Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII

[SizzlinSimms]

Would never happen but one could hope! Throw in the first! Though keeping Porter would be very unlikely after that.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=z8hbc2j

[deneem4]

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Would never happen but one could hope! Throw in the first! Though keeping Porter would be very unlikely after that.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=z8hbc2j

That's a championship team fxxk the tax...give porter what he wants if we win the ship or even make it to the finals...Ted is going to pay up and Porter will take a short...
We don't want to go through the okc stingy process

[SizzlinSimms]

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Would never happen but one could hope! Throw in the first! Though keeping Porter would be very unlikely after that.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=z8hbc2j

That's a championship team fxxk the tax...give porter what he wants if we win the ship or even make it to the finals...Ted is going to pay up and Porter will take a short...
We don't want to go through the okc stingy process

Yeah but Phoenix would never agree to that.

[NatP4]

The BF comments are complete cancer. They actually want to trade Oubre for some role player. Lou Williams for Kelly Oubre lol.

I actually saw someone refer to a 3rd guard lineup of wall Beal lou as a "death lineup" to close games.

People were talking about Otto struggling on defense(???)

Someone said Lou Williams was the difference between wall and Beal breaking down and beating KD in the finals LOL.

And the comment that really pisses me off: Otto should thank John for getting him paid.

My god

[Dat2U]

I'm still on the Lou Will bandwagon. I've seen folks online trash the suggestion only to follow up with ideas for DJ Augustin, Ramon Sessions & Brandon Knight... all significantly inferior players. I don't quite understand it but I've learned to expect a wide variance of opinions among the fan base. I've seen suggestions for Will Barton with folks noting he's younger & a better defender. I guess... Barton is still a short term acquisition though. We are not going to be able to keep him beyond his contract so age shouldn't be an issue in this case. He also plays much better as a 3 instead of a 2 & he's a poor defender in his own right. I don't love the fit. Lou is the much better player IMO.

I've staunchly been on the dump Nicholson contract in any trade scenario. I'm now opening up to the idea of Jason Smith who is honestly regulated to 3rd center status with Mahinmi. Watching him the last few games reminded me he cannot play PF. I said as much last summer but backed off after seeing bits and pieces of decent play alongside Gortat. But he simply cannot stay with PFs. I am also thinking trading Smith makes it easier to deal for a quality player. Smith is playable. Nicholson is not.

[Dat2U]

I'm also wondering if a Tomas Satoransky & Jason Smith for Lou Williams deal would work, if instead of a 1st we include a 2nd round pick? That way the Lakers get two playable players and we keep our 1st rounder. Lou should eat up most of the backup guard minutes anyways.

[NatP4]

I'm also wondering if a Tomas Satoransky & Jason Smith for Lou Williams deal would work, if instead of a 1st we include a 2nd round pick? That way the Lakers get two playable players and we keep our 1st rounder. Lou should eat up most of the backup guard minutes anyways.

The worst possible scenario at the deadline, would be to end up with a bench backcourt of Burke and Lou Williams, the combo would almost be a downgrade IMO, they wouldn't be able to guard anyone at all. I would feel so bad for Oubre having to play with both of them.

I've made my mind up personally, I want Will Barton, he's a way better defender than Lou Williams, probably somewhere in the Bradley Beal range defensively. He's also an underrated playmaker. He would also ensure that Burke is gone thanks to the salaries matching, and would also get the ball into Satos hands more. Option B should be Tim Hardaway IMO.

One dimensional players just don't help you in the playoffs at all.

Sato Barton could carve up some 2nd units IMO. I see this fanbase wayyyyyy too quick to give up on Satoransky. Dude is top 10 in DRPM and he's playing out of position offensively.

But I will say, a Sato Lou backcourt is a big upgrade from what we have, I just prefer Barton.

[J-Ves]

I'm also wondering if a Tomas Satoransky & Jason Smith for Lou Williams deal would work, if instead of a 1st we include a 2nd round pick? That way the Lakers get two playable players and we keep our 1st rounder. Lou should eat up most of the backup guard minutes anyways.

No, a first is required to get him. They may want Sato as a kick the tires kinda of throw in, but he doesn't have much value and neither does a 2nd in the 50s. Maybe a 2018 first gets it done, but I doubt it.

