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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 2 

Post#1281 » by nate33 » Fri May 23, 2025 5:31 pm

80sballboy wrote:If Tre Johnson or any of these guys like Fears, Maluach, Queen, Jakucionis, Kneuppel and Carter Bryant were perfect, they wouldn't have a chance to be drafted at No. 6, 7 or higher. That's probably why we're picking another overseas guy like Noa Essengue.

It's easy to be pessimistic around draft time, but this is essentially correct. Most draft picks have obvious flaws. The key is figuring out which ones can overcome their flaws with training and experience and become more well-rounded players.

I'm pretty sure that at least one or two among Fears, Maluach, Queen, Jakucionis, Kneuppel and Bryant will pan out to be a quality starter and maybe even in All-Star. One will probably also be a bust.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 2 

Post#1282 » by AFM » Fri May 23, 2025 6:06 pm

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TGW wrote:Tre Johnson's defensive rating is a 109. Holy sheeittt that's terrible.

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Everything I've read from scouts quotes on him in terms of negatives has been:

The above posted from you, accented by a belief by some, that if he's got a good head/mental makeup and approach, he has the physical attributes to be a great defender with more want to/work.

The other negative is basically he was a non-entity in terms of driving to the hoop.

I haven't really heard any defenses of these liabilities from his fans, it kind of reminds me of Queen's fans either outright ignoring his issues in terms of mobility/feed and horrific defense, and never defending it with pro-Queen posts, or just soft pedaling how much of a problem it will be or how much of a problem it is.

In fairness, I soft peddle the issues Fears has too because I'm hoping he'll grow more, and work on them to make the concerns at least adequately playable. The reality is that we tumbled so far down the draft, that barring a trade up, or somone inexplicably falling past both Charlotte and Utah, we are going to be looking at prospects with huge issues no matter what:

Kon's lack of athleticism and 1 dimensionality.

Fears size, and horrific 3 pointer.

Maluach being raw as hell and not as athletic as hoped

Tre being a 1 dimensional scorer with little interest in the "work" piece of the game (defense, and driving inside). Empty Calorie scorer with limitations.

Carter Bryant playing about 35% fewer minutes than every other stud in the class. Why was he played so little comparatively, and he's raw as hell, an upside bet basically on his athleticism and raw potential.


Queen being borderline useless on defense and not being athletic enough perhaps to be as good offensively either (in fairness, I'm no longer worried about Queen being the pick, I don't think they're crazy enough to take him at 6 after that combine, a trade down maybe, not at 6).


All these guys have much bigger concerns than VJ and Harper, and far fewer than Flagg. Not sure about Bailey, I think Bailey gets a pass because of his profile and scouting perception of his potential, even though his performance was a range of uneven to outright crap at times.

But the tier drop to where we are opens the draft up to guys with gaping wide concerns in their game. No matter what direction we do, other than trading up to San Antonio, the prospect we will get will have rather large bust potential or chance at just hitting the floor of career trajectories. It's why I'd prefer to trade down for '26 assets and a lower pick. Barring trading up for Harper, Bailey or Edge, I don't really think it's worth it to stay at 6 considering the issues these guys have, I tend to think the upside angles of all of them are largely low end. I can just picture Fears becoming a floor general, but it's a hunch based on nothing but a feeling, and his age, not rationality. Tre just looks exactly like a disappointing never cares enough about defense guy who can shoot the heck out of the ball but never works on his issues, their interviews and the background they do on him will tell the story about whether that's likely, or not. He could be a MASSIVE worker, and I just don't know it, but the hunch I have is that he's that type because I've seen so many w/his profile just stick in the NBA on their skill and add nothing, if we take him, I pray I'm wrong.

Personally, I'd trade down and out, or up though, that's the only way you up the liklihood of something good happening in the next 13 months. Otherwise it's all hope and potentially cope.



