The Washington Redskins Thread

[Ruzious]

I’m coming around to the idea of trading down. If we could get Miami’s 5, 17 and 2nd rounder, we could come away with Simmons, Ruggs and a TE. That would be a pretty good haul.

Been thinking about that more myself since the reports that Tua's hip perhaps looks better than folks originally thought it would. If Tua is close enough to being healthy that at least a couple teams put him back atop their wish list, and Cincy stays at #1 to take Burrow, we're suddenly in a much better bargaining position IMO.

Yeah, we might get an even bigger haul than long suffrin suggested - if a team is trading up for Tua. There's even a small chance that someone trades up to #1 for Tua.

[gambitx777]

If Detroit trade Stafford before the draft you have to think you can leach a lot out of Miami. 5,17,26 and a second next year maybe.

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[LyricalRico]

If Detroit trade Stafford before the draft you have to think you can leach a lot out of Miami. 5,17,26 and a second next year maybe.

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Unless they trade him to Miami. Of course that's unlikely, so what are the possible landing spots for Stafford?

Chargers - Need to replace Rivers, but might be okay with Tyrod Taylor
Broncos - Seem to prefer vets over developing young QBs
Patriots - Wouldn't be a Bellicheck-ian move but an interesting thought

Those are all the teams I can think of, and one of them will no doubt be a landing spot for Cam Newton. So, unless I'm missing something, pickings appear to be slim for a Stafford deal.

But even if Detroit doesn't trade Stafford, Miami could still see them as a threat to take Tua and sit him for a year. He gets the chance to get fully healthy while the Lions hope an opportunity to move Stafford presents itself, even if it takes until next offseason. If the Dolphins see that as a legit possibility, we could still be in a position to get a huge haul.

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[popper]

Miami doesn’t believe the skins will select Tua so no need to trade up. We need to force their hand. Tua is completely healthy and Miami and their fans covet him. Miami fans would not forgive the front office if they pass on him. There is immense pressure to make sure they get their man. Skins should select Tua and trade him for Miami’s 5th and 18th in the first round and 7th in the second round (assuming we can’t get all three of their first round picks). We take Okudah at 5, Becton at 18 and Shenault with the second round pick. We fill gaping holes at CB, LT and WR.

Edit - wow, just read that he fractured his wrist twice, previously undisclosed as far as I know. If that’s true and if it’s his left wrist then that changes everything.

[Ruzious]

Miami doesn’t believe the skins will select Tua so no need to trade up. We need to force their hand. Tua is completely healthy and Miami and their fans covet him. Miami fans would not forgive the front office if they pass on him. There is immense pressure to make sure they get their man. Skins should select Tua and trade him for Miami’s 5th and 18th in the first round and 7th in the second round (assuming we can’t get all three of their first round picks). We take Okudah at 5, Becton at 18 and Shenault with the second round pick. We fill gaping holes at CB, LT and WR.

Edit - wow, just read that he fractured his wrist twice, previously undisclosed as far as I know. If that’s true and if it’s his left wrist then that changes everything.

He's probably going to have big problems with arthritis - but that might not happen until 10 years down the line or so.

I think what the Skins need - if they're going to get a big haul for the pick is for another team to show interest in trading up for Tua - either at 2, 3, or 4. Otherwise - like you say - Miami doesn't need to trade up to 2 to get him. I think it's possible, because Detroit seems to be looking to trade from 3 - and that could create a wild card confusion situation.

[popper]

Since we’re only favored in two games next season does that make us odds on favorites to have a shot at Trevor Lawrence?

[Wizardspride]

Since we’re only favored in two games next season does that make us odds on favorites to have a shot at Trevor Lawrence?

I don't believe we're going to be bad enough to land the number one overall pick.

The defense alone will keep us from being that bad imo.

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That’s the best news I’ve heard all day. If he keeps that up, and if Rivera can help him with the maturity issues, we got ourselves a quarterback.

[Wizardspride]

And THIS is why you select Chase Young.

You don't pass up generational talents for quantity.

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[gambitx777]

You keep young unless you trade back!

And THIS is why you select Chase Young.

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[Ruzious]

You keep young unless you trade back!

And THIS is why you select Chase Young.

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Thing is - he's not the only elite talent in this draft. If they can get an extra 1st and 2 2nds to move down to 5, I do it - if Miami lets us wait to see if Simmons is there at 5. We need to get Haskins a legit left tackle of the future.

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Thing is - he's not the only elite talent in this draft. If they can get an extra 1st and 2 2nds to move down to 5, I do it - if Miami lets us wait to see if Simmons is there at 5. We need to get Haskins a legit left tackle of the future.

The thing is Chase isn't just an elite talent.

He's the consensus best player in the draft and a "generational" talent


Also, I agree we need LT of the future.

Not sure we have to get one in this draft.

I wouldn't be surprised if one of the tackles we've signed holds the fort down for a year.



What we REALLY need is a 2nd rd pick or another 3rd.

[Ruzious]

You keep young unless you trade back!


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Thing is - he's not the only elite talent in this draft. If they can get an extra 1st and 2 2nds to move down to 5, I do it - if Miami lets us wait to see if Simmons is there at 5. We need to get Haskins a legit left tackle of the future.

The thing is Chase isn't just an elite talent.

He's the consensus best player in the draft and a "generational" talent


Also, I agree we need LT of the future.

Not sure we have to get one in this draft.

I wouldn't be surprised if one of the tackles we've signed holds the fort down for a year.



What we REALLY need is a 2nd rd pick or another 3rd.

Every year, there's a supposed generational DE. We're still waiting for Clowney to prove it, and it's telling that nobody's particularly enthusiastic about signing him. People said the exact same things about him when he was the 1st pick in 2014. Again, there's never been a draft like this for LT's, and I think Simmons is even a more unique talent than Young. People ignore that Simmons is also a good pass-rusher - as well as a guy who can cover. People don't seem to realize that that ability is special - It allows all kinds of flexibility. The last LBer with that kind of versatility and talent combo was HOFer Brian Urlacher. If we don't get the LT of the future in this draft - it seems like a big waste - considering how many are available this year. Next year, we might determine we do need a QB, and we probably will have other needs - we need to fill TE, probably 2 LBers, probably at least 2 DB's, Moses might need to be replaced at RT, etc. We need more high picks.

Also, look at our personnel. The front 4 is the strength of the team using the 43. Sweat, Allen, Kerrigan, and Orchard are the DE's; Payne, Ioannidis, Settle, and Brantley are the DT's. If you pick Young, Allen likely goes to tackle, and Ioannidis (our only Pro Bowler) becomes a backup. The Skins were only 8 sacks behind the NFL leading team. I get that Young is a great talent, but I don't get how their best option to improve the team is him - unless there isn't much demand for the 2nd pick.

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Yeah probably. Or... he's a great bluffer.

[popper]

With reports that Detroit is entertaining multiple offers for the third pick, I’m beginning to think maybe Herbert is the target and not Tua. I don’t know, just speculating.