Official Trade Thread - Part XXVI

[closg00]

The Tap report said that Granger and Ariza were being shopped.

[mohammed10]

The Tap report said that Granger and Ariza were being shopped.

This is Ernie we are talking about...he’s likely to trade TA for an overblown contract, and cripple us cap wise for the next few years

[mohammed10]

Isn't this our biggest fear as Wizard fans, a Grunfeld trade?

closg-

I'm just waiting to be grunfelded, meaning he is gonna do something that takes away any chance at getting KD in 2 years!

[closg00]

Isn't this our biggest fear as Wizard fans, a Grunfeld trade?

closg-

I'm just waiting to be grunfelded, meaning he is gonna do something that takes away any chance at getting KD in 2 years!

Grunfelded, I like that. How-many times have we been Grunfelded? I've lost count.

[Weganator]

NBATalk_Nekias ‏@ESPN_Nekias 7m
To trade Austin Rivers, the Pellies are willing to package D-League G Pierre Jackson with him. The Wizards are interested, per sources.

Oh please let this happen.. this would be awesome...

[jivelikenice]

Wooohooooo. I'd love that deal. I like Austin and think he gets a bum wrap here. I think he can be what we wanted from Jordan. And Pierre on top of that would be sweet...

[AFM]

I don't like Austin at all, but at least he has a pretty decent handle. If we could dump our trash for him, I'd go for it.

[TGW]

Austin rivers is terrible. But I'll take Pierre though.

If Grunfeld pulls it off, I'll back off until the summer.

[AFM]

Imagine Maynor and Rivers going head to head during a practice scrimmage

[Dat2U]

Austin Rivers would fit right in with recent draft busts Seraphin, Vesely & Singleton. In fact he might be the worst out of those four. If you make that trade, you make it solely for Pierre Jackson, Rivers is just dead weight salary at this point. I'd rather play Garrett Temple than Rivers. At least Temple defends.

[payitforward]

What's so wrong about giving up a second round pick for a serviceable backup for Wall like Beno...so JW doesn't completely get worn out by April. It's clear that Temple and Maynor aren't getting it done as backups.

Yes, the signing of Maynor was a mistake...a BIG one as it turns out. But do you now stand pat or do you lick your wounds and move on?

How many times do we have to make the same mistake before you starting thinking about moves like this in a different way, Zards?

The Spurs are in a position to challenge for a title, but they won't be for long. And they are battling injuries to key older players. It makes perfect sense for them to be interested in Udrih. Their time-frame is NOW -- and a very short now at that.

We need every single future-oriented asset we can muster. We need that Round 2 pick, because it helps a little bit to build the future. It is ridiculous to give that away for a mediocre, expiring 31-year old PG who'll give us 15 minutes a game for 30 games and then maybe 12 minutes a game during the 5-6 games it takes us to get bounced out of the playoffs -- and then be gone (probably to the Spurs for next year, costing them only his salary -- no future pick: they have a good GM unlike the Wizards).

PIF, it's not about how I'm thinking as much as it's about how the Zards players, coaches, owner, front office and, I would argue, an overwhelming majority of Zards fans are thinking. Like it or not, the Zards are all in for making the playoffs this year and, hopefully, advancing beyond the first round. That might be short term thinking, but it's the reality on the ground.

While it might be fun to dream up scenarios that include clinging on to a second round pick with the hope of drafting a player who'll contribute in the future or picking up an inexperienced, unproven NBDL player like Pierre Jackson or Tre Kelley, that's not currently in the cards. It's obvious that the Zards want a backup PG that they believe has the experience and smarts to help them secure a third seed and advance in the playoffs...not a whole lot unlike the reason you say the Spurs might be pursuing Beno. The Zards may not be playing for a championship but they are trying to win games (including playoff games) sooner rather than later.

Again, like it or not, short-term thinking is driving the Zards current strategy.

First off, the fact that they do something to reach an asinine present goal and sacrifice the future to do so is *not* an argument in favor of what they do.

Secondly you make my point for me: the Wizards are treating making the playoffs -- one time! and at no matter what cost in the future! -- the way the Spurs treat contending for a championship. No, that's not really an argument in favor of what they do. It's an argument against it: i.e. you asked "what's wrong" with getting Udrih. That's what's wrong with it.

Edit to add: surely you don't think acquiring Beno Udrih is actually going to help them get the 3d seed, do you? That's a delusion -- it's the exact equivalent of thinking that adding Maynor or Harrington was going to make the team better. Bad players don't make you better, they make you worse.

We're likely to wind up in 6th place, and there's a reasonable chance we wind up in 7th place. Nothing Udrih does will change that. In fact, I'd argue that some unknown young guy like Pierre Jackson would have *more* of a chance to help that than Udrih -- because no one will have scouted him, so that he might actually help us win a game or two more than otherwise, which Udrih won't do.