One thing not mentioned about Fears is he's from Chicago.... Most Chi players don't initially have good jump shots because it's the Windy City and the air takes your shot and trashes it.... So those players tend to develop jumpers later on, but usually have very good at the rim ability,


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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 2 

Post#1283 » by DCZards » Fri May 23, 2025 6:30 pm

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One thing not mentioned about Fears is he's from Chicago.... Most Chi players don't initially have good jump shots because it's the Windy City and the air takes your shot and trashes it.... So those players tend to develop jumpers later on, but usually have very good at the rim ability, which Fears has.... He has a wonderful array of moves once he gets to the rim.....

I think we should bet on an 18yr old who has a skill nobody but maybe AJ Johnson has on our current team.... That is the ability to get by guys consistently and get to the rim....

I'm watching the playoffs and the need for a lead guard who can get to the rim is glaringly obvious to see why these teams are still standing... You got SGA, Halliburton, Ant, and Brunson.... They do it all in very different ways but they all get to the rim with consistency...... Out of all the players who we could potentially get at our position, he seems to me to be the only one who has that skill... And he's very good at finishing with either hand when he does get to the rim, and he draws quite a bit of fouls.

I’m totally with you when you talk about the need to have players who can create off the dribble and get to the rim…or create for others. I love players who can do that.

But I have a hard time comparing Fears’ ability to do that with that of SGA, Ant, Haliburton, all of whom are much bigger and stronger than Fears.

Yes, Brunson does get to the rim. But he does it with his craftiness and patience…and not with his quickness or speed or size.

I’m not down on Fears though. He could turn out to be one of the top players in this draft. Just hard for me to really compare him to SGA, Ant or Haliburton…or even Brunson at this point.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 2 

Post#1284 » by nate33 » Fri May 23, 2025 6:53 pm

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One thing not mentioned about Fears is he's from Chicago.... Most Chi players don't initially have good jump shots because it's the Windy City and the air takes your shot and trashes it.... So those players tend to develop jumpers later on, but usually have very good at the rim ability, which Fears has.... He has a wonderful array of moves once he gets to the rim.....

I think we should bet on an 18yr old who has a skill nobody but maybe AJ Johnson has on our current team.... That is the ability to get by guys consistently and get to the rim....

I'm watching the playoffs and the need for a lead guard who can get to the rim is glaringly obvious to see why these teams are still standing... You got SGA, Halliburton, Ant, and Brunson.... They do it all in very different ways but they all get to the rim with consistency...... Out of all the players who we could potentially get at our position, he seems to me to be the only one who has that skill... And he's very good at finishing with either hand when he does get to the rim, and he draws quite a bit of fouls.

I’m totally with you when you talk about the need to have players who can create off the dribble and get to the rim…or create for others. I love players who can do that.

But I have a hard time comparing Fears’ ability to do that with that of SGA, Ant, Haliburton, all of whom are much bigger and stronger than Fears.

Yes, Brunson does get to the rim. But he does it with his craftiness and patience…and not with his quickness or speed or size.

I’m not down on Fears though. He could turn out to be one of the top players in this draft. Just hard for me to really compare him to SGA, Ant or Haliburton…or even Brunson at this point.

Yeah, I don't consider Brunson and Haliburton as comps because they are both remarkable outside shooters. If Fears doesn't significantly improve his outside shot, his upside is probably something more like Scoot Henderson or De'Aaron Fox. And those guys haven't really won much. It's just too hard to reliably score at the rim when you aren't that tall.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 2 

Post#1285 » by dckingsfan » Fri May 23, 2025 7:24 pm

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TheBlackCzar wrote:One thing not mentioned about Fears is he's from Chicago.... Most Chi players don't initially have good jump shots because it's the Windy City and the air takes your shot and trashes it.... So those players tend to develop jumpers later on, but usually have very good at the rim ability, which Fears has.... He has a wonderful array of moves once he gets to the rim.....

I think we should bet on an 18yr old who has a skill nobody but maybe AJ Johnson has on our current team.... That is the ability to get by guys consistently and get to the rim....

I'm watching the playoffs and the need for a lead guard who can get to the rim is glaringly obvious to see why these teams are still standing... You got SGA, Halliburton, Ant, and Brunson.... They do it all in very different ways but they all get to the rim with consistency...... Out of all the players who we could potentially get at our position, he seems to me to be the only one who has that skill... And he's very good at finishing with either hand when he does get to the rim, and he draws quite a bit of fouls.

