Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII

[dckingsfan]

The problem is, our frontcourt before FA signings is exactly:

PF: Nene, ?, ?
C: ?, ?, ?

We could make the assumption that we are going to get Gooden back. But he can't really play an entire season - same with Nene. So, maybe:

PF: Nene, Gooden, ?

Would you call that a hole at C? I still think we should have traded down for two of the rookie bigs. I think the hole going forward was pretty obvious at the time unless EG thought that Seraphin would magically turn in on. How would you feel about the team if you had two of Dieng, Adams, Olynyk, Plumlee?

[mhd]

With Plc losing, they might finally be willing to trade the Perkins expiring. Nene for perk+thabheet+pj3?

[thricethefun]

The problem is, our frontcourt before FA signings is exactly:

PF: Nene, ?, ?
C: ?, ?, ?

We could make the assumption that we are going to get Gooden back. But he can't really play an entire season - same with Nene. So, maybe:

PF: Nene, Gooden, ?

Would you call that a hole at C? I still think we should have traded down for two of the rookie bigs. I think the hole going forward was pretty obvious at the time unless EG thought that Seraphin would magically turn in on. How would you feel about the team if you had two of Dieng, Adams, Olynyk, Plumlee?

You assume anyone would actually want to trade up in that draft which I highly doubt. There were no clear top prospects therefor no reason for gms to give up assets to trade up.

[verbal8]

My issue on Miller is whether we can trade him prior to June 30 without exercising his option. In reading over Larry Coon's FAQ there is a point that ending contracts and contracts that are subject to an option or ETO that can be exercised ending the contract can't be traded. I'm not wonkish enough on this stuff to know whether this applies in Miller's case. The point being that if the option has to be exercised prior to being able to trade him - then the other team wouldn't be able to simply cut Miller and save the balance of the contract over the $2 million buyout. That would severely limit the trade value of Miller.

Guaranteed salary is irrelevant in terms of contract options, so there are no restrictions in trading him at this point, since he has a year remaining on his contract. I think this clause of the CBA is why you are seeing more contracts with less money guaranteed the final year, because the contract potentially becomes a trade asset.

[mhd]

My latest:

Wiz trades: Nene for Lou Williams (expiring)+Perkins (expiring)
ATL trades: Lou Williams+#15 overall for Jeremy Lamb+#21 overall
OKC trades: #21 overall+Lamb+Perkins for Nene+#15 overall

WHY FOR THE WIZARDS?
1) They want to clear as much cap space as possible, so getting two expirings for Nene is a solid deal with that perspective.
2) Lou Williams gives them a much needed combo guard who can create his own shot.

WHY FOR THE HAWKS?
1) They get a much needed young SG in Lamb, while only dropping 6 slots in the draft.

WHY FOR THE THUNDER?
1) They need to take the next step. Nene gives them a much needed boost as a big who can play alongside either Adams or Ibaka.
2) The 6 slot increase to #15 simply gets them a player likely not available at 21.

[thricethefun]

My latest:

Wiz trades: Nene for Lou Williams (expiring)+Perkins (expiring)
ATL trades: Lou Williams+#15 overall for Jeremy Lamb+#21 overall
OKC trades: #21 overall+Lamb+Perkins for Nene+#15 overall

WHY FOR THE WIZARDS?
1) They want to clear as much cap space as possible, so getting two expirings for Nene is a solid deal with that perspective.
2) Lou Williams gives them a much needed combo guard who can create his own shot.

WHY FOR THE HAWKS?
1) They get a much needed young SG in Lamb, while only dropping 6 slots in the draft.

WHY FOR THE THUNDER?
1) They need to take the next step. Nene gives them a much needed boost as a big who can play alongside either Adams or Ibaka.
2) The 6 slot increase to #15 simply gets them a player likely not available at 21.

I wouldn't take Perkins in a deal for Nene unless it includes Steven Adams.

[hands11]

Block Buster Trade

Melo takes his player option and Knicks trade to Sixers who are looking at a one year rental infusion of Melo swag to fill the stadium.

NY trades him to Philly for Thad Young and 37th. NY gets something for Melo instead of him rotting another year on a losing team while they clear cap. They pick up his replacement plus last pick Sixer probably don't have room to grow this year with MCW, Parker 3rd, Noel coming on board and picking Nik Stauskas 10th plus the 39th ... unless they draft and stash that one.

Felton
Tim Hardway
Thad Young
Stoudemire/Andrea Bargnani
Chandler/Jeremy Tyler

plus 37th where you have names like Walter Tavares C, Cleanthony Early SF/PF, Bogdan Bogdanovic SG, Isaiah Austin C, Vasilije Micic PG, Artem Klimenko C, Thanasis Antetokounmp SF, Patric Young.

