Markieff. Can we theoretically fit him in & be ok for KD? Not sure how they can even get him for the Suns but just trying to understand its even possible cap wise

[nate33]

Quick question on Markieff. Can we theoretically fit him in & be ok for KD? Not sure how they can even get him for the Suns but just trying to understand its even possible cap wise

Yes. If we refrain from using our MLE this year and we let Humphries go next summer.

[jivelikenice]

Quick question on Markieff. Can we theoretically fit him in & be ok for KD? Not sure how they can even get him for the Suns but just trying to understand its even possible cap wise

Yes. If we refrain from using our MLE this year and we let Humphries go next summer.

Interesting thing about him is his salary drops to $7.4MM next summer. Idea stretch 4 IMO. Can shoot, guard both forward positions. He took a little step back last year but that could also have been related to the multiple changes at pg last year for the Suns. Unfortunately when it comes to assets we're pretty limited.

[rl25g]

Would easily give up a future first for Morris and his affordable contract

[gambitx777]

The probalem about going after Markieff now, is that they are not in cap clearing mode anymore. they missed out on L.A. and not they need him. So we are going to have to give them a first, I imagine, to get him at this point. he might be worth it thought, if we could dump nene or webby in another deal.

[jivelikenice]

Why not give a 1st for a 25 yr old stretch-4 who's under contract; a contract that actually has a decline in the cap hit for '16? His #s were down a bit last year, but given the misfire in Phoenix with their pgs you'd have to think that had something to do with it.

[payitforward]

Somebody explain to me why you *like* Markieff Morris? He hasn't yet had even one good NBA season. His numbers last year were down from the previous year, yes -- but the previous year numbers weren't good!

He doesn't rebound, his scoring efficiency is low for a big, and nothing else positive stands out at all. He'll be 26 later this Summer, so he is not at the "young guy getting better" stage any more.

As to the cap-friendly one-year salary drop -- it's a big $600K; means nothing.

What is it anyone likes about him? Even more, why would he stand out in particular as someone you'd like to acquire. I really want to know.

edit: not to mention that if you take him on, you've got him through June 2019. Why add that?

[Induveca]

PIF, agreed I've never understood the love for either Morris.

[jivelikenice]

Had a really solid '13-'14 as described below. He had a down season this past year, but I think the carousel at pg in Phoenix may have had something to do with that. He does need to tighten up his 3-pt shot. He shot 35% from 3 in his rookie season on 124 attempts and 33.6% in his second season so I think that could turn it back around. At 25 and on a 4/32 extension, he's a bargain in the current NBA climate. He's not the best rim protector but does have the ability to guard stretch bigs outside.

https://www.numberfire.com/nba/news/2923/why-markieff-morris-is-one-of-the-best-breakout-candidates-for-next-season

http://www.nba.com/suns/blog/suns-retorter-bill-simmons-joins-suns-bandwagon

[deneem4]

Perry jones
Perry jones
Perry jones

The American greek freak

Giannis Antetokounmpo put up significantly better numbers in more minutes in his rookie year at age 19 than Perry Jones put up in his third season at age 23.

Giannas didn't have to play behind the best player in the league...
Perry has never had the chance to make and learn from his mistakes...that's important...

[Dark Faze]

Celtics just got Lee.

They have so many hybrid PF/C's now.

TPE for Olynyk...maybe throw in Seraphin sign and trade or a second rounder? Super protected first?

[fishercob]

Wiz should see if they can get an expiring big for Webster, Blair and cash (to pay MW's buyout next year). We should talk to rebuilding teams who might like some veterans in their locker room and/or to maybe move on from guys who have worn out their welcomes.

Trevor Booker, Chris Kaman, Ryan Kelly, Marvin WIlliams, etc.

Others?

[verbal8]

Wiz should see if they can get an expiring big for Webster, Blair and cash (to pay MW's buyout next year). We should talk to rebuilding teams who might like some veterans in their locker room and/or to maybe move on from guys who have worn out their welcomes.

Trevor Booker, Chris Kaman, Ryan Kelly, Marvin WIlliams, etc.

Others?

I think Marvin Williams could be a good option. One advantage to having so many wings, is it would force him to be played at the 4 where he seems much more effective. He is overpaid, so it shouldn't take a future incentive to acquire him.

Booker could be a good option, but not sure what the Jazz would want in return.

Kelly is interesting - I imagine he would cost a future 2nd. He looked promising as a rookie, but really struggled with 2 point shooting his 2nd season. Could be a perfect change of pace stretch-4 in limited minutes.

[fishercob]

Wiz should see if they can get an expiring big for Webster, Blair and cash (to pay MW's buyout next year). We should talk to rebuilding teams who might like some veterans in their locker room and/or to maybe move on from guys who have worn out their welcomes.

Trevor Booker, Chris Kaman, Ryan Kelly, Marvin WIlliams, etc.

Others?

I think Marvin Williams could be a good option. One advantage to having so many wings, is it would force him to be played at the 4 where he seems much more effective. He is overpaid, so it shouldn't take a future incentive to acquire him.

Booker could be a good option, but not sure what the Jazz would want in return.

Kelly is interesting - I imagine he would cost a future 2nd. He looked promising as a rookie, but really struggled with 2 point shooting his 2nd season. Could be a perfect change of pace stretch-4 in limited minutes.

I'd love Williams for Webster + Blair + cash.