I’m totally with you when you talk about the need to have players who can create off the dribble and get to the rim…or create for others. I love players who can do that.

But I have a hard time comparing Fears’ ability to do that with that of SGA, Ant, Haliburton, all of whom are much bigger and stronger than Fears.

Yes, Brunson does get to the rim. But he does it with his craftiness and patience…and not with his quickness or speed or size.

I’m not down on Fears though. He could turn out to be one of the top players in this draft. Just hard for me to really compare him to SGA, Ant or Haliburton…or even Brunson at this point.

Yeah, I don't consider Brunson and Haliburton as comps because they are both remarkable outside shooters. If Fears doesn't significantly improve his outside shot, his upside is probably something more like Scoot Henderson or De'Aaron Fox. And those guys haven't really won much. It's just too hard to reliably score at the rim when you aren't that tall.

Wait. You are saying I could have De'Aaron Fox for my pick ... Okay now to the non-strawman argument :D

De'Aaron Fox came into the league with a .723 FT%. Fears shoots 85.1% from the FT line. I have to believe he is going to be a better (much, IMO) 3 point shooter than Fox in time - that is what you are banking on for his ceiling. BTW, I don't think he will make a Fox type impact on D as a rookie. I think that someone that selects Fears is going to bank on the FT% translating to 3PT% in time to be a real 3-way scorer that gets to the line. What I am saying is that if you believe that -- well then, his ceiling is pretty darn good (especially if he is still growing).

Our FO will have an opinion on this as do we... gonna be interesting.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 2 

Post#1286 » by nate33 » Fri May 23, 2025 7:40 pm

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DCZards wrote:I’m totally with you when you talk about the need to have players who can create off the dribble and get to the rim…or create for others. I love players who can do that.

But I have a hard time comparing Fears’ ability to do that with that of SGA, Ant, Haliburton, all of whom are much bigger and stronger than Fears.

Yes, Brunson does get to the rim. But he does it with his craftiness and patience…and not with his quickness or speed or size.

I’m not down on Fears though. He could turn out to be one of the top players in this draft. Just hard for me to really compare him to SGA, Ant or Haliburton…or even Brunson at this point.

Yeah, I don't consider Brunson and Haliburton as comps because they are both remarkable outside shooters. If Fears doesn't significantly improve his outside shot, his upside is probably something more like Scoot Henderson or De'Aaron Fox. And those guys haven't really won much. It's just too hard to reliably score at the rim when you aren't that tall.

Wait. You are saying I could have De'Aaron Fox for my pick ... Okay now to the non-strawman argument :D

De'Aaron Fox came into the league with a .723 FT%. Fears shoots 85.1% from the FT line. I have to believe he is going to be a better (much, IMO) 3 point shooter than Fox in time - that is what you are banking on for his ceiling. BTW, I don't think he will make a Fox type impact on D as a rookie. I think that someone that selects Fears is going to bank on the FT% translating to 3PT% in time to be a real 3-way scorer that gets to the line. What I am saying is that if you believe that -- well then, his ceiling is pretty darn good (especially if he is still growing).

Our FO will have an opinion on this as do we... gonna be interesting.

Yeah, I think his ceiling is good. The guy has talent. But by ceiling, I don't mean his likely outcome. I mean his absolute ceiling. And if his absolute ceiling is Fox, it's still not too exciting as far as I'm concerned. I don't think a Fox tier player is good enough offensively to be number 1 option on a second round playoff team. And I wonder if a Fox tier player can continue to maximize his talent as a second-option who doesn't have the ball run through him all the time.
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Post#1287 » by dckingsfan » Fri May 23, 2025 7:47 pm

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nate33 wrote:Yeah, I don't consider Brunson and Haliburton as comps because they are both remarkable outside shooters. If Fears doesn't significantly improve his outside shot, his upside is probably something more like Scoot Henderson or De'Aaron Fox. And those guys haven't really won much. It's just too hard to reliably score at the rim when you aren't that tall.