They can go after a PG or a Center.


Sixers

MCW
Nik Stauskas
Parker
Melo
Noel

Melo gets his money that he loves. He doesn't have to stick around on that crap NY team and gets to play with some young studs before he is a unrestricted FA the following year. He can then go back to NY if they get their acts together or go wherever he wants since they will have a boat load of cap room. He gets to see if D Rose gets healthy or if LeBron wants to leave and join up in NY.

Sixers keep one of the 2nds to go after that same names in that range to build out more and have ton of pick the following years.

Or Not

[dckingsfan]

The problem is, our frontcourt before FA signings is exactly:

PF: Nene, ?, ?
C: ?, ?, ?

We could make the assumption that we are going to get Gooden back. But he can't really play an entire season - same with Nene. So, maybe:

PF: Nene, Gooden, ?

Would you call that a hole at C? I still think we should have traded down for two of the rookie bigs. I think the hole going forward was pretty obvious at the time unless EG thought that Seraphin would magically turn in on. How would you feel about the team if you had two of Dieng, Adams, Olynyk, Plumlee?

You assume anyone would actually want to trade up in that draft which I highly doubt. There were no clear top prospects therefor no reason for gms to give up assets to trade up.

Extremely good point.

[nate33]

My latest:

Wiz trades: Nene for Lou Williams (expiring)+Perkins (expiring)
ATL trades: Lou Williams+#15 overall for Jeremy Lamb+#21 overall
OKC trades: #21 overall+Lamb+Perkins for Nene+#15 overall

WHY FOR THE WIZARDS?
1) They want to clear as much cap space as possible, so getting two expirings for Nene is a solid deal with that perspective.
2) Lou Williams gives them a much needed combo guard who can create his own shot.

WHY FOR THE HAWKS?
1) They get a much needed young SG in Lamb, while only dropping 6 slots in the draft.

WHY FOR THE THUNDER?
1) They need to take the next step. Nene gives them a much needed boost as a big who can play alongside either Adams or Ibaka.
2) The 6 slot increase to #15 simply gets them a player likely not available at 21.

I wouldn't take Perkins in a deal for Nene unless it includes Steven Adams.

I would.

[bondom34]

My latest:

Wiz trades: Nene for Lou Williams (expiring)+Perkins (expiring)
ATL trades: Lou Williams+#15 overall for Jeremy Lamb+#21 overall
OKC trades: #21 overall+Lamb+Perkins for Nene+#15 overall

WHY FOR THE WIZARDS?
1) They want to clear as much cap space as possible, so getting two expirings for Nene is a solid deal with that perspective.
2) Lou Williams gives them a much needed combo guard who can create his own shot.

WHY FOR THE HAWKS?
1) They get a much needed young SG in Lamb, while only dropping 6 slots in the draft.

WHY FOR THE THUNDER?
1) They need to take the next step. Nene gives them a much needed boost as a big who can play alongside either Adams or Ibaka.
2) The 6 slot increase to #15 simply gets them a player likely not available at 21.

I wouldn't take Perkins in a deal for Nene unless it includes Steven Adams.

I would.

Nate,
Don't know how ATL feels about this deal, but I like it for OKC, and it seemed good on the trade board. Nice one! Plus, koolcrud put it on DailyThunder (truehoop blog that most Thunder fans use), and it got good reception there as well. Really like this deal. But Adams would make it a definite no go.

[verbal8]

I wouldn't take Perkins in a deal for Nene unless it includes Steven Adams.

I would.

Nate,
Don't know how ATL feels about this deal, but I like it for OKC, and it seemed good on the trade board. Nice one! Plus, koolcrud put it on DailyThunder (truehoop blog that most Thunder fans use), and it got good reception there as well. Really like this deal. But Adams would make it a definite no go.

I think for ATL swapping Lou Williams for Lamb is worth moving back 6 spots. There production is close now, but lamb is on his rookie deal for 2 more years.

[bondom34]

I would.

Nate,
Don't know how ATL feels about this deal, but I like it for OKC, and it seemed good on the trade board. Nice one! Plus, koolcrud put it on DailyThunder (truehoop blog that most Thunder fans use), and it got good reception there as well. Really like this deal. But Adams would make it a definite no go.

I think for ATL swapping Lou Williams for Lamb is worth moving back 6 spots. There production is close now, but lamb is on his rookie deal for 2 more years.

Yeah, it seems good. They don't have a ton of posters that were in on the thread on the trade board, so I wasn't sure, but for OKC its great, and if that's the direction Washington wanted to go (getting expirings), it works there too.

[verbal8]

Nate,
Don't know how ATL feels about this deal, but I like it for OKC, and it seemed good on the trade board. Nice one! Plus, koolcrud put it on DailyThunder (truehoop blog that most Thunder fans use), and it got good reception there as well. Really like this deal. But Adams would make it a definite no go.