[Dat2U]

I'm also wondering if a Tomas Satoransky & Jason Smith for Lou Williams deal would work, if instead of a 1st we include a 2nd round pick? That way the Lakers get two playable players and we keep our 1st rounder. Lou should eat up most of the backup guard minutes anyways.

The worst possible scenario at the deadline, would be to end up with a bench backcourt of Burke and Lou Williams, the combo would almost be a downgrade IMO, they wouldn't be able to guard anyone at all. I would feel so bad for Oubre having to play with both of them.

I've made my mind up personally, I want Will Barton, he's a way better defender than Lou Williams, probably somewhere in the Bradley Beal range defensively. He's also an underrated playmaker. He would also ensure that Burke is gone thanks to the salaries matching, and would also get the ball into Satos hands more. Option B should be Tim Hardaway IMO.

One dimensional players just don't help you in the playoffs at all.

Sato Barton could carve up some 2nd units IMO. I see this fanbase wayyyyyy too quick to give up on Satoransky. Dude is top 10 in DRPM and he's playing out of position offensively.

But I will say, a Sato Lou backcourt is a big upgrade from what we have, I just prefer Barton.

Two main points:

1. Barton is not a good defender. Especially as a SG. Offensively he's not even in the same realm as Lou Williams. Barton may be underrated as you state but Lou is just damn good. Lou Will is 2nd among SGs in ORPM at 4.03. Barton is 32nd with a slightly negative ORPM at -0.12. Denver is better offensively and defensively when Barton is OFF the floor. The Lakers are a whopping 9.2 pts better offensively per 100 possessions and actually 1.1 pts better defensively with Williams on the floor. The Lakers are competitive with Lou ON and basically the Brooklyn Nets when he's OFF the court.

What I'm getting at is these two guys are not even comparable. Williams is the better player by a significant margin. Even traditional advanced stats point it out. Williams has a 24.1 PER, .609 TS% on 30.6% USG which is basically elite. His WS/48 is .174. His ORtg is 118. Barton has a 15.8 PER, .551 TS% on 20.6% USG. His WS/48 is .098. His ORtg is 113. Solid numbers but the difference is significant.

2. Sato doesn't have the ball in his hands more because he cannot do anything with it. How many times have you watched him dribble around aimlessly unable to create anything? He's not a threat from the outside. He's not someone you can run an effective P&R with b/c teams just sag into the paint. He can't get to the rim in most cases... he's a nice passer but that only does so much good if your not effective in other aspects. That's why Burke still handles the ball a great deal of the time. If Sato could run the offense effectively rest assured he would be our backup PG. Right now he can't. I'm not giving up on him but if I had the choice b/w a late 1st rounder in this upcoming draft or a 25 yr old role playing guard that can't shoot I'm taking the draft pick.

[queridiculo]

Looking towards the 2017/18 offseason, Brooklyn will have a ton of cap space and I doubt they'll be able to do much with it.

Assuming they end up moving Lopez, would anybody be willing to part with Oubre and a 2018 first to clear that Mahinmi deal, or how about just flipping Mahinmi, Oubre, filler and a 2018 first for the final year of Lopez?

Wizards would have a great Gortat insurance policy, a devastating post option for the second unit and could probably pick a rotation guy or two in a sign and trade following the season.

Losing Oubre would obviously not be ideal but the chances of keeping him beyond his rookie deal are obviously slim.

[queridiculo]

I'm also wondering if a Tomas Satoransky & Jason Smith for Lou Williams deal would work, if instead of a 1st we include a 2nd round pick? That way the Lakers get two playable players and we keep our 1st rounder. Lou should eat up most of the backup guard minutes anyways.

I feel slightly stupid for saying this after having dissed Jason Smith for quite a bit to start the season, but I think I'd really hate to let him go. He's got that bench mob juice and can give a team really productive minutes in spurts, I don't see anybody else on the roster we can get this kind of energy from.

I'd rather just add a first along with Satoransky to get that Nicholson deal off the books.

[queridiculo]

Would never happen but one could hope! Throw in the first! Though keeping Porter would be very unlikely after that.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=z8hbc2j

The Suns make this deal why exactly? Remorse for having fleeced Grunfeld on quite a few occasions?

[queridiculo]

Don't think you can get a better back up PG than Beal can be. Beal is 100 times better than Lou can be in his dreams defensively.