Wait. You are saying I could have De'Aaron Fox for my pick ... Okay now to the non-strawman argument :D

De'Aaron Fox came into the league with a .723 FT%. Fears shoots 85.1% from the FT line. I have to believe he is going to be a better (much, IMO) 3 point shooter than Fox in time - that is what you are banking on for his ceiling. BTW, I don't think he will make a Fox type impact on D as a rookie. I think that someone that selects Fears is going to bank on the FT% translating to 3PT% in time to be a real 3-way scorer that gets to the line. What I am saying is that if you believe that -- well then, his ceiling is pretty darn good (especially if he is still growing).

Our FO will have an opinion on this as do we... gonna be interesting.

Yeah, I think his ceiling is good. The guy has talent. But by ceiling, I don't mean his likely outcome. I mean his absolute ceiling. And if his absolute ceiling is Fox, it's still not too exciting as far as I'm concerned. I don't think a Fox tier player is good enough offensively to be number 1 option on a second round playoff team. And I wonder if a Fox tier player can continue to maximize his talent as a second-option who doesn't have the ball run through him all the time.

Good points. First Fox: He is definitely happy being the second option who really steps up in the 4th quarter and he plays through contact. So, definitely a very solid #2 option in a late playoff run, IMO and he won't get run off the court defensively.

I think that Fears has an option of a #1 guy offensively (if the things I alluded to come to fruition). But Fears is most certainly a gamble, will the FT to 3PT % translate? Will he keep growing? Will he become a better passer (kind of Tony Parker like)? If so... somebody got a really fine PG.
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Post#1288 » by 80sballboy » Fri May 23, 2025 8:27 pm

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Post#1289 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Fri May 23, 2025 8:28 pm

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dckingsfan wrote:Wait. You are saying I could have De'Aaron Fox for my pick ... Okay now to the non-strawman argument :D

De'Aaron Fox came into the league with a .723 FT%. Fears shoots 85.1% from the FT line. I have to believe he is going to be a better (much, IMO) 3 point shooter than Fox in time - that is what you are banking on for his ceiling. BTW, I don't think he will make a Fox type impact on D as a rookie. I think that someone that selects Fears is going to bank on the FT% translating to 3PT% in time to be a real 3-way scorer that gets to the line. What I am saying is that if you believe that -- well then, his ceiling is pretty darn good (especially if he is still growing).

Our FO will have an opinion on this as do we... gonna be interesting.

Yeah, I think his ceiling is good. The guy has talent. But by ceiling, I don't mean his likely outcome. I mean his absolute ceiling. And if his absolute ceiling is Fox, it's still not too exciting as far as I'm concerned. I don't think a Fox tier player is good enough offensively to be number 1 option on a second round playoff team. And I wonder if a Fox tier player can continue to maximize his talent as a second-option who doesn't have the ball run through him all the time.

Good points. First Fox: He is definitely happy being the second option who really steps up in the 4th quarter and he plays through contact. So, definitely a very solid #2 option in a late playoff run, IMO and he won't get run off the court defensively.

I think that Fears has an option of a #1 guy offensively (if the things I alluded to come to fruition). But Fears is most certainly a gamble, will the FT to 3PT % translate? Will he keep growing? Will he become a better passer (kind of Tony Parker like)? If so... somebody got a really fine PG.








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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 2 

Post#1290 » by TheBlackCzar » Fri May 23, 2025 9:32 pm

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nate33 wrote:Yeah, I don't consider Brunson and Haliburton as comps because they are both remarkable outside shooters. If Fears doesn't significantly improve his outside shot, his upside is probably something more like Scoot Henderson or De'Aaron Fox. And those guys haven't really won much. It's just too hard to reliably score at the rim when you aren't that tall.