I think for ATL swapping Lou Williams for Lamb is worth moving back 6 spots. There production is close now, but lamb is on his rookie deal for 2 more years.

Yeah, it seems good. They don't have a ton of posters that were in on the thread on the trade board, so I wasn't sure, but for OKC its great, and if that's the direction Washington wanted to go (getting expirings), it works there too.

Perkins is dead weight, but Lou Williams is a useful player. He definitely can play with Wall and probably could even be paired with Beal.

[hands11]

Nate,
Don't know how ATL feels about this deal, but I like it for OKC, and it seemed good on the trade board. Nice one! Plus, koolcrud put it on DailyThunder (truehoop blog that most Thunder fans use), and it got good reception there as well. Really like this deal. But Adams would make it a definite no go.

I think for ATL swapping Lou Williams for Lamb is worth moving back 6 spots. There production is close now, but lamb is on his rookie deal for 2 more years.

Yeah, it seems good. They don't have a ton of posters that were in on the thread on the trade board, so I wasn't sure, but for OKC its great, and if that's the direction Washington wanted to go (getting expirings), it works there too.

Well of course OKC would do that. Whats not to like for them in the deal.

[nate33]

My latest:

Wiz trades: Nene for Lou Williams (expiring)+Perkins (expiring)
ATL trades: Lou Williams+#15 overall for Jeremy Lamb+#21 overall
OKC trades: #21 overall+Lamb+Perkins for Nene+#15 overall

This trade would work well in conjunction with dumping Martell Webster to New Orleans for Pierre Jackson and a large TPE. Jackson, Williams and Porter would form a half-decent bench at PG, SG and SF. It clears up more cap room in 2015, and that TPE could be used as a trade chip down the road, or maybe we trade it for another veteran on a 2015 contract.

As usual, the goal is to be pretty good next year while maintaining flexibility in 2015.

[stevemcqueen1]

If you trade Nene for Perkins, whose the PF next year? Not crazy about starting Trevor Booker. You've got to make that move in conjunction with another move to bring in a PF.

[hands11]

My latest:

Wiz trades: Nene for Lou Williams (expiring)+Perkins (expiring)
ATL trades: Lou Williams+#15 overall for Jeremy Lamb+#21 overall
OKC trades: #21 overall+Lamb+Perkins for Nene+#15 overall

This trade would work well in conjunction with dumping Martell Webster to New Orleans for Pierre Jackson and a large TPE. Jackson, Williams and Porter would form a half-decent bench at PG, SG and SF. It clears up more cap room in 2015, and that TPE could be used as a trade chip down the road, or maybe we trade it for another veteran on a 2015 contract.

As usual, the goal is to be pretty good next year while maintaining flexibility in 2015.

Anything could happen but my gut says, they aren't interesting in Lou Williams or Pierre Jackson. They just don't seem to fit the mold of the players they have been adding.

[fishercob]

I wonder if OKC uses Perkins' expiring as the necessary cap ballast to go after existing free agents, much the way Golden State landed Iguodala last year.

While Gortat and Ariza could certainly help them, if I was Preti I'd contemplate a serious run at Kyle Lowry. The Lowry/Russ backcourt would be brilliant. They'd still have the MLE to add a backup big and stay under the lux tax (Jordan Hill?).

Lowry in tow would give them a built-in succession plan if they ever contemplated trading Westbrook. Plus, it would allow them to trade Jackson before paying him -- which I think they should do.

[LyricalRico]

Wiz trade Nene+Webster for Ryan Anderson+Marcus Thornton
NO trades: Anderson+Gordon+Rivers for Brook Lopez+Teletovich+Webster
Nets trade: Lopez+Thornton+Teletovich for Nene+Gordon+Rivers

Not sure NO and BKN do this. The Pelicans would have to believe Lopez will be healthy, and I think the Nets like Teletovic. Maybe the Nets do it if you remove the Teletovic for Gordon+Rivers swap, but I still don't know that NOH takes on Lopez.

Heck, they'd probably be more likely to take on Nene IMO.

[fishercob]

OKC is $8M+ under the lux tax

Perk makes $9.4M
Thabeet makes $1.2M unguaranteed

Apart from those 2, they have 9 guys under contract next year.

Fisher, Butler, and Thabo are FA's

They have a $6.5M trade exception from the Kevin Martin S&T deal.

Would they potentially want Nene AND Martell -- the latter of whom fits into that TPE?

WHat picks would they give up for both those guys? Could we get either Jackson or Lamb -- assets who could be used in a larger deal at the deadline?

It would be tight, but I think they could fill out their roster and stay under the $77M tax line.