Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust

[Dat2U]

Hard to say that I am wrong. Easy to see, though. Vesely looks very uncomfortable and awkward. He's not going to do anything but go back to Europe.

Which, respectfully, is where he should have stayed for the first two years of his career... he had no business being on an NBA roster as a rookie... we could have also sent him down the D league. But, best would have been to let him develop in Europe.

Agree with this. The Wizards should have identified his faults early (then they would have skipped drafting him) and sent him the the D-League with a coaching assistant for most of his first couple of years. At a minimum he would have been more a useful basketball players....perhaps.

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Yeah, can't blame them for not being able to identify his faults considering those faults were well on display when he was drafted.

Question is, how do you draft a 21 yr old professional with years of overseas experience who has ZERO skill level? How is that not a red flag to anyone involved? Who in the world in the front office actually believed the guy was the next Kirilenko and could create mismatches because of length, athleticism and ability to post up smaller players?

Seriously, how does anyone still have a job after a f*ck up like that, especially when they scouted the kid for years and would likely chosen him in 2010 had he came out as expected and had the Wizards not won the lottery?

[mohammed10]

Yeah, can't blame them for not being able to identify his faults considering those faults were well on display when he was drafted.

Question is, how do you draft a 21 yr old professional with years of overseas experience who has ZERO skill level? How is that not a red flag to anyone involved? Who in the world in the front office actually believed the guy was the next Kirilenko and could create mismatches because of length, athleticism and ability to post up smaller players?

Seriously, how does anyone still have a job after a f*ck up like that, especially when they scouted the kid for years and would likely chosen him in 2010 had he came out as expected and had the Wizards not won the lottery?

Did you forget the green font, Dat? Or did you forget which franchise we love?

[Nivek]

Which, respectfully, is where he should have stayed for the first two years of his career... he had no business being on an NBA roster as a rookie... we could have also sent him down the D league. But, best would have been to let him develop in Europe.

Agree with this. The Wizards should have identified his faults early (then they would have skipped drafting him) and sent him the the D-League with a coaching assistant for most of his first couple of years. At a minimum he would have been more a useful basketball players....perhaps.

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Yeah, can't blame them for not being able to identify his faults considering those faults were well on display when he was drafted.

Question is, how do you draft a 21 yr old professional with years of overseas experience who has ZERO skill level? How is that not a red flag to anyone involved? Who in the world in the front office actually believed the guy was the next Kirilenko and could create mismatches because of length, athleticism and ability to post up smaller players?

Seriously, how does anyone still have a job after a f*ck up like that, especially when they scouted the kid for years and would likely chosen him in 2010 had he came out as expected and had the Wizards not won the lottery?

This reminds me of the time last season (while Vesely was on course to be the league's least productive PF) that Leonsis described him as "fundamentally sound."

[mohammed10]

This reminds me of the time last season (while Vesely was on course to be the league's least productive PF) that Leonsis described him as "fundamentally sound."

Ah, his eye for talent is surpassed only by his astute GM...

[closg00]

This reminds me of the time last season (while Vesely was on course to be the league's least productive PF) that Leonsis described him as "fundamentally sound."

Ah, his eye for talent is surpassed only by his astute GM...

You have to believe that Ted just parrots whatever Ernie tells him, he doesn't appear to have learned much about basketball after all of his years as part-owner. Grunfeld is a lock for an extension.

[mohammed10]

You have to believe that Ted just parrots whatever Ernie tells him, he doesn't appear to have learned much about basketball after all of his years as part-owner. Grunfeld is a lock for an extension.

It's been a foregone conclusion to many on this board for a while now. All he had to do was to GM this squad into the playoffs, not make any noise once there.

Sad...

[hands11]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... h-Torn-ACL

JJ-Hickson-Out-For-Season-With-Torn-ACL

Looks like we might see some Vesely against Denver tomorrow.

Coach Brian Shaw said on Saturday that Jan Vesely would get added minutes with J.J. Hickson (knee) out of the lineup.

[hands11]

Ves had a decent little redemption game against Washington.

3 steals in the first half.

I think at least one was a breakaway dunk or a transition dunk
PnR reverse layup that was pretty sweet. Very athletic coordinated play.
A follow up dunk off a loose ball
Got feed to left post on a one step dunk

I saw him take a bunny hook as well that he missed but that a good shot for him to work on.

I watched some nba.com clips. Looks like Lawson has found him a few times. If he get more minutes down the stretch with JJ Hickson out, I think they will work that more.

I think someone is going to sign him. 7-0 athletic 240 23 and can run, steal and dunk. Another offseason of training to get stronger. He still can make it. Denver this year was a good place for him to land.

Should be interesting to see what he becomes by age 25. He should be filled by then and a bit more NBA mature. I think Denver is a good place for him, but they might have a crowed front court with Hickson and Mozgov signed pretty cheap. McGee will be back next year. And they have Gallinari signed.

[TGW]

http://www.complex.com/sports/2014/02/2 ... jan-vesely

Vesely comes in at #9 in the top 25 worst players in the NBA.

That's actually pretty low IMO. He should be top 5.