Wait. You are saying I could have De'Aaron Fox for my pick ... Okay now to the non-strawman argument :D

De'Aaron Fox came into the league with a .723 FT%. Fears shoots 85.1% from the FT line. I have to believe he is going to be a better (much, IMO) 3 point shooter than Fox in time - that is what you are banking on for his ceiling. BTW, I don't think he will make a Fox type impact on D as a rookie. I think that someone that selects Fears is going to bank on the FT% translating to 3PT% in time to be a real 3-way scorer that gets to the line. What I am saying is that if you believe that -- well then, his ceiling is pretty darn good (especially if he is still growing).

Our FO will have an opinion on this as do we... gonna be interesting.

Yeah, I think his ceiling is good. The guy has talent. But by ceiling, I don't mean his likely outcome. I mean his absolute ceiling. And if his absolute ceiling is Fox, it's still not too exciting as far as I'm concerned. I don't think a Fox tier player is good enough offensively to be number 1 option on a second round playoff team. And I wonder if a Fox tier player can continue to maximize his talent as a second-option who doesn't have the ball run through him all the time.




I think I'm envisioning him as our #2 when all the chips fall, not as the main option.... I still want Darryn Peterson, Alijah Arenas, Nate Clement, or AJ Dybantsa as our #1 and that was always my main preference.... I think Fears, Bub, AJ, and one of those guards next year, could be a nice rotation of young talent......I am not opposed to Queen or Sorber if we can get them with our 2nd frp this year..... Even Asa Nowell, Esengue and some of the older guys mentioned wouldn't be bad options, as I think this is a good draft for about 40-45 slots.... I do think we need a young frontcourt guy as well as a driving G.... Shooters are not that hard to find, the hard part is finding scorers who can shoot and drive when they want to not when they are allowed......
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Post#1291 » by dckingsfan » Fri May 23, 2025 9:47 pm

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nate33 wrote:Yeah, I think his ceiling is good. The guy has talent. But by ceiling, I don't mean his likely outcome. I mean his absolute ceiling. And if his absolute ceiling is Fox, it's still not too exciting as far as I'm concerned. I don't think a Fox tier player is good enough offensively to be number 1 option on a second round playoff team. And I wonder if a Fox tier player can continue to maximize his talent as a second-option who doesn't have the ball run through him all the time.

Good points. First Fox: He is definitely happy being the second option who really steps up in the 4th quarter and he plays through contact. So, definitely a very solid #2 option in a late playoff run, IMO and he won't get run off the court defensively.

I think that Fears has an option of a #1 guy offensively (if the things I alluded to come to fruition). But Fears is most certainly a gamble, will the FT to 3PT % translate? Will he keep growing? Will he become a better passer (kind of Tony Parker like)? If so... somebody got a really fine PG.

According to HOOPSHYPE Fears has worked out for 2 teams, the Wizards & the Nets.

Guessing there is a promise from one of the two teams.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 2 

Post#1292 » by dckingsfan » Fri May 23, 2025 9:50 pm

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80sballboy wrote:If Tre Johnson or any of these guys like Fears, Maluach, Queen, Jakucionis, Kneuppel and Carter Bryant were perfect, they wouldn't have a chance to be drafted at No. 6, 7 or higher. That's probably why we're picking another overseas guy like Noa Essengue.

It's easy to be pessimistic around draft time, but this is essentially correct. Most draft picks have obvious flaws. The key is figuring out which ones can overcome their flaws with training and experience and become more well-rounded players.

I'm pretty sure that at least one or two among Fears, Maluach, Queen, Jakucionis, Kneuppel and Bryant will pan out to be a quality starter and maybe even in All-Star. One will probably also be a bust.

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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 2 

Post#1294 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat May 24, 2025 4:52 am

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80sballboy wrote:If Tre Johnson or any of these guys like Fears, Maluach, Queen, Jakucionis, Kneuppel and Carter Bryant were perfect, they wouldn't have a chance to be drafted at No. 6, 7 or higher. That's probably why we're picking another overseas guy like Noa Essengue.

It's easy to be pessimistic around draft time, but this is essentially correct. Most draft picks have obvious flaws. The key is figuring out which ones can overcome their flaws with training and experience and become more well-rounded players.

