Official Trade Thread - Part XXX

[deneem4]

Some of you are really undervaluing Wall, most of his talent and value to the team lies in his playmaking and defensive abilities. And he's one of the best floor generals out there who can block shots to boot. He's also gotta be one of the fastest players in the league from end to end on the court. So he doesnt't have a great shot, Beal is supposed to be the go to scoring option

Wall can be a go to option...he jus hasn't been coached too....
He's always told look for and hit the open man on the drive...a lot of times he gives up layups he can make, even dunks...
Kevin love would've never shot 3s here

[milellie111]

I'm actually scared of the Hickson signing. All he has to do is play well for a few games, and he'll get rewarded with a big multi-year contract by Grunfailed.

Scared that a free agent signing might actually succeed here? Sign of a true fan.

[nate33]

Some of you are really undervaluing Wall, most of his talent and value to the team lies in his playmaking and defensive abilities. And he's one of the best floor generals out there who can block shots to boot. He's also gotta be one of the fastest players in the league from end to end on the court. So he doesnt't have a great shot, Beal is supposed to be the go to scoring option

He's not that good of a defender, except in help defense where he's excellent. His on-the-ball defense is pretty bad.

[JAR69]

I'm actually scared of the Hickson signing. All he has to do is play well for a few games, and he'll get rewarded with a big multi-year contract by Grunfailed.

Scared that a free agent signing might actually succeed here? Sign of a true fan.

C'mon Milellie, that's not what he meant. Unlike some folks around here, I don't mind your rose colored glasses. I think it is good to have an optimist despite many years of disappointment. But be fair. TGW is not worried about Hickson playing well, he is worried about a big multi-contract that won't be worth it and will hamper other moves.

[milellie111]

I'm actually scared of the Hickson signing. All he has to do is play well for a few games, and he'll get rewarded with a big multi-year contract by Grunfailed.

Scared that a free agent signing might actually succeed here? Sign of a true fan.

C'mon Milellie, that's not what he meant. Unlike some folks around here, I don't mind your rose colored glasses. I think it is good to have an optimist despite many years of disappointment. But be fair. TGW is not worried about Hickson playing well, he is worried about a big multi-contract that won't be worth it and will hamper other moves.

Only he has no basis for believing this. This hasn't even been a recent pattern of Grunfeld. Did he do this with Ariza? Pierce? No. So what that guy is implying doesn't even make sense.

[nuposse04]

Scared that a free agent signing might actually succeed here? Sign of a true fan.

C'mon Milellie, that's not what he meant. Unlike some folks around here, I don't mind your rose colored glasses. I think it is good to have an optimist despite many years of disappointment. But be fair. TGW is not worried about Hickson playing well, he is worried about a big multi-contract that won't be worth it and will hamper other moves.

Only he has no basis for believing this. This hasn't even been a recent pattern of Grunfeld. Did he do this with Ariza? Pierce? No. So what that guy is implying doesn't even make sense.

Remember Martell Webster? Eric Maynor? EG has still signed some horrible FA multiyear deals in the leonsis era. More importantly is the inability to spot good cheap talent for long term signings.

You are not one to question anyone's sensibilities.

[nuposse04]

Some of you are really undervaluing Wall, most of his talent and value to the team lies in his playmaking and defensive abilities. And he's one of the best floor generals out there who can block shots to boot. He's also gotta be one of the fastest players in the league from end to end on the court. So he doesnt't have a great shot, Beal is supposed to be the go to scoring option

He's not that good of a defender, except in help defense where he's excellent. His on-the-ball defense is pretty bad.

It was pretty decent last season... I'm wondering if his most recent injury is really changing his approach on running on the court and he still has yet to figure out how to adjust on defense. I don't blame him for getting beat by Kyrie, but no reason that Delly should get past him.

[JAR69]

C'mon Milellie, that's not what he meant. Unlike some folks around here, I don't mind your rose colored glasses. I think it is good to have an optimist despite many years of disappointment. But be fair. TGW is not worried about Hickson playing well, he is worried about a big multi-contract that won't be worth it and will hamper other moves.

Only he has no basis for believing this. This hasn't even been a recent pattern of Grunfeld. Did he do this with Ariza? Pierce? No. So what that guy is implying doesn't even make sense.

Remember Martell Webster? Eric Maynor? EG has still signed some horrible FA multiyear deals in the leonsis era. More importantly is the inability to spot good cheap talent for long term signings.

You are not one to question anyone's sensibilities.

I'm not going to get drawn into a debate with you, Milellie. But I note your use of the word "recent" to absolve EG of the Blatche and Etan Thomas contracts.

[TheSecretWeapon]

Only he has no basis for believing this. This hasn't even been a recent pattern of Grunfeld. Did he do this with Ariza? Pierce? No. So what that guy is implying doesn't even make sense.

Remember Martell Webster? Eric Maynor? EG has still signed some horrible FA multiyear deals in the leonsis era. More importantly is the inability to spot good cheap talent for long term signings.

You are not one to question anyone's sensibilities.

I'm not going to get drawn into a debate with you, Milellie. But I note your use of the word "recent" to absolve EG of the Blatche and Etan Thomas contracts.

Also, Grunfeld tried to re-sign Ariza, but failed.

[queridiculo]

Also, Grunfeld tried to re-sign Ariza, but failed.

Not to mention his failed attempt at resigning Pierce.