[payitforward]

Austin Rivers would fit right in with recent draft busts Seraphin, Vesely & Singleton. In fact he might be the worst out of those four. If you make that trade, you make it solely for Pierre Jackson, Rivers is just dead weight salary at this point. I'd rather play Garrett Temple than Rivers. At least Temple defends.

Yup, Rivers is just awful. But he only has one more year on his deal, then we could decline his option. Obviously, if Maynor somehow was in the deal it would be a dream come true. Rivers can sit over there and prevent the bench from tipping, and at least we'd have a young player who might actually have a future.

But... you can count on Ernie throwing in a R2 pick, meaning that he gives away what he gains in such a deal.

Keep in mind that even a blind squirrel sometimes gets a nut, so it's still possible -- barely possible -- that Ernie does a deal to our benefit. Don't get me wrong; I'm not counting on it! But he might do it unintentionally; you never know.

[AFM]

Austin Rivers would fit right in with recent draft busts Seraphin, Vesely & Singleton. In fact he might be the worst out of those four. If you make that trade, you make it solely for Pierre Jackson, Rivers is just dead weight salary at this point. I'd rather play Garrett Temple than Rivers. At least Temple defends.

Yup, Rivers is just awful. But he only has one more year on his deal, then we could decline his option. Obviously, if Maynor somehow was in the deal it would be a dream come true. Rivers can sit over there and prevent the bench from tipping, and at least we'd have a young player who might actually have a future.

But... you can count on Ernie throwing in a R2 pick, meaning that he gives away what he gains in such a deal.

Keep in mind that even a blind squirrel sometimes gets a nut, so it's still possible -- barely possible -- that Ernie does a deal to our benefit. Don't get me wrong; I'm not counting on it! But he might do it unintentionally; you never know.

Occasionally EG makes a great trade. Kwame for Caron?
Maynor and Rivers both make a bit over 2M so the salaries work. Throw in Pierre Jackson's rights and I'm in. They can have any Ernie's DNP-CD's they please.

[Upper Decker]

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How can anyone trash Austin Rivers?! Was his option declined? If he doesn't carry any salary next year I'd give Harrington, Maynor, & Singleton for him.

[AFM]

He's a really good streetball/pickup game player and a really bad NBA player

[DCZards]

First off, the fact that they do something to reach an asinine present goal and sacrifice the future to do so is *not* an argument in favor of what they do.

Well, it would take that "crystal ball" you often talk about to really know if trading a second round pick would mean "sacrificing the future." But it doesn't take a crystal ball to see that the most important pieces of the Zards future is Beal and Wall--and not some yet-to-be-determined second round pick. Winning and making the playoffs this year is all about Beal and Wall's development/confidence...and that's why the "present goal" is far more important, imo, than a second round pick.

[popper]

By now the Wiz should have a very good feel for whether or not Ariza wants to resign with them (I get the vibe he doesn't but that's just speculation on my part). I assume they are in communication with his agent on the matter. If they haven't received a positive response and have a high level of confidence that he will resign then he needs to be moved now, even if it diminishes our success in the playoffs.

[TGW]

First off, the fact that they do something to reach an asinine present goal and sacrifice the future to do so is *not* an argument in favor of what they do.

Well, it would take that "crystal ball" you often talk about to really know if trading a second round pick would mean "sacrificing the future." But it doesn't take a crystal ball to see that the most important pieces of the Zards future is Beal and Wall--and not some yet-to-be-determined second round pick. Winning and making the playoffs this year is all about Beal and Wall's development/confidence...and that's why the "present goal" is far more important, imo, than a second round pick.

This is the type of thinking that got a lottery pick traded for Mike Miller and Randy Foye. Back then, it was all about getting vets who could step in immediately and fit in with Arenas, Jamison, and Butler for the "present goal" of getting past the second round. So instead of drafting Steph Curry, Rubio, or whoever was available at the time, we got two guys who ended up leaving the next season.

Now if you really believe trading for Udrih leads to winning, making the playoffs, and giving Wall and Beal confidence, then I see your point. But just understand right now that Udrih sucks. His presence will not add wins to this team's overall record. A second rounder, despite it being value-less to you, has value to a good front office. Bad front offices trade them for dreck all the time, and have nothing to show. I can't name one instance where a second rounder was traded for a player that improved the team he was traded to. However, I can name dozens of second rounders who have came in and became invaluable members of the teams they're currently on.

[Dark Faze]

I like Fredette. If we're going to take the time to bring another guy in then he can't just be there to "run offense", he's got to have the ability to help build on a lead or get back in the game. You want that pesky scoring PG in the likes of Nate Rob and Will Bynum. I think Fredette would help us a lot.

[spaceman_E]

NBATalk_Nekias ‏@ESPN_Nekias 7m
To trade Austin Rivers, the Pellies are willing to package D-League G Pierre Jackson with him. The Wizards are interested, per sources.

Oh please let this happen.. this would be awesome...

I can't wait for Ernie to take this package for Maynor + a 2nd and then waive Pierre