Imo the POs rotation should more or less be :

Wall 40min / Beal 8min
Beal 32min / X 16min
Otto / Oubre
Morris / Smith
Gortat / Mahinmi

If you look at instrumental role players in recent contenders : Ray Allen, Mike Miller, Boris Diaw... Even looking back in time the ultimate bench player on a contender is Robert Horry, big shot Rob. All can shoot the 3, there's nothing like them on the bench.

Just think there's no better fit than Bogdanovic.

Man, Beal is having an exceptional year but you're on one if you think that there's a universe in which Beal can be a backup point guard.

His handles are weak and if that hasn't been apparent lately it's likely because Brooks chewed his ears off over his bumbling, fumbling and stumbling impression of a ball handler.

Lou Williams would be an amazing addition to this team as long as Grunfeld doesn't give up an arm and a leg to add him.

He can play off the ball with Wall, he can play alongside Beal as a facilitator and the Wizards could even roll with a small lineup featuring Wall, Williams, Beal, Porter and Mahinmi/Gortat.

The idea should be to relieve pressure/minutes from Beal and Wall, a scenario where both of them play 40 minutes plus is pure lunacy.

[Dat2U]

Would never happen but one could hope! Throw in the first! Though keeping Porter would be very unlikely after that.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=z8hbc2j

The Suns make this deal why exactly? Remorse for having fleeced Grunfeld on quite a few occasions?

Hmm. Would (2) 1st rd picks, Sato, Smith & Nicholson be enough for Bledsoe? He's signed for 2 more yrs @ $29 mil beyond this season. We get at least 3 playoff runs with a top 8 core of Wall, Beal, Porter, Morris, Gortat, Bledsoe, Oubre & Mahinmi.

[mhd]

I'm also wondering if a Tomas Satoransky & Jason Smith for Lou Williams deal would work, if instead of a 1st we include a 2nd round pick? That way the Lakers get two playable players and we keep our 1st rounder. Lou should eat up most of the backup guard minutes anyways.

I think Lou gets a 1st rounder. He's on a good contract, will be a boon as a scoring guard, and the Lakers don't HAVE to trade him. Its different than Ibaka who was going to leave.

[mhd]

Would never happen but one could hope! Throw in the first! Though keeping Porter would be very unlikely after that.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=z8hbc2j

The Suns make this deal why exactly? Remorse for having fleeced Grunfeld on quite a few occasions?

Hmm. Would (2) 1st rd picks, Sato, Smith & Nicholson be enough for Bledsoe? He's signed for 2 more yrs @ $29 mil beyond this season. We get at least 3 playoff runs with a top 8 core of Wall, Beal, Porter, Morris, Gortat, Bledsoe, Oubre & Mahinmi.

I think Denver would offer more than we could for example. They need a PG desperately (even if Jokic is a Point-Center). They could trade Gallo+2017 1st for Bledsoe for example (and Phoenix then takes either Fultz or Ball in the draft assuming they land a top 2 pick).

[nate33]

Looking towards the 2017/18 offseason, Brooklyn will have a ton of cap space and I doubt they'll be able to do much with it.

Assuming they end up moving Lopez, would anybody be willing to part with Oubre and a 2018 first to clear that Mahinmi deal, or how about just flipping Mahinmi, Oubre, filler and a 2018 first for the final year of Lopez?

Wizards would have a great Gortat insurance policy, a devastating post option for the second unit and could probably pick a rotation guy or two in a sign and trade following the season.

Losing Oubre would obviously not be ideal but the chances of keeping him beyond his rookie deal are obviously slim.

I don't like this deal at all. With the exception of backup PG, our rotation is rock solid. Our entire starting lineup consists of two-way players, as do backups Oubre and Mahinmi. Your trade would leave the cupboard bare at forward, leave us with no pick in 2018, and the upgrade from Mahinmi to Lopez for 14 minutes a night isn't much of an upgrade anyhow. It is merely changing defense for offense.

Focus people! All we need is a capable backup PG - somebody like Ramon Sessions of the last 2 years (but not this year). The rest of the 8-man rotation is fine. We lack quality depth at the end of the bench, but we're going to have to address that with the draft because of our cap restraints.

[nate33]

Would never happen but one could hope! Throw in the first! Though keeping Porter would be very unlikely after that.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=z8hbc2j

The Suns make this deal why exactly? Remorse for having fleeced Grunfeld on quite a few occasions?