I'm pretty sure that at least one or two among Fears, Maluach, Queen, Jakucionis, Kneuppel and Bryant will pan out to be a quality starter and maybe even in All-Star. One will probably also be a bust.
Bust? How similar is Derik Queen to Luka Garza?

Is Garza worthy of more playing time? Is he a bust?
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Post#1295 » by payitforward » Sat May 24, 2025 12:21 pm

By and large, over any decade you choose, only about 5 of the top 10 picks in the NBA draft turn out to be good players. The other 5 of the top 10 turn out to be, more or less, "busts" -- or, at least, major disappointments.
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Post#1296 » by nate33 » Sat May 24, 2025 12:53 pm

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80sballboy wrote:If Tre Johnson or any of these guys like Fears, Maluach, Queen, Jakucionis, Kneuppel and Carter Bryant were perfect, they wouldn't have a chance to be drafted at No. 6, 7 or higher. That's probably why we're picking another overseas guy like Noa Essengue.

It's easy to be pessimistic around draft time, but this is essentially correct. Most draft picks have obvious flaws. The key is figuring out which ones can overcome their flaws with training and experience and become more well-rounded players.

I'm pretty sure that at least one or two among Fears, Maluach, Queen, Jakucionis, Kneuppel and Bryant will pan out to be a quality starter and maybe even in All-Star. One will probably also be a bust.
Bust? How similar is Derik Queen to Luka Garza?

Is Garza worthy of more playing time? Is he a bust?

I don't understand your point. Who said anything about Luka Garza? For that matter, why are you even picking out Queen? My point is just as PIF summarized it above: there are stars found in the 5-10 range, and their are often busts in that range too. It's hard to predict because most of NBA success depends on how a young player develops his talents in the years following the draft.

I have no idea if Queen, or Fears, or somebody else will do the work to correct their weaknesses and become a star, or if they won't do the work so that their current weaknesses remain weaknesses that will be exploited throughout their career.
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Post#1297 » by nate33 » Sat May 24, 2025 1:00 pm

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At this point, he is my favorite target at #18. I'm starting to worry that he won't last that long though. FWIW, the consensus mock draft board has him going 21st.

If Wolf is already gone at #18, that probably increases the odds that Sorber is still on the board, so that's a good consolation prize. I'd be pretty happy with him too.
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Post#1298 » by pcbothwel » Sat May 24, 2025 1:06 pm

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As he should. He’s a lotto talent.
Basically, you get Kelly Olynyk as a floor, but he’s a better playmaker with better measurements.
I wouldn’t hesitate to take him at 18, but I think he goes 13-16.
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Post#1299 » by nate33 » Sat May 24, 2025 1:16 pm

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As he should. He’s a lotto talent.
Basically, you get Kelly Olynyk as a floor, but he’s a better playmaker with better measurements.
I wouldn’t hesitate to take him at 18, but I think he goes 13-16.

Yeah, I really like the way his game translates at the NBA level.

Lots of big guys rack up college stats by posting up smaller guys or overwhelming them on the offensive boards, but that doesn't really translate in the NBA once they are matched up with guys even bigger and stronger than them. They ultimately have to learn an entirely new style of play if they are going to succeed in the pros.

I like that Wolf already plays the way he would be expected to play at the NBA level - as a high post facilitator who runs pick-and-pop and can make passes on the short roll. His respectable outside shooting should provide enough gravity to open up room for backdoor cuts or for his PG to penetrate to the rim. Offensively, he should fit in right away. Defense is always an adjustment, but at least Wolf has pretty long arms (7'-2.25" wingspan) and very quick feet (11.26 lane agility) that suggest he won't be a complete turnstile.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 2 

Post#1300 » by payitforward » Sat May 24, 2025 2:14 pm

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At this point, he is my favorite target at #18. I'm starting to worry that he won't last that long though. FWIW, the consensus mock draft board has him going 21st.

If Wolf is already gone at #18, that probably increases the odds that Sorber is still on the board, so that's a good consolation prize. I'd be pretty happy with him too.

Like him a lot.

nate, do me a favor, take a good look at Yaxel Lendeborg. Footage but also his per 40 minute numbers: he's an elite prospect to my way of thinking.

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