[closg00]

http://www.complex.com/sports/2014/02/25-worst-players-in-the-nba-right-now/jan-vesely

Vesely comes in at #9 in the top 25 worst players in the NBA.

That's actually pretty low IMO. He should be top 5.

He should have been 6th

[nate33]

http://www.complex.com/sports/2014/02/25-worst-players-in-the-nba-right-now/jan-vesely

Vesely comes in at #9 in the top 25 worst players in the NBA.

That's actually pretty low IMO. He should be top 5.

The list has no credibility whatsoever because it doesn't have Eric Maynor on it.

[TGW]

http://www.complex.com/sports/2014/02/25-worst-players-in-the-nba-right-now/jan-vesely

Vesely comes in at #9 in the top 25 worst players in the NBA.

That's actually pretty low IMO. He should be top 5.

The list has no credibility whatsoever because it doesn't have Eric Maynor on it.

Wow...that's actually an excellent point.

[Ruzious]

For those who really think Vesely is showing something in Denver, he's got the exact same PER he had in Washington, and he's got a 39% eFG - considerably worse than when he was a Zard. He's shooting 38.7% from the field and 30.8% from the line. Vestacular.

[Nivek]

http://www.complex.com/sports/2014/02/25-worst-players-in-the-nba-right-now/jan-vesely

Vesely comes in at #9 in the top 25 worst players in the NBA.

That's actually pretty low IMO. He should be top 5.

The list has no credibility whatsoever because it doesn't have Eric Maynor on it.

Eric Maynor got released. He's technically not an NBA player.

[hands11]

For those who really think Vesely is showing something in Denver, he's got the exact same PER he had in Washington, and he's got a 39% eFG - considerably worse than when he was a Zard. He's shooting 38.7% from the field and 30.8% from the line. Vestacular.

There is a window of opportunity for him there. I wouldn't just look at the numbers. One reason he is less efficient is the type of shots he has taken since getting there. They must have told him just go play. We want to see everything regardless of if it works or not. We want to accumulate some NBA game tape of more then you dunking an alley op or dunking in transition off a steal.

I watched a few games right after he got there and Ves was taking all kinds of different shots. Outside. Drove some. Bunny hooks. I was like, OMG Ves, chill. But it make sense now if that's what they were doing. So I would expect this efficiency to drop as a result of that sampling/experimenting.

But this is the right kind of environment for him right now. Denver isn't making the playoffs so they can experiment with him. I think they are working him in. He can see he and Lawson getting a nice two man game going like CP3 did with Chandler that one year. You saw some of that last night.

Something else I noticed last night that I found interesting was that when he came back in for the 2nd half, they ran two plays to him right off the bat. I think that was pretty smart. That's a good way to get him engaged early instead of him fading into the back ground.

I find the Ves in Denver thing interesting and plan to keep an eye on it to see how things go. I always felt a smart coach could get more production out of Ves then Randy did and I think most agree Randy is a bad HC so that shouldn't be a shocking concept.

[hands11]

http://www.complex.com/sports/2014/02/25-worst-players-in-the-nba-right-now/jan-vesely

Vesely comes in at #9 in the top 25 worst players in the NBA.

That's actually pretty low IMO. He should be top 5.

The list has no credibility whatsoever because it doesn't have Eric Maynor on it.

Eric Maynor got released. He's technically not an NBA player.

Read the comments under the article, not sure who that writer was but he sounds like a newbie youngster. Also, there are lots of young players in there. Would have been more interesting if it was broken out into tiers.

Worst 1-2 year players. Worse 3-5 year players. Worse 5-8 year players.

Bennett and Shabazz is a tier. Players like Ves is another. The MWP and Nash is another. Totally different situations. Had they rated Nikola and T Harris in their first years, it wouldn't look that good.

But Ves clearly deserves to be on some list like that given his NBA production to date.

[dckingsfan]

Fouled out in 17 minutes tonight...

[hands11]

Fouled out in 17 minutes tonight...

He actually played well. He was 3-4 and playing good D. 2-4 from the line. 1 stead, 1 block 3 rebounds

Was getting jobbed on some called. He was shutting down Marc Gasol pretty well 5-17 but Gasol getting the calls. Star treatment.

Last one Gasol hooked his arm and almost pulled him down. So they called Ves for the foul.

Did you see any of the game or you just looking at box scorers ?

[dckingsfan]

Fouled out in 17 minutes tonight...

He actually played well. He was 3-4 and playing good D. 2-4 from the line. 1 stead, 1 block 3 rebounds

Was getting jobbed on some called. He was shutting down Marc Gasol pretty well 5-17 but Gasol getting the calls. Star treatment.

Last one Gasol hooked his arm and almost pulled him down. So they called Ves for the foul.

Did you see any of the game or you just looking at box scorers ?

Still watching the game... and no - you wouldn't call it good basketball... I wouldn't call it terrible either... yep, rookie mistake to get hooked up with Gasol.

Still that is like a foul every 3 minutes...

[dckingsfan]

Going to be 3 teams at 44 and 30 - all tied for the final slot in the west.