Hmm. Would (2) 1st rd picks, Sato, Smith & Nicholson be enough for Bledsoe? He's signed for 2 more yrs @ $29 mil beyond this season. We get at least 3 playoff runs with a top 8 core of Wall, Beal, Porter, Morris, Gortat, Bledsoe, Oubre & Mahinmi.

That team would form the closest thing to the 86 Pistons we've seen in a long time: an 8-deep roster of starting-quality players (assuming Oubre emerges from his funk) with a 3-guard rotation rivaling that of Thomas, Dumars and Johnson.

Beal could probably steal 4-6 minutes at SF to make sure Bledsoe gets 30 minutes a night.

[Meliorus]

I'm also wondering if a Tomas Satoransky & Jason Smith for Lou Williams deal would work, if instead of a 1st we include a 2nd round pick? That way the Lakers get two playable players and we keep our 1st rounder. Lou should eat up most of the backup guard minutes anyways.

The worst possible scenario at the deadline, would be to end up with a bench backcourt of Burke and Lou Williams, the combo would almost be a downgrade IMO, they wouldn't be able to guard anyone at all. I would feel so bad for Oubre having to play with both of them.

I've made my mind up personally, I want Will Barton, he's a way better defender than Lou Williams, probably somewhere in the Bradley Beal range defensively. He's also an underrated playmaker. He would also ensure that Burke is gone thanks to the salaries matching, and would also get the ball into Satos hands more. Option B should be Tim Hardaway IMO.

One dimensional players just don't help you in the playoffs at all.

Sato Barton could carve up some 2nd units IMO. I see this fanbase wayyyyyy too quick to give up on Satoransky. Dude is top 10 in DRPM and he's playing out of position offensively.

But I will say, a Sato Lou backcourt is a big upgrade from what we have, I just prefer Barton.

Two main points:

1. Barton is not a good defender. Especially as a SG. Offensively he's not even in the same realm as Lou Williams. Barton may be underrated as you state but Lou is just damn good. Lou Will is 2nd among SGs in ORPM at 4.03. Barton is 32nd with a slightly negative ORPM at -0.12. Denver is better offensively and defensively when Barton is OFF the floor. The Lakers are a whopping 9.2 pts better offensively per 100 possessions and actually 1.1 pts better defensively with Williams on the floor. The Lakers are competitive with Lou ON and basically the Brooklyn Nets when he's OFF the court.

What I'm getting at is these two guys are not even comparable. Williams is the better player by a significant margin. Even traditional advanced stats point it out. Williams has a 24.1 PER, .609 TS% on 30.6% USG which is basically elite. His WS/48 is .174. His ORtg is 118. Barton has a 15.8 PER, .551 TS% on 20.6% USG. His WS/48 is .098. His ORtg is 113. Solid numbers but the difference is significant.

2. Sato doesn't have the ball in his hands more because he cannot do anything with it. How many times have you watched him dribble around aimlessly unable to create anything? He's not a threat from the outside. He's not someone you can run an effective P&R with b/c teams just sag into the paint. He can't get to the rim in most cases... he's a nice passer but that only does so much good if your not effective in other aspects. That's why Burke still handles the ball a great deal of the time. If Sato could run the offense effectively rest assured he would be our backup PG. Right now he can't. I'm not giving up on him but if I had the choice b/w a late 1st rounder in this upcoming draft or a 25 yr old role playing guard that can't shoot I'm taking the draft pick.

Sato has made less and less mistakes but he's still a chronic overdribbler. Even opposing team/national TV announcers call him out on it.

[NatP4]

The Suns make this deal why exactly? Remorse for having fleeced Grunfeld on quite a few occasions?

Hmm. Would (2) 1st rd picks, Sato, Smith & Nicholson be enough for Bledsoe? He's signed for 2 more yrs @ $29 mil beyond this season. We get at least 3 playoff runs with a top 8 core of Wall, Beal, Porter, Morris, Gortat, Bledsoe, Oubre & Mahinmi.

That team would form the closest thing to the 86 Pistons we've seen in a long time: an 8-deep roster of starting-quality players (assuming Oubre emerges from his funk) with a 3-guard rotation rivaling that of Thomas, Dumars and Johnson.

Beal could probably steal 4-6 minutes at SF to make sure Bledsoe gets 30 minutes a night.

We have a roster of 8 starting caliber players right now, no?