CHA would likely prefer Webster for Williams even up because it saves them money this year (and lets be honest, Blair isn't getting on the floor for them). If we did this and cut Blair, how much space would we have under the tax line?

Ideally we could sign Gooden and either Aldrich or Withey and have this depth chart

Wall/Sessions/Temple
Beal/AA/Neal
Otto/Dudley/Oubre
Hump/Marvin/Gooden
Gortat/Nene/Aldrich or Withey

[Ironpanthr]

Wiz should see if they can get an expiring big for Webster, Blair and cash (to pay MW's buyout next year). We should talk to rebuilding teams who might like some veterans in their locker room and/or to maybe move on from guys who have worn out their welcomes.

Trevor Booker, Chris Kaman, Ryan Kelly, Marvin WIlliams, etc.

Others?

I think Marvin Williams could be a good option. One advantage to having so many wings, is it would force him to be played at the 4 where he seems much more effective. He is overpaid, so it shouldn't take a future incentive to acquire him.

Booker could be a good option, but not sure what the Jazz would want in return.

Kelly is interesting - I imagine he would cost a future 2nd. He looked promising as a rookie, but really struggled with 2 point shooting his 2nd season. Could be a perfect change of pace stretch-4 in limited minutes.

I'd love Williams for Webster + Blair + cash.

CHA would likely prefer Webster for Williams even up because it saves them money this year (and lets be honest, Blair isn't getting on the floor for them). If we did this and cut Blair, how much space would we have under the tax line?

Ideally we could sign Gooden and either Aldrich or Withey and have this depth chart

Wall/Sessions/Temple
Beal/AA/Neal
Otto/Dudley/Oubre
Hump/Marvin/Gooden
Gortat/Nene/Aldrich or Withey

I like the idea of Williams, but is he expiring? I know that question frustrates some people on the board, but as a factual matter, if he adversely impacts the available cap next offseason, it ain't happenin'.

[keynote]

Booker could be a good option, but not sure what the Jazz would want in return.

The Jazz can take on salary, since they're under the cap. We could (in theory) flip Nene for Booker. UTA gets an upgrade at the backup 4/5 who can bang w/ Favors in practice (instead of relying on Ingles); we get a more mobile 4 (with budding range) who's sturdier and who might match up better vs. mobile 4s like Millsap.

However, I don't know whether UTA will think Nene is worth tying up their cap (even if it's just for a year) unless they want to treat him like an expiring and move him at the deadline. And, given that we've spent most of our $ without beefing up our frontcourt, we probably can't afford to trade Nene without a specific plan for acquiring a backup 5.

[fishercob]

I think Marvin Williams could be a good option. One advantage to having so many wings, is it would force him to be played at the 4 where he seems much more effective. He is overpaid, so it shouldn't take a future incentive to acquire him.

Booker could be a good option, but not sure what the Jazz would want in return.

Kelly is interesting - I imagine he would cost a future 2nd. He looked promising as a rookie, but really struggled with 2 point shooting his 2nd season. Could be a perfect change of pace stretch-4 in limited minutes.

I'd love Williams for Webster + Blair + cash.

CHA would likely prefer Webster for Williams even up because it saves them money this year (and lets be honest, Blair isn't getting on the floor for them). If we did this and cut Blair, how much space would we have under the tax line?

Ideally we could sign Gooden and either Aldrich or Withey and have this depth chart

Wall/Sessions/Temple
Beal/AA/Neal
Otto/Dudley/Oubre
Hump/Marvin/Gooden
Gortat/Nene/Aldrich or Withey

I like the idea of Williams, but is he expiring? I know that question frustrates some people on the board, but as a factual matter, if he adversely impacts the available cap next offseason, it ain't happenin'.

Yes, he is expiring.

[fishercob]

Booker could be a good option, but not sure what the Jazz would want in return.

The Jazz can take on salary, since they're under the cap. We could (in theory) flip Nene for Booker. UTA gets an upgrade at the backup 4/5 who can bang w/ Favors in practice (instead of relying on Ingles); we get a more mobile 4 (with budding range) who's sturdier and who might match up better vs. mobile 4s like Millsap.

However, I don't know whether UTA will think Nene is worth tying up their cap (even if it's just for a year) unless they want to treat him like an expiring and move him at the deadline. And, given that we've spent most of our $ without beefing up our frontcourt, we probably can't afford to trade Nene without a specific plan for acquiring a backup 5.

What do the Wizards gain by trading Nene for Booker? The idea is to keep Nene and add a player like Booker, Williams, etc.

[keynote]

Booker could be a good option, but not sure what the Jazz would want in return.

The Jazz can take on salary, since they're under the cap. We could (in theory) flip Nene for Booker. UTA gets an upgrade at the backup 4/5 who can bang w/ Favors in practice (instead of relying on Ingles); we get a more mobile 4 (with budding range) who's sturdier and who might match up better vs. mobile 4s like Millsap.

However, I don't know whether UTA will think Nene is worth tying up their cap (even if it's just for a year) unless they want to treat him like an expiring and move him at the deadline. And, given that we've spent most of our $ without beefing up our frontcourt, we probably can't afford to trade Nene without a specific plan for acquiring a backup 5.

What do the Wizards gain by trading Nene for Booker? The idea is to keep Nene and add a player like Booker, Williams, etc.

We're in agreement:

And, given that we've spent most of our $ without beefing up our frontcourt, we probably can't afford to trade Nene without a specific plan for acquiring a backup 5.