I also struggle to understand how failing to resign Ariza somehow was a win. If anything it demonstrates a profound lack of awareness about team chemistry and a lack of creativity.

If Grunfeld was so concerned about the length of an Ariza extension, why not simply offer him a contract that pays more for less years?

[montestewart]

Remember Martell Webster? Eric Maynor? EG has still signed some horrible FA multiyear deals in the leonsis era. More importantly is the inability to spot good cheap talent for long term signings.

You are not one to question anyone's sensibilities.

I'm not going to get drawn into a debate with you, Milellie. But I note your use of the word "recent" to absolve EG of the Blatche and Etan Thomas contracts.

Also, Grunfeld tried to re-sign Ariza, but failed.

Didn't Pierce opt out of his Wizards contract in order to sign with what he thought (apparently incorrectly) was a true contender?

Millie generally misrepresents history. That might be blissful or willful ignorance, but is more likely some sort of Trilateralist conspiracy tied into 9-11 and the Kennedy "correction." Soylent Green is People!

[nate33]

Also, Grunfeld tried to re-sign Ariza, but failed.

Not to mention his failed attempt at resigning Pierce.

I also struggle to understand how failing to resign Ariza somehow was a win. If anything it demonstrates a profound lack of awareness about team chemistry and a lack of creativity.

If Grunfeld was so concerned about the length of an Ariza extension, why not simply offer him a contract that pays more for less years?

Resigning Ariza to the same contract he got in Houston would have been fantastic. Though, to be fair, Ariza wanted more money to stay in DC.

[TheSecretWeapon]

I'm not going to get drawn into a debate with you, Milellie. But I note your use of the word "recent" to absolve EG of the Blatche and Etan Thomas contracts.

Also, Grunfeld tried to re-sign Ariza, but failed.

Didn't Pierce opt out of his Wizards contract in order to sign with what he thought (apparently incorrectly) was a true contender?

Millie generally misrepresents history. That might be blissful or willful ignorance, but is more likely some sort of Trilateralist conspiracy tied into 9-11 and the Kennedy "correction." Soylent Green is People!

Yes, Pierce had a two-year contract with the Wizards, with the second year being at his option. He opted out so he could go to the Clippers. Tough to blame him for that: the Clipper are a better team, and Pierce had enjoyed working with Doc Rivers in Boston.

[queridiculo]

Resigning Ariza to the same contract he got in Houston would have been fantastic. Though, to be fair, Ariza wanted more money to stay in DC.

The way I recall it Ariza's departure was basically self inflicted. Washington lowballed him and Ariza ended up taking the same money from Houston instead.

[TheSecretWeapon]

Resigning Ariza to the same contract he got in Houston would have been fantastic. Though, to be fair, Ariza wanted more money to stay in DC.

The way I recall it Ariza's departure was basically self inflicted. Washington lowballed him and Ariza ended up taking the same money from Houston instead.

The Wizards and Rockets were offering identical contracts. Because Texas doesn't have a state income tax, Ariza had a higher take-home by signing with the Rockets. The Wizards thought he'd take their offer anyway, but were wrong.

[deneem4]

What do you guys think of wavin Neal or gooden and brining in bennett....
I still like his POTENTIAL game...
he was ahead of his time being drafted 1st that year...he would've been better coming out top 5 in this year's draft...
He's a big small forward rather than pf...
But In the cavs gm defense, the league is in demand with a player of his POTENTIAL toolset nowadays vs before

I think morris can help him alot...the game becomes easier when u have a similar player to learn it from and practice with...

We only have morris and gortat signed for next season anyway...

[LyricalRico]

Bennett = DONE

Worse than Kwame, who at least was able to have a decent career as a paint defender after flaming out here.

[gambitx777]

Bennett = DONE

Worse than Kwame, who at least was able to have a decent career as a paint defender after flaming out here.

He will go to china or Europe and make a decent living, and someone will give him another shot in about 5 years of inflated international stats.

[deneem4]

I think he jus need to play SF and learn from there vs pf...that's the toughest position in the league...
He also has a SF skill set...once he learn how to use his strength against smaller guys u can move him to pf where's he already know how to use his speed against slower guys

[payitforward]

C'mon Milellie, that's not what he meant. Unlike some folks around here, I don't mind your rose colored glasses. I think it is good to have an optimist despite many years of disappointment. But be fair. TGW is not worried about Hickson playing well, he is worried about a big multi-contract that won't be worth it and will hamper other moves.

Only he has no basis for believing this. This hasn't even been a recent pattern of Grunfeld. Did he do this with Ariza? Pierce? No. So what that guy is implying doesn't even make sense.

Remember Martell Webster? Eric Maynor? EG has still signed some horrible FA multiyear deals in the leonsis era. More importantly is the inability to spot good cheap talent for long term signings.

You are not one to question anyone's sensibilities.

So... Milellie -- this kind of thing is why you get accused of being a troll. You created an issue for the sake of creating an argument. Obviously, TGW (or anybody) has the space to be worried that we might sign a guy if he played really well. Obviously, as well (and you yourself have admitted this several times), we've made a pretty high number of player evaluation errors. So, it's not off the wall to express the concern.

Nor did TGW *predict* that Ernie would sign Hickson; he just worried about it.

You don't want to be called a troll -- I understand. Just learn from this little textbook example, ok?